The Republic! (A Warhammer City State Quest)
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[X] Bloody Uprising!
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[X] Bloody Uprising!
i hope you're all fully aware this is going to end in blood and flames and i'm not talking about the starting choice still despite that this will be intresting to follow
i hope you're all fully aware this is going to end in blood and flames and i'm not talking about the starting choice still despite that this will be intresting to follow
Spreading democracy to the Empire/Bretonnia/Kislev is about the last thing we want to do as it would destabilize the bulwalk that the Empire/Bretonnia/Kislev represent to the so called more 'civilized' nations of the south.
And good luck trying to spread it to Ind or Cathay. Or any other factions for that matter.
Edit: 'Montfort Rebellion'? Would just result in Montfort, the only province in Bretonnia that takes taking care of peasants relatively seriously and far better than other provinces, go full Parravon.
And good luck trying to spread it to Ind or Cathay. Or any other factions for that matter.
Edit: 'Montfort Rebellion'? Would just result in Montfort, the only province in Bretonnia that takes taking care of peasants relatively seriously and far better than other provinces, go full Parravon.
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For that matter Ulthuan is in those victory conditions. Considering their standard of living, culture and propensity to look down on humans the idea that we could cause some kind of revolution there is hilarious.
I have to admit, i find the idea of causing Dark Elves (sadistic, monstrous, bloodthirsty, arrogant, slaveholding douchebags all of them) to go full democratic even more hilarious.
We are just lucky that we don't have "Karaz Ankor" in our list of victory conditions. Because that would never, ever, ever happen.
For Nagoroth a (doomed) slave revolt should do the trick.
Especially since they've got honest to god divine blessing going for the Pheonix Kings and the Everqueen is up to the gills in divine magic and makes flowers bloom simply by her presence. Oh, and can tell Chaos influence near her to fuck off, able to go lol-nope to mutations, make mutant corrupted horse that was used by a Chaos warrior turn back into a pure horse with but a glance, enough to be able to play tug of war over the soul of a Chaos Champion of Slaanesh with Chaos. And banish lesser daemons simply by her presence and make it hard for stronger daemons to maintain themselves.
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I don't think that counts as a revolution. A real, french style revolution needs to come from the city dwelling middle class. If slave revolts counted we'd probably win the game without doing anything, because there are always slave revolts, even in Naggaroth. Especially in Naggaroth. And every other slave keeping country.
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You would dare deny the downtrodden masses of Kislev the glorious Freedom that is their birthright?
Are you a traitor to the Revolution?
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Most certainly.
But in all seriousness. imo a revolution would be good in atleast Tilea and Estalia, Bretonnia is a probably, Empire is murky because there is a good chance that fractures like in the age of the three Emperors, and Kislev would almost certainly break up into two countries.
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Most certainly.
But in all seriousness. imo a revolution would be good in atleast Tilea and Estalia, Bretonnia is a probably, Empire is murky because I see a good chance of it fracturing ala age of the three Emperors, and Kislev would almost certainly break up into two countries.
Not Bretonia since it would kill the Lady and she is a major force of Order.
We are not really playing a superpower here.
I just try to roleplay Liberty prime.:lolLet spread idea to slave for now and build some force to bring democracy if stituation call for.
Most certainly.
But in all seriousness. imo a revolution would be good in atleast Tilea and Estalia, Bretonnia is a probably, Empire is murky because there is a good chance that fractures like in the age of the three Emperors, and Kislev would almost certainly break up into two countries.
If you go into it with that attitude we may as well give up and fall back under the rule of the Pirate Lords. Don't believe the propaganda of the upper castes about how they are the only ones holding things together! They are only trying to justify their excesses and hold onto their blood-soaked prizes.
Think about it! With democracy and guns we can make things better for everyone in the Empire! The people can truly unite under a single republican state instead of the factionalised mess it is now! Drive out the Beastmen and Greenskins once and for all!
Love of Freedom and Hatred for the Tsarina and her craven Boyars will unite the people of the Kislevite tribes and bring them together in glorious Democracy!
The solemn ideals of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity can conquer even the forces of Chaos!
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OOC:I think we need to role play as people in government to gain some dice.
Don't believe the lied of noble,so much for their glory,they still fill their army with commoner,if they can said noble hold the nation together then so commoner in equal measure or more than that.
Why freedom is greatest to fight for?because we can discuss among our group as equal to take the best choice that laid before us.To find something that worth figthing for,don't break and don't bow down,either for tyranny or Chaos God.
Chaos God want to enslave people in exchange for favor,they made people in to their servitude.They against principal of democracy and freedom,one man one choice .
Don't believe the lied of noble,so much for their glory,they still fill their army with commoner,if they can said noble hold the nation together then so commoner in equal measure or more than that.
Why freedom is greatest to fight for?because we can discuss among our group as equal to take the best choice that laid before us.To find something that worth figthing for,don't break and don't bow down,either for tyranny or Chaos God.
Chaos God want to enslave people in exchange for favor,they made people in to their servitude.They against principal of democracy and freedom,one man one choice .
Role-play moderate: and yet there must be some order and rules followed other than the momentary will of the majority otherwise we will fall to anarchy. Democracy is more than the tyranny of the majority.
To respect the opinion of miniority or in other word the opnion of common man,minority is not worthless and need to be consider in equal measure.
No the common man is most often the majority. Minorities are things like say wizards (whether potential or trained) who are often lynched without a second thought by the "common man". We must accept the fact that the level of education among those we represent is quite low and that they are still very vulnerable to mob mentality. As such we will sometimes have to take unpopular decisions, which is to say decisions in direct opposition to popular will.
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wow... that was a pretty one-sided vote!
Also, I like the ways you guys behave so far, your idealism is a credit to the Cause...
Btw, Democracy is not the only thing that you will be spreading. Radical ideas like other alternate governments and social reforms will be included.
Lastly, there will be a rumor/news section. Whether said rumor is true or not, depends on how far that place is to Sartosa.
@GhostKing 666 thank you for pointing that out! I didn't pick any other Tilean City-State due to their current government styles which would make a popular revolt almost impossible...
Remas = Triumvirate
Luccini = Oligarchy
Trantio = a true principality currently
Pavona = Oligarchy
Verazzo = a true republic until the merchant families took over the elections.
Miragliano = currently a warzone
Tobaro = a true principality
Monte Castello = dictatorship?
Spaarta = dictatorship?
Lambrusco = undead/vampire court?
Organza = theocracy?
and as to Marienburg, the Directorate does not welcome popular representatives into their ranks, particularly de Kuypers.
edit: also will post the timeline and update later, but Karl Franz is an old man at this time.
Also, I like the ways you guys behave so far, your idealism is a credit to the Cause...
Btw, Democracy is not the only thing that you will be spreading. Radical ideas like other alternate governments and social reforms will be included.
Lastly, there will be a rumor/news section. Whether said rumor is true or not, depends on how far that place is to Sartosa.
@GhostKing 666 thank you for pointing that out! I didn't pick any other Tilean City-State due to their current government styles which would make a popular revolt almost impossible...
Remas = Triumvirate
Luccini = Oligarchy
Trantio = a true principality currently
Pavona = Oligarchy
Verazzo = a true republic until the merchant families took over the elections.
Miragliano = currently a warzone
Tobaro = a true principality
Monte Castello = dictatorship?
Spaarta = dictatorship?
Lambrusco = undead/vampire court?
Organza = theocracy?
and as to Marienburg, the Directorate does not welcome popular representatives into their ranks, particularly de Kuypers.
edit: also will post the timeline and update later, but Karl Franz is an old man at this time.
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Democracy can only flourish in the society that value rational thinking and act in the rational way,to counter that the procedure need to counter the rash decision of majority but that maybe have down side in emergency stituation,
We should create charter of "Dictator" that some capable man can temporary take control of military but donly during the time of crisis but can not retain position afterward or pass through his position on his blood line.