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The Quest for Middle Earth (LotR Quest)

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[X] Knowledge of Runes and lore

[X] Your father, Forren, is a reasonably respected, yet unimportant Dwarf of the Blacklocks clan. He's traveled to nearby Avari and Variag settlements nearby to trade with them. He knows how to fight and craft, as well as has knowledge of lore, though is only notable in one of these areas.

[X] Great treasures and artifacts like the great weapons of the elven lords, and the hordes of the Dragons
 
[X] Knowledge of Runes and lore
[X] Your father, Forren, is a reasonably respected, yet unimportant Dwarf of the Blacklocks clan. He's traveled to nearby Avari and Variag settlements nearby to trade with them. He knows how to fight and craft, as well as has knowledge of lore, though is only notable in one of these areas.
[X] Great treasures and artifacts like the great weapons of the elven lords, and the hordes of the Dragons
 
[X] Knowledge of Runes and lore

[X] Your father, Forren, is a reasonably respected, yet unimportant Dwarf of the Blacklocks clan. He's traveled to nearby Avari and Variag settlements nearby to trade with them. He knows how to fight and craft, as well as has knowledge of lore, though is only notable in one of these areas.

[X] Great treasures and artifacts like the great weapons of the elven lords, and the hordes of the Dragons
 
[X] Knowledge of Runes and lore

[X] Your father, Forren, is a reasonably respected, yet unimportant Dwarf of the Blacklocks clan. He's traveled to nearby Avari and Variag settlements nearby to trade with them. He knows how to fight and craft, as well as has knowledge of lore, though is only notable in one of these areas.

[X] Great treasures and artifacts like the great weapons of the elven lords, and the hordes of the Dragons
 
Yeah. Consensus achieved.

[X] Knowledge of Runes and lore
[X] Your father, Forren, is a reasonably respected, yet unimportant Dwarf of the Blacklocks clan. He's traveled to nearby Avari and Variag settlements nearby to trade with them. He knows how to fight and craft, as well as has knowledge of lore, though is only notable in one of these areas.
[X] Great treasures and artifacts like the great weapons of the elven lords, and the hordes of the Dragons

There were only two other votes, and those were for our interest only.
 
[x] Knowledge of Runes and lore
[X] Your father, Forren, is a reasonably respected, yet unimportant Dwarf of the Blacklocks clan. He's traveled to nearby Avari and Variag settlements nearby to trade with them. He knows how to fight and craft, as well as has knowledge of lore, though is only notable in one of these areas.
[x] Magic, doesn't matter what form it takes or where it comes from
Edit: Missed the voting widow thats is what I get for trying to vote and write my own update at the same time.:p
 
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I've been doing some research on LotR magic to see how this is going to play out. Magic there is too broad a term for what is a series of effects that, while all supernatural, do not all intermesh nicely. As I see it, a lot of the magic is done using either Rule Magic, where Eru says it works so it does, or it uses The Will and the Word kind of magic, where you apply force of will behind a word or rune and make it work thusly. When it says that Sauron poured himself into the One Ring, it would be meaning that his will was himself and he placed so much of it in there that he himself was left diminished.

If you have counter thoughts on how magic should work, I'd like to hear them.

The lore aspect is actually a lot easier. There will be General Lore and Racial Lore, general lore will cover in universe knowledge that any scholar should know, racial lore will cover things that the Dwarves have secreted away or find important. So the knowledge of how to get into Moria would be something included in Dwarven Lore, but not in General Lore.
 
yinko said:
I've been doing some research on LotR magic to see how this is going to play out. Magic there is too broad a term for what is a series of effects that, while all supernatural, do not all intermesh nicely. As I see it, a lot of the magic is done using either Rule Magic, where Eru says it works so it does, or it uses The Will and the Word kind of magic, where you apply force of will behind a word or rune and make it work thusly. When it says that Sauron poured himself into the One Ring, it would be meaning that his will was himself and he placed so much of it in there that he himself was left diminished.

If you have counter thoughts on how magic should work, I'd like to hear them.

The lore aspect is actually a lot easier. There will be General Lore and Racial Lore, general lore will cover in universe knowledge that any scholar should know, racial lore will cover things that the Dwarves have secreted away or find important. So the knowledge of how to get into Moria would be something included in Dwarven Lore, but not in General Lore.
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Generaly magic in LOTR is used for enchanting rather than direct efects thats my only knowlege on the subject
 
yinko said:
I've been doing some research on LotR magic to see how this is going to play out. Magic there is too broad a term for what is a series of effects that, while all supernatural, do not all intermesh nicely. As I see it, a lot of the magic is done using either Rule Magic, where Eru says it works so it does, or it uses The Will and the Word kind of magic, where you apply force of will behind a word or rune and make it work thusly. When it says that Sauron poured himself into the One Ring, it would be meaning that his will was himself and he placed so much of it in there that he himself was left diminished.

If you have counter thoughts on how magic should work, I'd like to hear them.

The lore aspect is actually a lot easier. There will be General Lore and Racial Lore, general lore will cover in universe knowledge that any scholar should know, racial lore will cover things that the Dwarves have secreted away or find important. So the knowledge of how to get into Moria would be something included in Dwarven Lore, but not in General Lore.
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After all the recent ASOIAF quests, I prefer us to have as little magic as possible. Stuff like minimal Rune magic (since its one magic type Dwarves use), but not anything flashy. A wizard dwarve is just silly. Keep it to the actual wizards.
 
Cjdavis103 said:
Generaly magic in LOTR is used for enchanting rather than direct efects thats my only knowlege on the subject
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Yonatan said:
After all the recent ASOIAF quests, I prefer us to have as little magic as possible. Stuff like minimal Rune magic (since its one magic type Dwarves use), but not anything flashy. A wizard dwarve is just silly. Keep it to the actual wizards.
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Ok. Artifacts are magic, but words aren't. Even the Wizards couldn't pull off much raw magic, and they're minor gods. A sharp edge will do more damage than a spell.
 
yinko said:
Ok. Artifacts are magic, but words aren't. Even the Wizards couldn't pull off much raw magic, and they're minor gods. A sharp edge will do more damage than a spell.
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This is why Gandalf always carried a sword with him when he was going into danger.
 
yinko said:
Ok. Artifacts are magic, but words aren't. Even the Wizards couldn't pull off much raw magic, and they're minor gods. A sharp edge will do more damage than a spell.
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I thought that the Wizards weren't allowed to use their full power because of some kind of Maiar/Valar non interference policy? Of course, Gandalf did carry around two of the most powerful remaining magical artifacts in the setting (Ancient sword from Gondolin and one of the Elven Rings), so that might have had an impact on the magic he had to use.
 
yinko said:
Sort of. They are confined to the bodies of Men, with everything that implies (except for dying of age). As such they are limited in power to what their bodies can handle. This was so that a second Sauron couldn't happen.
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They also had to PAY for any power they used and while it is never stated how they payed it is implied that it is VERY unpleasant.
 
yinko said:
Sort of. They are confined to the bodies of Men, with everything that implies (except for dying of age). As such they are limited in power to what their bodies can handle. This was so that a second Sauron couldn't happen.
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Was Sauron not also buffed up on the power of Melkor/Morgoth? Something to increase his power over that of the other Maiar, anyways.
 
Evilness42 said:
Was Sauron not also buffed up on the power of Melkor/Morgoth? Something to increase his power over that of the other Maiar, anyways.
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Actually he is for weaker than melkor. As for being stronger than the other maiar it's more he's unrestricted by the rules and he has the one ring (had) which is supposedly one of the most potent magical artifacts ever
 
Cjdavis103 said:
Actually he is for weaker than melkor. As for being stronger than the other maiar it's more he's unrestricted by the rules and he has the one ring (had) which is supposedly one of the most potent magical artifacts ever
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Oh, there's no question that he's far weaker than Melkor/Morgoth. From what I know, Melkor/Morgoth gave Sauron a small portion of power to make him better than the other Maiar.
 
Cjdavis103 said:
Really? I always thought that he got the extra power from the ring.
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From what I remember of the Silmarillion, he got some power from Melkor/Morgoth when he worked for the guy. He made his ring-phylactery later in a bid to mind-control all of the potential enemy leaders, but the Elves caught on to his plan and escaped, and the Dwarvern rings malfunctioned. I suppose he did get power from it, but most of his power was stored in it.
 
Evilness42 said:
From what I remember of the Silmarillion, he got some power from Melkor/Morgoth when he worked for the guy. He made his ring-phylactery later in a bid to mind-control all of the potential enemy leaders, but the Elves caught on to his plan and escaped, and the Dwarvern rings malfunctioned. I suppose he did get power from it, but most of his power was stored in it.
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quick question since you seem to be knowlegeable. Why didint the dwarves help in the war of the ring?
 
Cjdavis103 said:
quick question since you seem to be knowlegeable. Why didint the dwarves help in the war of the ring?
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I didn't actually know this one off hand, but after a quick research check:
At the time of the War of The Ring, the Lonely Mountain and the city of Dale were outnumbered and under siege by the men of Rhun, while the other dwarvern fortresses were (probably, I'm not actually sure) too far away to contribute much. That sort of thing was essentially skipped over in the movies, but it was talked about in the books at the Council of Elrond.

Edit: And also there was Gimli. The entire purpose of him being at there was as part of a delegation of messengers sent to warn the Council.
 
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Evilness42 said:
I didn't actually know this one off hand, but after a quick research check:
At the time of the War of The Ring, the Lonely Mountain and the city of Dale were outnumbered and under siege by the men of Rhun, while the other dwarvern fortresses were (probably, I'm not actually sure) too far away to contribute much. That sort of thing was essentially skipped over in the movies, but it was talked about in the books at the Council of Elrond.

Edit: And also there was Gimli. The entire purpose of him being at there was as part of a delegation of messengers sent to warn the Council.
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Rhun.... Ruin

Tolken was not exactly subtle was he
 
[X] Knowledge of Runes and lore

[x] Your mother, Genl, has rarely been beyond the halls of the clan, yet her position as a She-Dwarf means that she is skilled at keeping things livable in even the worst conditions, and the fact that female Dwarves are kept secret from outsiders means that she is better than most in the arts of concealment and deceit.

[X] Great treasures and artifacts like the great weapons of the elven lords, and the hordes of the Dragons

-I want to backstab a dragon...

edit: nevermind...
 
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