Right but we KNOW Kakashi knows Tenzo, and we have a reason for why Kakashi would want someone he can trust at the hospital. Gai doesn't factor into the situation much. Even with the Garaa going after lee thing you have to remember who all was there when it happened. IIRC Naruto and Sakura we're both at the hospital visiting people. And although Gai did interrupt Gaara's attempt, it's still far more likely that Kakashi called in a favor from his old ambu buddy than Gai. What Gai might have done is ask Kakashi if he could get someone to watch the hospital, but honestly I think he might have trusted that Kakashi would have done so anyways.

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Not a bad idea, but it is heavily chakra infused sand remember. It probably plays by different rules.
That's rue. But, at its basis, it's still sand.
He loves warm human blood. Anything from a slaughterhouse... might work. But honestly I can't see Tenten going through with that I think. It seems a bit... extreme.
It's an extreme situation, and... How would he differentiate between human and non-human blood? Sight, smell, viscosity all should be similar.
We've been over this Yog, we Spirit-Killing Charms just let us damage it, actually getting the damage dealt is all on us. We cannot handle Shukaku in any capacity. Nor do we have a reason to even try to prepare to do such. And Whirling Brush Method + Seals is still a better way to handle it both IC and OoC when we do have a reason.
I want damage that sticks. Yes, damage itself is likely to be done via explosive tags (lots of them), but the main idea is to have damage that sticks. Also, spirit damaging charms should be helpful (OOC) against Edo zombies, whose toughness is regeneration based.
 
It's an extreme situation, and... How would he differentiate between human and non-human blood? Sight, smell, viscosity all should be similar.

Chakra, probably. Everyone's is unique, you can probably tell humans from animals, and it even neatly explains Gaara looking to kill strong people to validate his existence. Stronger people tends to mean stronger chakra.
 
Gai is part of Anbu. You would not believe how quite and serious he is when on the job!

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I want damage that sticks. Yes, damage itself is likely to be done via explosive tags (lots of them), but the main idea is to have damage that sticks. Also, spirit damaging charms should be helpful (OOC) against Edo zombies, whose toughness is regeneration based.
Actually, we'd want Aggravated damage for that. It should at least slow down their regen if not stop it completely. Spirit-Killing Charms would only make them stay dead once we kill them. So, again, you're looking at it wrong. Also, Spirit-Killing is primarily for incorporeal existences, like ghosts. Or chakra constructs/beings here.
 
A Perfect Attack would actually be really useful against Gaara. It's unlikely we'll manage to grab one before the match, though; we'd probably want a Thrown Mirror to Accuracy Without Distance, and that'd put it a Charm deep in it's tree at minimum (so not precisely cheap XP wise for the time-frame we've got).
Gaara's defenses...honestly Perfect attacks are marginal. Less skilled ninjas can hit him through the sand parry, we could onslaught through. He's much more of a soak monster than anything else.
Can we get an charms to help ignore sock or cover? I think that is what Gara's sand is.
Nearly any of the Melee tree damage boosters can do it the classic way.

Or surprise to get a strong opening strike.
Like I said, explosive notes.
Tenten: "I can stop anytime i want!"

Are we talking his Armour or Shield? Because the Shield seems more like a Parry to me.
Not a very strong parry based on what we see, but probably able to block SOME unblockable attacks. Those that need magic to parry
 
Gaara's defenses...honestly Perfect attacks are marginal. Less skilled ninjas can hit him through the sand parry, we could onslaught through. He's much more of a soak monster than anything else.
To a point, but it's worth noting that by default he doesn't start out using his Sand Armour; it takes up too much chakra. Whether or not that'll apply against us depends on how he judges our threat level, but it's at least possible he won't start off with it- and either way, making him use it is a good way to wear down his chakra levels.
Not a very strong parry based on what we see, but probably able to block SOME unblockable attacks. Those that need magic to parry
I'd dispute that; it's effectively impenetrable to a normal Genin and probably most Chunin, and it also has the advantage that he doesn't need to concentrate to use it- it protects him automatically, which to me makes it sound like it's fully applicable against Surprise Attacks, ignores at least some penalties for his actions, etc. It's probably also at least somewhat onslaught resistant, too; he has enough sand to completely enclose himself and it all moves independently, so hammering through his defences just by chucking lots of attacks at him doesn't seem like it'd be too effective.
 
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Gai is part of Anbu. You would not believe how quite and serious he is when on the job!

Fandom!
Gai doesn't really like ANBU. He understands the need for them obviously, but he finds it unsavory and he doesn't like what the job does to people. (See: The time he ended up with Kakashi and Itachi on an ANBU mission, which is what convinced him to lobby the Hokage to pull Kakashi out of ANBU)
 
To a point, but it's worth noting that by default he doesn't start out using his Sand Armour; it takes up too much chakra. Whether or not that'll apply against us depends on how he judges our threat level, but it's at least possible he won't start off with it- and either way, making him use it is a good way to wear down his chakra levels.
It seems his soak/hardness depends on how much power he invests into it. An alpha strike should work wonders to do a lot of damage before he ramps it up.

Think of it as a variable commitment armor, the more he invests the less he can spare to do other stuff, but the tankier he is. Jinchuuriki doesn't usually care a lot about chakra costs over time, but chakra tied up in armor is chakra he can't use on other stuff.

I'd dispute that; it's effectively impenetrable to a normal Genin and probably most Chunin, and it also has the advantage that he doesn't need to concentrate to use it- it protects him automatically, which to me makes it sound like it's fully applicable against Surprise Attacks, ignores at least some penalties for his actions, etc. It's probably also at least somewhat onslaught resistant, too; he has enough sand to completely enclose himself and it all moves independently, so hammering through his defences just by chucking lots of attacks at him doesn't seem like it'd be too effective.
You're effectively conflating his individual limited powersets into a single super power that works on everything man.

Sand armor - Soak/Hardness based. Protects against attacks he's not aware of as long as it's active, but he doesn't invest a great deal into it by default, since the thicker the sand the less he's able to see and act. When fully invested, it grants enough soak for him to ignore any attack less damaging than Chidori or other similarly hard hitting techniques.

Sand awareness - Shukaku or his mother's spirit effectively gives him the benefit of some Awareness charms. He DOES need to be aware of an attack, but his awareness is more wide spanning than his eyes appear. Treat him as a sensor for the effective benefits.

Sand parry - Directed sand swats aside attacks. Basically grants him the ability to block some normally unblockable attacks(e.g. Katons or other elemental ninjutsu). This is the weakest element, Genin have demonstrably gotten through fairly regularly, even though they just bounce off his soak afterwards.

Simplest way to visualize it:
-Gaara is using the equivalent of Viridian Legend Exoskeleton + Mind Hand Manipulation.
 
Sand armor - Soak/Hardness based. Protects against attacks he's not aware of as long as it's active, but he doesn't invest a great deal into it by default, since the thicker the sand the less he's able to see and act. When fully invested, it grants enough soak for him to ignore any attack less damaging than Chidori or other similarly hard hitting techniques.
Seeing that Tenten prefers a lot of weaker attacks to a single strong one maybe we could just ping him to death? Can we deal Overwhelming style damage?
 
Seeing that Tenten prefers a lot of weaker attacks to a single strong one maybe we could just ping him to death? Can we deal Overwhelming style damage?
I don't think ping damage works through Hardness? And that is what his armor is, I already asked this.

Which is why I keep bringing up the explosive notes. Get enough of/a few of them and we can blow past his Hardness and Soaking.
 
I don't think ping damage works through Hardness? And that is what his armor is, I already asked this.

Which is why I keep bringing up the explosive notes. Get enough of/a few of them and we can blow past his Hardness and Soaking.
As Tenten withdrew a brush and paper from her pouch. The rest of team 9 paled as one. Even Lee felt a shiver as his dreams had him recall a certain incident with bandits.

With shadows covering her face from her perch on one of the walls of the stadium, only two glittering points and a too wide smile could be seen from Tenten as her hand became a blur of motion. Making absurd quantities of seals.

That day Gai seriously considered evacuating the whole stadium.

And Temari for the first time in her life truly doubted if her brother´s sand was strong enough while putting some earplugs on.
 
Seeing that Tenten prefers a lot of weaker attacks to a single strong one maybe we could just ping him to death? Can we deal Overwhelming style damage?
As others had said, Hardness completely negates that. You want one big alpha strike to disrupt the armor before he builds it up, then a large number of highly accurate, moderately damaging attacks(we're unlikely to learn a Chidori equivalent in the remaining time). Like oh...
As Tenten withdrew a brush and paper from her pouch. The rest of team 9 paled as one. Even Lee felt a shiver as his dreams had him recall a certain incident with bandits.

With shadows covering her face from her perch on one of the walls of the stadium, only two glittering points and a too wide smile could be seen from Tenten as her hand became a blur of motion. Making absurd quantities of seals.

That day Gai seriously considered evacuating the whole stadium.

And Temari for the first time in her life truly doubted if her brother´s sand was strong enough while putting some earplugs on.
Tenten does not have a problem!

Though more seriously, the classic application of explosive tags work poorly on sand armor, which is very nearly the best way to stop explosive tags since they have to be spaced out a certain amount....without stunts.

I reckon we can get one hit in before he tightens his defenses, then stunt an overpressure attack( equidistant explosive tags taking advantage of his heavier armor reducing mobility to crush him from all directions at once) to crack the armor, then either Melee charms or the Thrown crippling attacks while hes open....going to need to switch it around a lot, since you can't repeat stunts.
 
Tenten does not have a problem!

Though more seriously, the classic application of explosive tags work poorly on sand armor, which is very nearly the best way to stop explosive tags since they have to be spaced out a certain amount....without stunts.

I reckon we can get one hit in before he tightens his defenses, then stunt an overpressure attack( equidistant explosive tags taking advantage of his heavier armor reducing mobility to crush him from all directions at once) to crack the armor, then either Melee charms or the Thrown crippling attacks while hes open....going to need to switch it around a lot, since you can't repeat stunts.
If we use Whirling Brush to put the seal on the Kunai itself we could probably turn it into a nasty shrapnel bomb. His Host status means it probably won't kill him outright, but he won't be walking it off either.

Of course, whether or not we fight him at all depends on us beating Shikamaru and Kakashi not having been waiting to make a dramatic entrance and only having been a little late instead of hours late.
 
If we use Whirling Brush to put the seal on the Kunai itself we could probably turn it into a nasty shrapnel bomb. His Host status means it probably won't kill him outright, but he won't be walking it off either.
Probably. I was referring to sand being basically ideal defensively against concussive weapons like explosives. Very few things better than a bunch of sandbags between you and an explosive device for dissipating the force.

We'd have some trouble doing it though. The kunai trick works like any AP explosive ammo, it has to penetrate first, or the detonation happens outside the armor. And of course we can't try it ahead of time since unless you KNOW for a fact your target is a regenerator, that's an attack with intent to kill or maim.
 
With our awareness and thrown we could maybe develop a technique where we use our kunai to hit pressure points along the chakra network to disrupt the flow energy into their abilities. Tenten is extremely accurate and precise. Maybe we could steal Neji's trick and use it with thrown rather than punches? Could that penetrate something like Gaara's sand armor?
 
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It seems his soak/hardness depends on how much power he invests into it. An alpha strike should work wonders to do a lot of damage before he ramps it up.

Think of it as a variable commitment armor, the more he invests the less he can spare to do other stuff, but the tankier he is. Jinchuuriki doesn't usually care a lot about chakra costs over time, but chakra tied up in armor is chakra he can't use on other stuff.
Plus as it absorbs damage it flakes off and needs replacing, taking even more chakra.
You're effectively conflating his individual limited powersets into a single super power that works on everything man.

Sand armor - Soak/Hardness based. Protects against attacks he's not aware of as long as it's active, but he doesn't invest a great deal into it by default, since the thicker the sand the less he's able to see and act. When fully invested, it grants enough soak for him to ignore any attack less damaging than Chidori or other similarly hard hitting techniques.

Sand awareness - Shukaku or his mother's spirit effectively gives him the benefit of some Awareness charms. He DOES need to be aware of an attack, but his awareness is more wide spanning than his eyes appear. Treat him as a sensor for the effective benefits.

Sand parry - Directed sand swats aside attacks. Basically grants him the ability to block some normally unblockable attacks(e.g. Katons or other elemental ninjutsu). This is the weakest element, Genin have demonstrably gotten through fairly regularly, even though they just bounce off his soak afterwards.

Simplest way to visualize it:
-Gaara is using the equivalent of Viridian Legend Exoskeleton + Mind Hand Manipulation.
I was talking purely about his shield (parry) here, and honestly I don't think I was really overstating it. It definitely does respond to surprise attacks, as shown against Yashamaru- Gaara had no idea his attack was coming, but the sand still protected him from the assassination attempt (see chapter 130). Onslaught doesn't work well against it, as demonstrated by Lee's complete inability to break through just with repeated melee attacks at his weight speed, and it can cover a very wide area at once, as shown against the Rain guy's needles in the exams. It's also pretty damn good as a defense, as shown again by Lee; with his weights on he wiped the floor with Sasuke (at that point a decently strong Genin) but was completely unable to breach the shield. And lastly, it acts without needing his concentration or effort, so things like being injured or moving or making attacks with non-defense sand shouldn't reduce it's ability to defend him. To summarise: it's not a perfect defense (or a Perfect Defense, hah!), but it is a pretty damn good one.
 
It seems that explosive notes will not be very effective against Gara. Unless we can make some much higher yeild ones. And in that case we might as well work on a charm.
 
Probably. I was referring to sand being basically ideal defensively against concussive weapons like explosives. Very few things better than a bunch of sandbags between you and an explosive device for dissipating the force.

We'd have some trouble doing it though. The kunai trick works like any AP explosive ammo, it has to penetrate first, or the detonation happens outside the armor. And of course we can't try it ahead of time since unless you KNOW for a fact your target is a regenerator, that's an attack with intent to kill or maim.
Actually, probably not. Force dispersion would primarily be from spreading it out over his entire body instead of a small area. We hit most/his entire body at the same time, it's not going to be able to nullify the blastwave. Also, there's no degrees of separation between his body and the sand and the sand is compacted tightly enough that it probably doesn't have much if any air inbetween the grains. So it also can't move and roll around to disperse the force like normal sand would.

There's also the option of Fire Elemental seals hot enough to glass the sand or at least make it too hot for him to hold it close enough for shielding himself with.
 
I want damage that sticks. Yes, damage itself is likely to be done via explosive tags (lots of them), but the main idea is to have damage that sticks. Also, spirit damaging charms should be helpful (OOC) against Edo zombies, whose toughness is regeneration based.
Edo zombies are unlikely to be our responsibility.
Besides, the Dead are labeled creatures of Darkness, which means Holy attacks deal aggravated damage.
And Solars have tons of ways to deal Holy damage.

Gaara's defenses...honestly Perfect attacks are marginal. Less skilled ninjas can hit him through the sand parry, we could onslaught through. He's much more of a soak monster than anything else.
This.
We need to be considering ways to get past the soak as much as the Hardness.

Which is why I'm such a fan of Spirit Weapons + Sun-Sword Concentration; we get the Piercing tag from the chiaroscuro weapon option, then stack another -4 soak from Sun-Sword Concentration's [P]tag, for a total of -8 soak.
To a point, but it's worth noting that by default he doesn't start out using his Sand Armour; it takes up too much chakra. Whether or not that'll apply against us depends on how he judges our threat level, but it's at least possible he won't start off with it- and either way, making him use it is a good way to wear down his chakra levels.
We kicked the everloving shit out of Temari and broke her jaw in front of every other contestant in the exam.
And say what you will, he had a healthy respect for Temari's skill in canon; he hazed her less than Kankuro.

Furthermore, we're Lee's teammate.
I think you underestimate our perceived threat level.
Which would be like Tenten, because she doesn't socialize enough to understand how her performance would have been perceived.

Sand armor - Soak/Hardness based. Protects against attacks he's not aware of as long as it's active, but he doesn't invest a great deal into it by default, since the thicker the sand the less he's able to see and act. When fully invested, it grants enough soak for him to ignore any attack less damaging than Chidori or other similarly hard hitting techniques.
Sun-Sword Concentration: E2, Melee 3,Hungry Tiger Technique.Martial-Ready: Archery, Martial Arts, Thrown. Add Piercing tag. Ignore Hardness.
1m cost.
If it's Hardness, we can obviate it pretty damn quick.
Soak would be harder.

Seeing that Tenten prefers a lot of weaker attacks to a single strong one maybe we could just ping him to death? Can we deal Overwhelming style damage?
Fiery Solar Chakram increases the Overwhelming damage of our Spirit Weapons to 3.
Or you could simply spam Fire and Stones Strike, but that's more mote-expensive.

Though more seriously, the classic application of explosive tags work poorly on sand armor, which is very nearly the best way to stop explosive tags since they have to be spaced out a certain amount....without stunts.
This.
I do wonder if explosive tags would work with Melee damage boosters, but who knows.

I reckon we can get one hit in before he tightens his defenses, then stunt an overpressure attack( equidistant explosive tags taking advantage of his heavier armor reducing mobility to crush him from all directions at once) to crack the armor, then either Melee charms or the Thrown crippling attacks while hes open....going to need to switch it around a lot, since you can't repeat stunts.
Nah.

You open with Joint-Wounding Attack for 2m to apply Crippling effects to his physical pool and DVs; it's Martial-Ready, so it applies to all combat abilities.
Then you use Iron Raptor[2m or 4m] + Hungry Tiger[1m] + Fiery Solar Chakram + Sun-Sword Concentration[1m] on him to deal Overwhelming damage + automatic knockdown that ignores his hardness from ~20 yards away at a cost of 4-6m per hit. Add One Weapon Two Blows[3m] to double that damage.

If his armor remains that much of an issue, you go for a shonen power-up of Molten Sun-Blade[E3,Melee 4, Sun-Sword Concentration. Strips 4 Soak from armor per use for 3m]. I am very much an advocate of saving XP for mid-exam/invasion flexibility for the ability to pick up a charm or two mid-event.

I'm just not how sure what priority we should put on Infinite(Ability)Mastery right now, as opposed to going for the more esoteric charms.
And we should probably look at some of the Athletics mobility charms to enhance our ability to dictate the range of engagement, especially since Gai gives a discount.
 
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I'm just not how sure what priority we should put on Infinite(Ability)Mastery right now, as opposed to going for the more esoteric charms.
And we should probably look at some of the Athletics mobility charms to enhance our ability to dictate the range of engagement, especially since Gai gives a discount.
I(A)M is the most powerful and important combat charm in the entire game, with the possible and contextual exception of Reflex Sidestep Technique.
 
Actually, probably not. Force dispersion would primarily be from spreading it out over his entire body instead of a small area. We hit most/his entire body at the same time, it's not going to be able to nullify the blastwave. Also, there's no degrees of separation between his body and the sand and the sand is compacted tightly enough that it probably doesn't have much if any air inbetween the grains. So it also can't move and roll around to disperse the force like normal sand would.
There's also the option of Fire Elemental seals hot enough to glass the sand or at least make it too hot for him to hold it close enough for shielding himself with.
I would go into how explosions do not work that way, but it's not an argument I want to have.
Lemme just point out:

Deidara had an A-S class explosion kinjutsu, with vastly more potent explosives.
And even he had to get his explosives inside an enclosed sand ball to affect Gaara.
You aren't doing it with tags.

As for Fire Element seals, is there any evidence we can make these?
Let alone hot enough to smelt chakra-infused sand into glass in open air. And not have him simply grind them back into sand.
And that's before you consider that Earth techniques are routinely used to block Fire without issue.

I mean, the closest you can come to beating Gaara with tags is stealing a technique from Dreaming of Sunshine!Shikako and Land of Snow Movie!Sakura.
Scatter tags into his sand, force him to draw all his sand up close for defense, then remote detonate them.

But that relies on us being able to fool him, and I'm not especially assured of that.
And given that it's pretty lethal, I'm not sure it's something Tenten would use in an exam, even on Gaara.
And it requires too much prep for a real battle.
 
As for Fire Element seals, is there any evidence we can make these?
Let alone hot enough to smelt chakra-infused sand into glass in open air. And not have him simply grind them back into sand.
And that's before you consider that Earth techniques are routinely used to block Fire without issue.
Tenten had, in canon, a giant exploding fire dragon sealed into one of her scrolls. So yeah, you can make Fire Element Seals.
 
I(A)M is the most powerful and important combat charm in the entire game, with the possible and contextual exception of Reflex Sidestep Technique.
And that settles that.
Do we need to worry about balance if we buy this, though?
@Crilltic, any words?
Tenten had, in canon, a giant exploding fire dragon sealed into one of her scrolls. So yeah, you can make Fire Element Seals.
Pre- or post-Shippuden?
Because I do not recall this at all.
 
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