The Stormbringer
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The Princess of Blades (Naruto/Exalted)
- Thread starter Crilltic
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We've been over this. Spirit Killing only lets you actually kill them, it adds a [Can permanently damage/kill the unkillable] tag on to your attacks. It does not in anyway make those attacks stronger or more effective, it merely means that when their health is drained all the way, they die and don't come back.
So no, it's really not going to be of any use as it is, because we just can't hit them at all. And if anyone can hold down both them, even when they're sandbagging, I'll eat my hat. Hiruzen might be able to do it, but he also has Orochimaru to deal with.
And while some of the ANBU might be able to fight them without dying like flies, I seriously doubt they would be able to hold them down for a strike we could throw. Especially because, you know, the invasion.
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That's not what Spirit Cutting Attack does. And besides, Tobi's Dimensional Defense thing acts like a perfect defense.
I don't think Exalted's ever had to deal with a mechanic like that before. If you're in Creation, you're in Creation. No half-stepping between it and a pocket dimension or whatever.
OverReactionGuy
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Try not to focus on the zombie hokages, going after them is stupid. Focus on surviving against an army of variable strength sand ninja and sound ninja and possibly Gaara instead. Much better to handle than trying and failing to fight at a level we are years if not decades away from.
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To put it even more blunt. That one single attack is pointless to go for right now. Maybe we should have something like it for the much later on zombie war if that becomes a thing, but right now it's a waste.
I don't think the Narutoverse is in creation plus it's primordial goddess creates dimensions for lols.
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To put it even more blunt. That one single attack is pointless to go for right now. Maybe we should have something like it for the much later on zombie war if that becomes a thing, but right now it's a waste.
I don't think the Narutoverse is in creation plus it's primordial goddess creates dimensions for lols.
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That was my point.
TheLurker
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the fact this exists is either awesome, or a tragedy, and i'm not sure which.
Altria_Pendragon
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So, is there a Flechette copy defense piercing attack in Exalted? More likely than not there's some Sidereal/Chosen of Secrets bullshit involving that, but sticking to Dawn Solars.
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
Ah, sorry. My reading comprehension failed.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Is there a separate term for a perfect dodge? Treating it like that might let us come up with something.
Nope. In Exalted Defense trumps Attack, so in the case of a Perfect Attack clashing with a Perfect Dodge or Defense, the latter always wins.
A point in our favor though is that it only acts like a Perfect Dodge/Defense. The very large point against us though is that, as I pointed out, Exalted never has dealt with something like Tobi's phasing ability. The nature of how Creation works doesn't allow for such a thing, though someone could probably make something like it in the vaguest sense if they tried.
Honestly, we're probably better approaching it from the Naruto angle. *Shrug* They already have Space/Time bullshit and we're a Fuuinjutsu type of character. Hirashin is a Complexity 7 or 8, so if we're not already gunning for Fuuinjutsu 5 + Space-Time Specialty 3 then we're doing something wrong, and at that point we'll be able to make something that should at least let us hit him.
Hell, Minato did it with just the Hirashin.
MooGoesCow21
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Actually that seems like something a Rhaksha would do with their special Mary Sue powers I need to get back my Rhaksha books from my friend so i can look if theirs anything like that
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Honestly the thing I always wondered about with that barrier was why nobody tried to break the building out from under it. Either it is being supported and there's no "bottom" so a collapse brings it down or lets ANBU get in, or it isn't and there is, in which case you blast out under one of the corners and the bit of roof one of the Sound Four is sitting on undergoes whatever happened to that ANBU that tried to jump through it. Given how much they were concentrating and that they bothered to include protection from the inside, they probably have to stay still and focus on maintaining it.
Worrisome, too, because Sarutobi is liable to still try to solo Orochimaru out of sentimentality even knowing about the expanded invasion.
Worrisome, too, because Sarutobi is liable to still try to solo Orochimaru out of sentimentality even knowing about the expanded invasion.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
... Maybe it wouldn't dissipate, and they'd actually just cause a giant, disintegrate-y cube to fall on the person they're trying to save?
I don't know. It's a good point.
There IS actually precedent:
Alchemicals - Precalculated Evasion System - Transphase Engine.
It grants you:
-A perfect dodge against anything that's not undodgeable.
-A perfect dodge against anything that's undodgeabe but NOT capable of harming immaterial creatures.
-A normal dodge against anything that's undodgeable but capable of harming immaterial creatures.
-The ability to noclip through physical obstacles
So I think Spirit Cutting Attack + Bullshittium dicepool, or surprise attacks can hit him when he's doing the noclip thing, but he's STILL an extremely skilled ninja who's not going to be so easy to hit.
Demolishing a building without preset charges is not something done quickly. You could certainly do savage damage to the structure with a Jounin, but Jounin are in short supply during that fight.
Other options are:
1) posion gas. The combatants weren't conserving air or holding their breath. This means that the barrier is gas permeable. Maybe it disintegrates everything complex, but that still leaves simple chemical gases as options
2) In a very ironic twist, sound-based attacks. I am fairly sure the barrier let sound through.
Blazing Solar Bolt should do it quite handily.
On the other hand, the wisdom of actually doing so is quite questionable.
Cracking the barrier means you've just freed two immortal S-class ninja to run amok in the village, at a time when Konoha is kinda short on S-classers.
I mean, who are you sending to Sarutobi's aid?
Like I've pointed out before, Jiraiya's at the walls dealing with boss summons.
Danzo possibly gave Orochimaru covert aid, so you can't exactly rely on him, and both Kakashi and Gai are not yet in the weight class to throw down with even weakened versions of Hashirama and Tobirama.
Make no mistake, that barrier helped Konoha more than it hurt it.
Cracking it without a surefire way to put down the Senju Brothers just gets a lot of other people killed to no purpose.
*checks*
Yes; it explicitly allows you to hit immaterial targets, regardless of their nature, which is what Tobi does. Do remember that Eclipse Caste Exalts and possibly some behemoths could learn the Materialize/Dematerialize spirit charm, so this isn't exactly a unique situation for an Exalt.
Ghost Eating Technique shouldn't work on him though, because he isn't a spirit or undead.
Tobi's technique is basically going immaterial.
Gods, Demons and ghosts all do it; the Alchemicals have a perfect dodge that does the same thing(and can be hit by attacks that hit immaterial targets).
No big deal.
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OverReactionGuy
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Actually it's shunting his body to a pocket dimension. A bit different than what your thinking.
In terms of hard mechanics then you use a sanctum buster instead
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it's a gray area In my opinion, a definitive answer would need deeper knowledge of both settings metaphysics than their creators bothered with. the two effect have enough similarities that methods to counter one might work against the other. The alchemical charm that seems to do exactly the same thing is vulnerable to attacks that can hit ethereal targets, so that does lean towards it being at least feasible.
That's assuming the structure didn't extend all the way to the ground.
Or that demolishing it doesn't run the risk of punting Sarutobi into those lethal walls which they saw kill an ANBU agent.
Immaterial in Exalted means can't touch/be physically touched despite being physically present without the use of magic.
I quote:
Article: Spirits naturally exist in an immaterial state when in Creation.
While immaterial, a spirit can see but cannot interact
with Creation without using Charms or other magic. Also,
immaterial spirits cannot be seen, touched or affected by any
material creatures without the use of Charms or other magics
and enchantments that specifically affect the immaterial. Spirits
can see each other and other immaterial things regardless of
whether or not they are materialized.
Doesn't matter how Tobi achieves it, it's essentially the same damn thing.
Fortunately for Tenten, Exalted charms don't really care about how you do something.
What Tobi does is achievable by an Exalted god/spirit with a sanctum, and the spirit charms Materialize/Dematerialize, Hurry Home and Portal.
It's OP for the Narutoverse, just not for Exalted.
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Nah.
It's an almost 1:1 copy of the mechanics of Dematerialize, only customized so that he spends like zero power on it at the cost of always being visible when in Creation/the Narutoverse. Note how he also can't use the phase power inside his dimension/sanctum, just like spirits can't Dematerialize in a sanctum.
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I don't think we are going to be learning a charm that only works against one opponent that we don't even know exists yet. Funjutsu seems like a better investment.
Edit: or just hit him with one of those trademarked solar lazerbeams. I mean he is visable so light must be hitting him.
Edit: or just hit him with one of those trademarked solar lazerbeams. I mean he is visable so light must be hitting him.
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If it's "shunting to a pocket dimension", then the bolded part doesn't apply. Tobi is physically not where his image is, the image of him is an illusion / projection / shadow.
Respectfully, I disagree strongly:
1) Senju brothers were very far from their peak, due to use of sub-standard sacrifices. In 4th world war, Zetsus were used, and Zetsus are mokuton BS, giving them far better access to their abilities.
2) Without the barrier, Hokage has more option. Lots more.
3) The barrier might be cracked BEFORE edo zombies are summoned
4) I highly doubt there are no sealing specialists in Konoha at the time. In the 4th world war, edos could be dealt with by many many people, after all.
5) Loss of several even jounin level guys while preserving Hokage's life is still a win for Konoha.