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The Practice War [Complete]

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TheEyes said:
I'm going to vote to rescind Kalilah's martyrdom privilege. She doesn't have the right to scatter kindly because in my opinion no one has that right.
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And who are you to say that? Shes a grown ass woman and she knows what she is doing, this will turn the tide off the battle (which we are losing rather handily) and save humanity another ravaging, one we won't recover from.

Let her do her job and save billions in doing so, shes made her choice and shes not going to thank you for disrespecting it.
 
Oh god saving her is going to be a Faustian bargain isn't it? We save her and 6 ships blow up because of the deflected blast or something.
 
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TheEyes said:
I'm of the opinion that this is both less critical than we're making it out to be, and more critical.

On the one hand, letting Kalilah make the sacrifice so that the rest of the unit can survive is a terrible tragedy, yes, but it's nothing that the Dragons and their human partners in FBOS, and then fighter squadrons in SBOS and TBOS haven't been doing, in far greater numbers and for less marginal benefit. I think this is critical to understanding what's going on here: what Amanda seems to be objecting to, on such a fundamental level that we need a two-thirds majority to choose it, is not letting a person sacrifice themselves for the survival of the species, but letting someone she knows personally do it.
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I think it's more than or something other than that.

It's that this sacrifice is premeditated, utterly deliberate and not merely an act of risk-taking, and (importantly) is happening right there where she can stop it. I'm pretty sure that any fighter pilots who risked their lives near her would get the full measure of her protective efforts too, even if she didn't know them. When they die a light-minute or six away from her, by contrast, she can't really help them and so the decision of how and whether to interfere personally isn't cast into such stark relief.

But I don't think Amanda has ever let anyone die if she could help it.
 
Kufufu said:
And who are you to say that? Shes a grown ass woman and she knows what she is doing, this will turn the tide off the battle (which we are losing rather handily) and save humanity another ravaging, one we won't recover from.
Let her do her job and save billions in doing so, shes made her choice and shes not going to thank you for disrespecting it.
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If the sacrifice is unnecessary, then it isn't her job.
And the rest of the 223 are just as entitled to reject her attempt to die for their sake.
 
Kufufu said:
And who are you to say that? Shes a grown ass woman and she knows what she is doing, this will turn the tide off the battle (which we are losing rather handily) and save humanity another ravaging, one we won't recover from.

Let her do her job and save billions in doing so, shes made her choice and shes not going to thank you for disrespecting it.
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But that is just it. are we really losing That Badly?

Honestly, I can't see why Kalilah feels that she has to do this thing at this point, but realistically, sacrificing herself on what is very possibly a long-shot gamble does not feel like a good plan to me. I don't know if i am missing some act or loss of fighting power at some point in the script, but going for a Dresden style Final Strike at this point just does not make Any sense whatsoever. Yes, things are dicey, but humanity has struggled through tough odd's before in the first and second BOS. Going out like this just seems like a waste to me.
 
Why do we not get our +18 martial?
They have a +45 martial bonus so it should apply, with that we win by 1 point.
Just seems kinda skeevy for them to get to apply theirs but we don't.
 
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For me it's going to be simple: Amanda doesn't give up. If that is something she could do, she wouldn't be the person she is, not the Mother of Circles, not the First Speaker, and not the person that is the dictionary entry for 'hope'.
If there weren't any other option at all, perhaps, but the simple fact we can vote means there are options.
 
MTB said:
For me it's going to be simple: Amanda doesn't give up. If that is something she could do, she wouldn't be the person she is, not the Mother of Circles, not the First Speaker, and not the person that is the dictionary entry for 'hope'.
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PREACH IT! This is a point I have really struggled over that MTB raises. Amanda's character profile at this point just doesn't seem to be the type to allow such an act in front of her. Given this and Snowfire's statements in the beginning on how Amanda would react to our (the questors) inputs, up to and including rejecting them, having a simple 2/3rds majority does not seem to be enough to override Amanda's base character.
 
Snowfire said:
[] Save: Dive into the heart of a building storm, through Shiplord weapons and a fire born of a soul of Destruction, to save the one who summons it. Amanda will survive this, and for an action so deeply within her Focus, she has a good chance of saving her friend. But there will be consequences.
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Are we talking metaphysical consequences like Kalilah/Amanda not being a potential anymore or something like 'Dead 223'?
 
Good Question. Given that they are dealing with that "Soulrend", i imagine it would be something involving their powers; don't quote me as gospel though. i am not our illustrious QM after all . . . lol
 
KleverKil'Vanya said:
Why do we not get our +18 martial?
They have a +45 martial bonus so it should apply, with that we win by 1 point.
Just seems kinda skeevy for them to get to apply theirs but we don't.
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Shiplords are cheaters, they're probably just going "This is important so only we get to apply our abilities here" with their godlike powers over reality capable of telling even the Uninvolved to fuck off apparently (Given the whole thing we know about 'Some people became Uninvolved to stop the Shiplords, they all failed' and all)

They're trying to teach a 'lesson' in order to make us more like them (If they wanted to kill us, it would have been a War Fleet, again), hence why one of our people is going for a death or glory sacrifice the moment things are a bit tight, that fits the Shiplord MO to a T, doesn't it? That obsession with throwing lives away for marginal gains.
 
Alectai said:
Shiplords are cheaters, they're probably just going "This is important so only we get to apply our abilities here" with their godlike powers over reality capable of telling even the Uninvolved to fuck off apparently (Given the whole thing we know about 'Some people became Uninvolved to stop the Shiplords, they all failed' and all)

They're trying to teach a 'lesson' in order to make us more like them (If they wanted to kill us, it would have been a War Fleet, again), hence why one of our people is going for a death or glory sacrifice the moment things are a bit tight, that fits the Shiplord MO to a T, doesn't it? That obsession with throwing lives away for marginal gains.
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We rolled Practice w/Bonuses vs Martial w/Bonuses.
 
Kufufu said:
Not in love with the weighted voting but I'm not the QM so I dont get a say in that. :/
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It was this or not getting a vote on the matter at all, I'm afraid. Amanda is...less than happy with me right now, and due to how I write that matters.

tenchifew said:
Hmmm... we have seen the 47 and the 39, but not the 86.
Did the Shiplords force a reroll on us?
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The 87 applied elsewhere, and not somewhere you'd see.

KleverKil'Vanya said:
Why do we not get our +18 martial?
They have a +45 martial bonus so it should apply, with that we win by 1 point.
Just seems kinda skeevy for them to get to apply theirs but we don't.
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Essentially this:
Shard said:
We rolled Practice w/Bonuses vs Martial w/Bonuses.
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Shard said:
Are we talking metaphysical consequences like Kalilah/Amanda not being a potential anymore or something like 'Dead 223'?
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Metaphysical consequences. And they'll skew more towards Kalilah than Amanda.
 
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If you don't mind me asking Snowfire, just what was that Soulrend supposed to be? I know that the Shiplords have that whole biosculpter thing going with their mendicament class logistics ships and all, but the term Soulrend lends a certain higher dimensional feel to the picture. I guess what im saying is, is it just flavour text to represent a move or is it tied to something Shiplordery that humanity has not seen yet?
 
Ah, so, Kalilah surviving, but loosing Practice. And since there's an interaction between mind and soul, something along loosing mental facilities. Ruptured soul > ruptured mind.
 
*insert screaming here*

Might end up with Kalilah ending up in a sort of vegetative state as well. Also, even if Amanda does succeed, the 223 are still surrounded, and the Shiplords could end up killing even more of them.

Though that might happen if Kalilah fails anyway.

I'm hoping Amanda can muster up the focus for another try at Speaking, but that's probably not in the cards right now.
 
Vortex279 said:
If you don't mind me asking Snowfire, just what was that Soulrend supposed to be? I know that the Shiplords have that whole biosculpter thing going with their mendicament class logistics ships and all, but the term Soulrend lends a certain higher dimensional feel to the picture. I guess what im saying is, is it just flavour text to represent a move or is it tied to something Shiplordery that humanity has not seen yet?
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To answer this fully I'd need to go into stuff Amanda doesn't know right now. Pulling from what she does know or can guess, that modifier is the representation of the Shiplord weapons interfering with one's ability to work Practice. It appears to do this mostly through something along the lines of screeching static and destructive interference.

Please note that these are metaphors, though. The reality of things is likely quite different, if related.

I'd like to touch on something that was stated in the bold descriptor text, though. Regardless of what you do, Kalilah's strike is going off. Given where she is and what she's doing, the Shiplord craft housing the weapons they've been using against you are dead. And there's not likely to be much of anything left around them, either.
 
So we are mostly voting on whether Amanda goes with her nature and tries to protect Kalilah, or if we Questors manage (god knows how given her mentality) to convince Amanda to allow Kalilah to go through with her soul destroying Final Strike?
 
Vortex279 said:
So we are mostly voting on whether Amanda goes with her nature and tries to protect Kalilah, or if we Questors manage (god knows how given her mentality) to convince Amanda to allow Kalilah to go through with her soul destroying Final Strike?
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Essentially, yes. There is a reason that Amanda all but tore my arm off whilst I was trying to write this vote.
 
Kalilah

I see fire in the sky
When I close my eyes
And I know I
Would lay down my life
To save it

Mortal is as mortal does
It lives and laughs
It dies and loves
And everything between it does
It does

Pain in my breast
With every breath
You've left it behind
But I face death
With open eyes
This day would come
I felt it

For what's left of love
In a heart half cracked
And shattered
Somewhere in the past
I lay down my life
To save it

-Our World-

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I just want to be clear this piece titled by name because it's a kinda perspective piece for Kalilah emotionally right now.
Given it got a "Damn You" from Snow when I passed him a thing when it was first done... well... I figure it was decent. Also he hit me with the feels train first so all's fair right.
 
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