The Practice War [Complete]
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I think this sentence might have gotten mangled somewhere.
Also, you missed Shape of Miracle. And Look to the Centre?
Finally, practice actions seem to be getting +34 this turn. Why? The bonus up until we finish our personal actions should be 18 (us) + 18 (Varga) - 4.5 (Varga is making a Miracle), so +31 or +32. I don't think those 3 points were critical anywhere, but I am confused.
EDIT: Nevermind on the last point; I forgot the +2 regional bonus.
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On another note, I've looked over my compendium of bonuses and the one on the front page, and they don't quite agree.
In particular, the following aren't listed:
+5 to Skylark Stewardship actions [Return to Red Sand, Year 3]
+5 to Void Secret actions [Tower of Babylon, Year 3]
+5 to Engineering Corps actions [Stairway to Heaven, Year 3]
Were those just applied directly to the actions involved, increasing their proc chance as shown in the action?
Actually, do you also do the same thing for the other bonuses, or are they applied to the roll instead of the DC? Because I'm looking at the +5 to Military construction projects from the VI which we got in turn 4, and I didn't see it help our roll or affect our DC on the The Hilt.
In particular, the following aren't listed:
+5 to Skylark Stewardship actions [Return to Red Sand, Year 3]
+5 to Void Secret actions [Tower of Babylon, Year 3]
+5 to Engineering Corps actions [Stairway to Heaven, Year 3]
Were those just applied directly to the actions involved, increasing their proc chance as shown in the action?
Actually, do you also do the same thing for the other bonuses, or are they applied to the roll instead of the DC? Because I'm looking at the +5 to Military construction projects from the VI which we got in turn 4, and I didn't see it help our roll or affect our DC on the The Hilt.
Upon rereading, here is a last typo:
Yup. One for diplomacy (which is good, cause we do diplomacy well but the options are all pretty meh) and a bunch for learning about Practice (which is decent, albeit somewhat overwealming given how many options on the subject we already have. Hopefully we get something we can use immediately).
Snowfire
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Shape of Miracle is getting folded into the mini-turn as you assigned her there. How she gets used will be up to yourselves. Look the Centre has been added, I forgot to paste it back in in the right place whilst I was moving everything about.
I am pretty sure that most of those have been or where applied as proc chance bonuses. I will steal your compendium and go through it on my break today to make sure. Thank you <3
Many thanks for catching the typos and mangled sentence. I blame 1 am me for thinking that made sense. Euuugh.
Good rolls all around, goddamn. Except for that one slim failure, but hey, we got bonuses for days.
Oof. There is our second action failure this year.
I've updated my compendium to account for stuff that happened this turn.
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As a side note. @Snowfire - if you wouldn't mind indulging my curiosity for a moment, could you tell me what the Construct Prototyping Centre action would have done without the practice trance on the auxiliaries roll? Cause it looks like the latter gave the +10 bonus, but I'm not sure what the former does...
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Earth
- Cities of Light (Earth population moved to Practiced Cities)
- Infrastructure Net + Hi-def Holographic Broadcasting Capacity
- Factories
- Space Elevator
Space
- Mining Stations and Smelters/Refiners/etc
- Orbital Shipyard Complex
- Sensor Platform Network
Mars
- City of Skylark + Colonists
- Red Tower
- limited atmospheric conversion
- Cities of Light (Earth population moved to Practiced Cities)
- Infrastructure Net + Hi-def Holographic Broadcasting Capacity
- Factories
- Space Elevator
Space
- Mining Stations and Smelters/Refiners/etc
- Orbital Shipyard Complex
- Sensor Platform Network
Mars
- City of Skylark + Colonists
- Red Tower
- limited atmospheric conversion
Sizeable amount of Practiced combat gear
Auxiliary Fleet Prototype Run + 2 Task Groups
Tower Class Prototype Run
Dauntless Class Prototype Run
Planetary Shield Network & Ground to Orbit Batteries
-Earth
Auxiliary Fleet Prototype Run + 2 Task Groups
Tower Class Prototype Run
Dauntless Class Prototype Run
Planetary Shield Network & Ground to Orbit Batteries
-Earth
Marshaled the Troops
- SDC
- Potentials
- Experimental/Auxiliary Formations
Practiced Officers trained
Anti-shiplord Tactical guide written
Civilian Network configured to support coordinating the defence of Sol
- SDC
- Potentials
- Experimental/Auxiliary Formations
Practiced Officers trained
Anti-shiplord Tactical guide written
Civilian Network configured to support coordinating the defence of Sol
Published Practice guide for new potentials
Shape of Miracle unlocked + streamlined
New investigation options unlocked
- Origin and mechanics of Practice
- Void Secrets
- Curious Words / Touching the Void
- Potential alien allies
- Whatever A Gift of Blood and Soul unlocks [Note: rename when more info is available]
- Whatever Writing on the Soul unlocks [Note: rename when more info is available]
- Whatever Be Harmonious unlocks [Note: rename when more info is available]
Shape of Miracle unlocked + streamlined
New investigation options unlocked
- Origin and mechanics of Practice
- Void Secrets
- Curious Words / Touching the Void
- Potential alien allies
- Whatever A Gift of Blood and Soul unlocks [Note: rename when more info is available]
- Whatever Writing on the Soul unlocks [Note: rename when more info is available]
- Whatever Be Harmonious unlocks [Note: rename when more info is available]
Investigated our Governemnt
- Administration
- Congress
- Cabinet
Shiplord subnet encountered
- Compromised Congressional Deligates identified
- Compromised Administration personnel identified
- Compromised Cabinet Aide removed
- Compromised entities linked to shiplord subnet
- Subnet access to Earth Infonet identified, traced, and largely curbed
- Administration
- Congress
- Cabinet
Shiplord subnet encountered
- Compromised Congressional Deligates identified
- Compromised Administration personnel identified
- Compromised Cabinet Aide removed
- Compromised entities linked to shiplord subnet
- Subnet access to Earth Infonet identified, traced, and largely curbed
Gave Speeches
- Presidential Address
- Honour in Sacrifice
- The Heart Remembers
Social events with the Government
- Congress
- Bureaucracy
- Administration Holdouts
Reached out to Those of the Circles
Sang for The People
- On Earth
- Across the scattered Habitats
- Presidential Address
- Honour in Sacrifice
- The Heart Remembers
Social events with the Government
- Congress
- Bureaucracy
- Administration Holdouts
Reached out to Those of the Circles
Sang for The People
- On Earth
- Across the scattered Habitats
Project Insight accessed
Ministry of Science expanded
Ministerial VI created
Potential construction force organized and expanded
Shipyard Design Center built
Military Leadership unified
Ministry of Science expanded
Ministerial VI created
Potential construction force organized and expanded
Shipyard Design Center built
Military Leadership unified
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+1 Action Die [Presidential Address, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [The Bureaucracy, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [Those of the Circles, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [The People Sing, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [Full Rebuild, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [Starlit Allegro, Year 2]
+1 Stewardship Action Die [Overwhelming support, Year 4]
+1 Military Action Die [Practiced Leaders, Year 6]
+1 Practice Die [Extend the Department, Year 5]
+5 to orbital construction Stewardship actions [Steel Wombs, Year 1]
+5 to Skylark Stewardship actions [Return to Red Sand, Year 3]
+5 to Void Secret actions [Tower of Babylon, Year 3]
+5 to Engineering Corps actions [Stairway to Heaven, Year 3]
+5 to orbital Intrigue actions [Eyes to See, Year 4]
+5 to military construction actions [Overwhelming support, Year 4]
+5 to Watching The Stars action [Watching the Stars, Year 5] (only applies to single action)
-1 year to Phoning Home action [Swords from Ploughshares, Year 6] (only applies to single action)
+5 to next attempt at the From the Other Side action [From the Other Side, Year 6] (only applies to single action)
+5 to next attempt at the Look to the Centre action [Look to the Centre, Year 6] (only applies to single action)
+1d10 bonus to network Intrigue actions [Watching the Stars, Year 3]
+10 to Design and Prototyping actions [Design Centre, Year 6]
Subnet access to Earth's infonet heavily reduced [Search Function, Year 5]
Shiplord jamming effectiveness severely reduced [Swords from Ploughshares, Year 6]
Unspecified bonus to combat rolls against Shiplords [Visions of the Lost, Year 5]
Unspecified Preparation bonuses applied to Eldest Legacy [The Elder's Wall, Year 6]
+1 Action Die [The Bureaucracy, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [Those of the Circles, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [The People Sing, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [Full Rebuild, Year 1]
+1 Action Die [Starlit Allegro, Year 2]
+1 Stewardship Action Die [Overwhelming support, Year 4]
+1 Military Action Die [Practiced Leaders, Year 6]
+1 Practice Die [Extend the Department, Year 5]
+5 to orbital construction Stewardship actions [Steel Wombs, Year 1]
+5 to Skylark Stewardship actions [Return to Red Sand, Year 3]
+5 to Void Secret actions [Tower of Babylon, Year 3]
+5 to Engineering Corps actions [Stairway to Heaven, Year 3]
+5 to orbital Intrigue actions [Eyes to See, Year 4]
+5 to military construction actions [Overwhelming support, Year 4]
+5 to Watching The Stars action [Watching the Stars, Year 5] (only applies to single action)
-1 year to Phoning Home action [Swords from Ploughshares, Year 6] (only applies to single action)
+5 to next attempt at the From the Other Side action [From the Other Side, Year 6] (only applies to single action)
+5 to next attempt at the Look to the Centre action [Look to the Centre, Year 6] (only applies to single action)
+1d10 bonus to network Intrigue actions [Watching the Stars, Year 3]
+10 to Design and Prototyping actions [Design Centre, Year 6]
Subnet access to Earth's infonet heavily reduced [Search Function, Year 5]
Shiplord jamming effectiveness severely reduced [Swords from Ploughshares, Year 6]
Unspecified bonus to combat rolls against Shiplords [Visions of the Lost, Year 5]
Unspecified Preparation bonuses applied to Eldest Legacy [The Elder's Wall, Year 6]
As a side note. @Snowfire - if you wouldn't mind indulging my curiosity for a moment, could you tell me what the Construct Prototyping Centre action would have done without the practice trance on the auxiliaries roll? Cause it looks like the latter gave the +10 bonus, but I'm not sure what the former does...
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@PrimalShadow Found an error. Practiced Leaders gives +1 Military Action Die, not Stewardship.
Also, does everyone think it's a good idea to put at least 2 Dice and probably a Pratice Die on Small is Beautiful next turn? As it is ending, and the better the result, the better the Secret...
Also, does everyone think it's a good idea to put at least 2 Dice and probably a Pratice Die on Small is Beautiful next turn? As it is ending, and the better the result, the better the Secret...
Fixed. I tend to copy & paste the line I need and then change it. This time I didn't quite nail the second step.
No. We have no reason to believe that the last roll is somehow more important than the previous ones, so I see no reason to prioritize using a second die there. I wouldn't mind the practice die, I suppose.
That said. If you were interested in investing hitting the thing with a Miracle, I would be all for it. Right now, that costs 4.75 on all of our practice rolls on top of an action die, which is a pain - but so far, Miracles have been very worthwhile, and while Trances are less epic, they are still pretty damn badass.
Some thoughts on the latest update.
And this is why we put two practice dice on The Walls of Sol, folks. This could have been rather painful.
And it makes perfect sense here, too.
I guess we are going to be finding out just what was meant by "It isn't a vital project, but could be an important one."
Looks like our diplomancer just pretty-much won the population morale game.
Honestly, between this, completing The Middle Way, the bonus from Suspicious Offices, and the promised Miracle, this is going to be a big deal.
Come to think of it, something like two thirds of all Learning actions we've done just unlocked more actions. Though that makes sense, given that it is Learning. I'm not sure why I expected something different.
More seriously though, I think we should try shifting our priorities on the learning actions from the easier stuff to whatever was unlocked by the longest chain. Since things get more and more difficult as we progress up the tech tree, I feel like we have been trying to grab the low hanging fruit and grabbing the pre-preprequisites for new technologies instead of actual actionable items.
I'm excited to see how it works in practice.
Though the descriptive text for the trait on the front page is missing an "as", @Snowfire.
@Snowfire - What are the rules on these practice rolls? It look like they don't get our practice bonus, but the DC is 0 - is that right, or is there more to it?
Nice. And we've only been sitting on this action since Turn 4, so I don't even have to feel too bad about not having done it sooner.
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And this is why we put two practice dice on The Walls of Sol, folks. This could have been rather painful.
Awesome. I guess our GM saw that Phoning home wasn't getting the love it needed and decided to help out.
And it makes perfect sense here, too.I guess we are going to be finding out just what was meant by "It isn't a vital project, but could be an important one."
Now that is a nifty roll. And looking at the opinion tables below, we've pushed Earth and the Administration to Serene, which is new. And Mars + Space were pushed from Supportive to United, which is probably cap.
Looks like our diplomancer just pretty-much won the population morale game.
I'm surprised that this got folded in without even a roll.
Honestly, between this, completing The Middle Way, the bonus from Suspicious Offices, and the promised Miracle, this is going to be a big deal.
I'm kind of sad that all of our learning only unlocked more actions. I was hoping for stuff rather than new avenues of research.
Come to think of it, something like two thirds of all Learning actions we've done just unlocked more actions. Though that makes sense, given that it is Learning. I'm not sure why I expected something different.
More seriously though, I think we should try shifting our priorities on the learning actions from the easier stuff to whatever was unlocked by the longest chain. Since things get more and more difficult as we progress up the tech tree, I feel like we have been trying to grab the low hanging fruit and grabbing the pre-preprequisites for new technologies instead of actual actionable items.
After three years, we've finally cleared the two personal projects we were working on, and simultaneously unlocked the mystery-box that has been hinted at since literally turn one:
I'm excited to see how it works in practice.
Though the descriptive text for the trait on the front page is missing an "as", @Snowfire.
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Snowfire
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This is exactly how Shipyard Operations work, yes.
Awesome. I guess our GM saw that Phoning home wasn't getting the love it needed and decided to help out.
I guess we are going to be finding out just what was meant by "It isn't a vital project, but could be an important one."
Well, that would require you picking it
Now that is a nifty roll. And looking at the opinion tables below, we've pushed Earth and the Administration to Serene, which is new. And Mars + Space were pushed from Supportive to United, which is probably cap.
Looks like our diplomancer just pretty-much won the population morale game.
Not...quite. Next turn maybe
I have actually rolled for this, but I've been hiding it as it's important for the opening of Shadows of Sorrow. You rolled rather well, however, which is a very good thing. And to be perfectly honest, this is a big deal. You manage to pull this off, and you destroy decades of gathered intelligence. You fail? Then that courier launches. And that could be rather bad...
Most of what you've done has basically been what you're thinking it is. To be clear, these aren't trap options, I don't like the idea of those. It's more the fact that you're trying to work out answers to questions that humanity barely understands. That you've as far as you have, and you have come a lot further then I'd expected, is down to a combination of good rolls, the Miracle of Skylark, and Mary being your Science Minister.
After three years, we've finally cleared the two personal projects we were working on, and simultaneously unlocked the mystery-box that has been hinted at since literally turn one:
I'm excited to see how it works in practice.
Though the descriptive text for the trait on the front page is missing an "as", @Snowfire.
I did tease that quite a bit, didn't I. Practiced Words are going to be fun :lol
All of the results of note have been clumped together at the end of the written section. So the +10 out of +20 came from the Prototyping Centre action, which was going to be a +15 max but then you rolled a Greater Success on the Practice dice
Also, something I noticed in your compendium. The Aegis only supplied shields and planetary defences to Earth. It didn't extend to Mars. This may be why the population of Mars is currently Uneasy
Well, now that we know it is at a 50% discount, we'd be fools not to pick it.Well, that would require you picking it
Ah. That makes more sense. In that case, it might be a good idea to put in "??? + 44 + 5 (Eyes to See) = ???". This keeps things in the same format as what you've got already, and (perhaps more importantly) is extremely thrilling to see - that kind of stuff immediately tells you that something interesting is going to happen. Or maybe it is just me, I guess.
Yeah; I know they aren't trap options. It is basic research - we need to do it to open more powerful branches of the tech tree later on. I'm thinking of it roughly as digging up a chdst of fun stuff that we can try to unlock later on. Only, right now, we've got a pretty nice row of chests ready to go, so in the short-term, keys are more useful than locks.
You do still need an "as" there.
"...your ability to work Practice with words rather than action is something as exciting as it is strange."
Good to know. At this point, it is still a Mystery Box to us. We can Practice in a way other people can't. Great! But what does it mean?
That is why it is a mystery.
Admittedly, with the way shipyard practice was set up, we get 81+ exactly 20% of the time, and we put two dice in it, so there was a good 36% chance of this happening.All of the results of note have been clumped together at the end of the written section. So the +10 out of +20 came from the Prototyping Centre action, which was going to be a +15 max but then you rolled a Greater Success on the Practice dice
As far of the +15 max goes... didn't Yard Work in the turn 6 write up list it as +20?
Fixed, thanks.Also, something I noticed in your compendium. The Aegis only supplied shields and planetary defences to Earth. It didn't extend to Mars. This may be why the population of Mars is currently Uneasy
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Snowfire
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A fair point. Added the roll for you!
Yeah; I know they aren't trap options. It is basic research - we need to do it to open more powerful branches of the tech tree later on. I'm thinking of it roughly as digging up a chdst of fun stuff that we can try to unlock later on. Only, right now, we've got a pretty nice row of chests ready to go, so in the short-term, keys are more useful than locks.
Keys would indeed be more useful, but they're harder to find than the chests right now.
Admittedly, with the way shipyard practice was set up, we get 81+ exactly 20% of the time, and we put two dice in it, so there was a good 36% chance of this happening.
As far of the +15 max goes... didn't Yard Work in the turn 6 write up list it as +20?
Yard Work will upgrade the shipyard and give bonuses to the Shipyard Operations checks. The design centre gives bonuses to Prototyping and Design checks, like what you're doing building space fighters. Different things.
Just those two task forces. You'd need to have run down Unravelling the Impossible to have a chance of reverse engineering Practice-tech with any sort of speed.
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@Snowfire That's going to be annoying for you once the combat starts, isn't it? Because everything's going to have a bunch of different stats even within the same so called 'class'...
That said, it does give us an idea on what we're going to want to push as our next 'preferred chain' action...
Also, with adding extra die to the Shipbuilding action... does this mean we have two parallel ship runs, or is it a case of two tries for the same result? What I mean is, if we assign multiple standard die to a Ship Construction action, does that do multiple actions of that action, or does it do the normal 'roll two dice, pick highest roll as result'?
Because that sort of thing would be very useful to know for planning our turns...
That said, it does give us an idea on what we're going to want to push as our next 'preferred chain' action...
Also, with adding extra die to the Shipbuilding action... does this mean we have two parallel ship runs, or is it a case of two tries for the same result? What I mean is, if we assign multiple standard die to a Ship Construction action, does that do multiple actions of that action, or does it do the normal 'roll two dice, pick highest roll as result'?
Because that sort of thing would be very useful to know for planning our turns...
Uhh... I was suggesting that the actual die roll and final result be hidden...
Snowfire
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Hmm.
I shall think further on this.
Each action is more runs. That reminds me, I need to set a limit on how many dice you can assign without needed to expand the yards again.
I'll add all of this into the Mechanics Corner tomorrow, working a late today.
Does anyone know how one goes about using the Internal Ad System here on SV? I was thinking that this thread could use some more attention.
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Most Benevolent Councillor @Serafina gave me the following when I asked her about that:
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/forums/submit-internal-advertisement.68/
Internal Advertising - Ad Submissions Now Open
Also even if nothing comes of it, thank you so much for considering it. It's very kind of you.
Hm. I'd be willing to get a short-term SV subscription if it mean I could put out an internal add for this thread, but actually putting together a banner is far beyond my non-existent art skills.
I don't suppose anyone else here would be interested in giving it a go?
I don't suppose anyone else here would be interested in giving it a go?
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Or I could spend an hour messing around in GIMP with some old fractals and come up with something I think might do the trick.
@PrimalShadow how does that look to you?
@PrimalShadow how does that look to you?