The Life and Times of a Half Saiyan King (Thread2)

@lordchaos99 Was step 3 of that Color Quest thing the "The styles you learned in a time lost to you. Instinctual forms of your Alien Heritage"? I'm looking through various old choices, and that or dreaming seems to be the only things that would make sense for it to be the thing, since everything else is either Green Dependent, or could easily be locked away from us if circumstances varied slightly (like hunting our Dad, or doing stuff with our Brother).
 
@lordchaos99 Was step 3 of that Color Quest thing the "The styles you learned in a time lost to you. Instinctual forms of your Alien Heritage"? I'm looking through various old choices, and that or dreaming seems to be the only things that would make sense for it to be the thing, since everything else is either Green Dependent, or could easily be locked away from us if circumstances varied slightly (like hunting our Dad, or doing stuff with our Brother).

Which Color Quest was this? The one to gain access to Green/improve Green (if you already had it)/improve Yellow/Orange/etc?
Or the one to unlock Blue?

Oh? Why you changing the system? It not working out the way you wanted it to?

It would be rather neat if the Beezlebaby was the Gohan to our sisters Gossard. Both getting Blue Sparks, and mirroring eachother in various ways.

Yeah, people not voting and saying the mechanics is the reason.

I think Goose' mirror will be Goose. Blue is Multiple Personality Disorder remember.
But maybe. Depends on my rolls.

How about Blue, then Green/Yellow after the surge is over?

Not if you want to change anything. It's a surge of Blue Ki each time you alter anything and going into a high level fight you do not want to be static (it's a lot of minmaxing and taking drawbacks for bonuses)

[/QUOTE]Does the Earth ALSO have an egg? Or if we want some Buu Goodness, we have go looking?

Weakness is the antonym of Strength, so the lack of Strength is Weakness. Like one of a Vampires weaknesses is a stake through their heart, or Superman is weak to Magic.

So that's an alternative to the Be Frieza, Become a God, or Lose Dilemma.[/QUOTE]

Gossard has no idea if Earth has an Egg
Did someone say my name?
Not you, in-story Gossard!

You'll find most people have a weakness to Stakes in their heart. We don't normally mention it.
By your logic DC Humans are all weak to magic and wooden stakes, because they have the exact same resistances as Vampires and Kryptonians.

This would fall under the Be Frieza category (find a different method of sensing in-combat, Frieza uses Sherlock Scanning)
My sister is Haxx, I'm supposed to be the Main Character!
 
It's kind of funny that the first time Gottex gets a Zenkai she could potentially be more powerful than Gossard by a ridiculous degree due to the reds multiplier.

We really need to work on learning either red or yellow next.

Red + Green would be amazing but i doubt our body will be strong enough to withstand the pressure until we're a teenager.
 
Which Color Quest was this? The one to gain access to Green/improve Green (if you already had it)/improve Yellow/Orange/etc?
Or the one to unlock Blue?
The Saiyan ones all shared the same first half, right? It wasn't till ~step 25 that we ended up picking which color we wanted to pursue. We have only gotten to Step 2 so far last you talked about it.

Yeah, people not voting and saying the mechanics is the reason.

I think Goose' mirror will be Goose. Blue is Multiple Personality Disorder remember.
But maybe. Depends on my rolls.

Not if you want to change anything. It's a surge of Blue Ki each time you alter anything and going into a high level fight you do not want to be static (it's a lot of minmaxing and taking drawbacks for bonuses)

Gossard has no idea if Earth has an Egg
Did someone say my name?
Not you, in-story Gossard!

You'll find most people have a weakness to Stakes in their heart. We don't normally mention it.
By your logic DC Humans are all weak to magic and wooden stakes, because they have the exact same resistances as Vampires and Kryptonians.

This would fall under the Be Frieza category (find a different method of sensing in-combat, Frieza uses Sherlock Scanning)
My sister is Haxx, I'm supposed to be the Main Character!
That was one person, whose reason, while it might be valid, does not necessarily represent any larger group than himself. There are all sorts of reasons for not voting, like I and someone else who got too caught up in wanting to talk it over that we almost forgot to vote at all. I'll state again, I like all the mechanics you got going on. I find mechanics important to be able to understand what will happen in wacky and random worlds like the world of Dragonball.

Goose can't mirror Goose, for Goose is Goose.
Here's hoping Bulma bribes the dice again.

Guess we are just going to have to make energy detectors and see if we happen to pick up any strange stuff (well, stranger than the gateway to hell and all the other stuff Earth has going on).

Yes, all DC Humans, and humans in general, possess that weakness. Because that is what it is refered to when talking about Vampires and Superman.

Ah, was thinking Be Frieza was just Sherlock Scan, AKA be so damned good at fighting, you don't even need any extra senses or anything.
 
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This would fall under the Be Frieza category (find a different method of sensing in-combat, Frieza uses Sherlock Scanning)
My sister is Haxx, I'm supposed to be the Main Character!

It's kind of funny that the first time Gottex gets a Zenkai she could potentially be more powerful than Gossard by a ridiculous degree due to the reds multiplier.

Wait until she masters her Kai martial arts. Her potential is so high it's not even listed on the scale right now.

Pot 24: 50,000,000 + 44,444,443 = 94,444,443 once Kai martial arts is trained to the max.

To put this into context Gohan gets 4,444,443 from mastering his martial arts with a Potential of 20. (Ignore his character sheet. There's an error there that lists Gohan's max at 444,443. Gohan's real power level is 6M. Lordchaos is aware of it and is fixing it later after the next update)

Gottex would have a power level of roughly 94B. That's not even including the possible zenkais she'll have along the way :o

I'd be careful about fighting your siblings Gossard or else they'd zenkai and become stronger than you again. Clearly Gossard needs more omakes to power up now :p
 
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Man Bulma's dad must be so proud of his Eugenics program....so many ridiculous supergrandbabies.

Wonder surprise me in this AU if he subtly hinted to Bulma she should go for Goku.
 
Wait until she masters her Kai martial arts. Her potential is so high it's not even listed on the scale right now.

Pot 24: 50,000,000 + 44,444,443 = 94,444,443 once Kai martial arts is trained to the max.

Gottex would have a power level of roughly 94B. That's not even including the possible zenkais she'll have along the way :o

I'd be careful about fighting your siblings Gossard or else they'd zenkai and become stronger than you again. Clearly Gossard needs more omakes to power up now :p
That's not just mastering the martial art, that's training it to hit's absolute limit. At 1 G.
Also, to note, that's for Pot 24. Pot 26 (after she finishes training Kai School) it'd be 444,444,443.

Zenkais will net us, at max roughly 2 billion (if we were using canon PLs), AKA base form equal to Super Perfect Cell.

Though really, she'd only have that advantage till we learn God Mode or False Super Saiyan ourselves, we can handle the Pot difference by learning more MA (which I'm working on making it extremely easy for us to collect them all). That, or so strongly out-tech her that the power advantage doesn't matter. There are ways to deal with this rather than raw Power.
 
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Man Bulma's dad must be so proud of his Eugenics program....so many ridiculous supergrandbabies.

Wonder surprise me in this AU if he subtly hinted to Bulma she should go for Goku.

To be fair, only one is a super grandbaby. The rest are Divine, Legendary and Twin-souled.

The Saiyan ones all shared the same first half, right? It wasn't till ~step 25 that we ended up picking which color we wanted to pursue. We have only gotten to Step 2 so far last you talked about it.

Goose can't mirror Goose, for Goose is Goose.
Here's hoping Bulma bribes the dice again.

Guess we are just going to have to make energy detectors and see if we happen to pick up any strange stuff (well, stranger than the gateway to hell and all the other stuff Earth has going on).

That wasn't literal, just metaphorical steps. The next step (or rather the easiest prereq that also makes other prereqs easier) is currently accessible to all 3 Brief Siblings. It was not Dream (that could give a fast access to Cyan though, Im half-tempted to have Goose do it and get both blue style transformations :p Then again, Im also thinking of just wiping the color, it is entirely made up and there are tonnes of forms already).

Goose can mirror Goose as much as Launch can mirror Launch.

Yeah, that's detriment to being on Earth. The Weird Stuff Detectors don't work cause they detect too much Weird.

Wait until she masters her Kai martial arts. Her potential is so high it's not even listed on the scale right now.

Pot 24: 50,000,000 + 44,444,443 = 94,444,443 once Kai martial arts is trained to the max.

To put this into context Gohan gets 4,444,443 from mastering his martial arts with a Potential of 20. (Ignore his character sheet. There's an error there that lists Gohan's max at 444,443. Gohan's real power level is 6M. Lordchaos is aware of it and is fixing it later after the next update)

Gottex would have a power level of roughly 94B. That's not even including the possible zenkais she'll have along the way :o

I'd be careful about fighting your siblings Gossard or else they'd zenkai and become stronger than you again. Clearly Gossard needs more omakes to power up now :p

You'll note that is max training at 1G before adding in Kai +2Pot.
At 10G her Power will be measured in E.
9.4e12 I think that comes too.

Fortunately, all is not lost. There are threats out there with 1e100 PL.
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Your current PL:
20,000,000
False Gossard:
750,000,000

They are currently asleep. Waking them up, was one of the options last thread (you didn't pick it, you picked Future-Sight Raditz)
Did I say all is not lost? Sorry, I meant to say Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. Also, I may have a number-porn addiction. Help.
 
That's not just mastering the martial art, that's training it to hit's absolute limit. At 1 G.
Also, to note, that's for Pot 24. Pot 26 (after she finishes training Kai School) it'd be 444,444,443.

Zenkais will net us, at max roughly 2 billion (if we were using canon PLs), AKA base form equal to Super Perfect Cell.

Though really, she'd only have that advantage till we learn God Mode or False Super Saiyan ourselves, we can handle the Pot difference by learning more MA (which I'm working on making it extremely easy for us to collect them all). That, or so strongly out-tech her that the power advantage doesn't matter. There are ways to deal with this rather than raw Power.

Sorry for phrasing it poorly. That's what I meant to say when I said train it to the max. I used 24 since that's where the scale stopped. I would have used 27, but the scale didn't go that far. I am just saying Gottex just has to spend one action like Gohan did last turn to completely and utterly surpass us for a really long time.

True we can get Godhood but sadly a red poke is not enough to get god ki going by Lordchaos's old post.

Our options for God ki are

1: Train with Whis
2: The SSG Ritual
3: Being given apotheosis by Gottex

Both of which are very far away right now.

Don't forget she can do the same thing by learning more martial arts. She does cap out sooner though due to lower intelligence :D Gottex isn't all power she has magic to which can be very versatile. Her martial arts also gives her a bonus to using magic in combat.
 
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That wasn't literal, just metaphorical steps. The next step (or rather the easiest prereq that also makes other prereqs easier) is currently accessible to all 3 Brief Siblings. It was not Dream (that could give a fast access to Cyan though, Im half-tempted to have Goose do it and get both blue style transformations :p Then again, Im also thinking of just wiping the color, it is entirely made up and there are tonnes of forms already).

Goose can mirror Goose as much as Launch can mirror Launch.

Yeah, that's detriment to being on Earth. The Weird Stuff Detectors don't work cause they detect too much Weird.
I know they aren't literal steps, but you were refering to something. So yeah, was it learning our ancient styles? Cause you said it was an option, and that seems to be the only thing that is availble to all 3 of us, and something that wouldn't have been locked off if things gone slightly difference (cause I don't think you'd make Perfection impossible if we don't take the exact right steps).

Oh what, Dreaming could have gotten us Cyan? Damn, can we still do that? Cause I'm REALLY interested in Cyan, given it's supposedly absurd Esoterics. And you've given us almost no info on what it even is, so this is our only lead on how to get it so far. If we can't, then yeah, definitely give it to Goose so we can steal it from her.

I'd vote nay on the removing Cyan. Rounds out the numbers, and as mentioned before I'm really interested in it.

Launch doesn't mirror Lauch however. They are Opposite, not Equal and Opposite like we and Gohan are. From what I can tell, Launch mirrors herself as much as Goku mirrors Bulma, and you wouldn't really say they mirror eachother.

We can atleast work our way through all the wierd, cause most of it is useful in some way.
Fortunately, all is not lost. There are threats out there with 1e100 PL.
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Oh, is that all? We can get our base PL up there after learning roughly 150 MAs.

Sorry for phrasing it poorly. That's what I meant to say when I said train it to the max. I am just saying Gottex just has to spend one action like Gohan did last turn to completely and utterly surpass us for a really long time.

True we can get Godhood but sadly a red poke is not enough to get god ki going by Lordchaos's old post.

Our options for God ki are

1: Train with Whis
2: The SSG Ritual
3: Being given apotheosis by Gottex

Both of which are very far away right now.

Don't forget she can do the same thing by learning more martial arts. She does cap out sooner though due to lower intelligence :D Gottex isn't all power she has magic to which can be very versatile. Her martial arts also gives her a bonus to using magic in combat.
Even if she does cap herself out, we can easily catch ourselves back up. Learn 2 more MA (simply two actions), and our Potential will be the same, and we'd have 4 MAs we could max compared to her 1. If we learn 7 more (we got at least that many available to us), our Potential will be such that it our base will be as strong as her God form.

And while Gottex can also go learn more, she's lacking many of the traits we got that makes it much easier to learn more MA. Copycat allows us to effectively start learning at 7/10 MA, rather than 0/10. Both versions of Watcher allows us to learn MUCH faster. And Telepathy will let us steal ranks at a much faster rate than we can otherwise learn them.

Finally, I don't really see Gottex being much of a Fighter. Given her Magic Potential, she's probably going to be our Mage. She's roughly 262,144 times better at Magic than we are after all.
 
Headhunting
You are Dr Flappe, and you had just gotten home from some work in Jingle Village. You take off your helmet after you climb off your snowmobile, letting out a big sigh. You can feel your age getting to you, and are looking forward to relaxing on your recliner in front of the fire with some hot chocolate.

Your happy thoughts are banished shortly after you open the door when a young voice comes from with your house "Welcome home, Dr Flappe." Your hand instinctively falls to the gun on your hip that you learned to keep with you. After hesitating for a few moments you pressed forward.

You find your intruder standing beside your work table, actually standing on your stool to be high enough, looking at the various parts you left from your last project. Specifically a gun that looked much like the one at your hip. "Very interesting, a Capsule Corp Little Shocker, I see you you've made a variety of modifications. Built in energy source to replace the battery, a clever array to greatly increase the voltage, and more. It at least confirms my idea that you were worth checking out." You were quite confused, you only had the one gun, that's when you noticed that your gun hand was actually empty, despite the fact that you were certain the gun was there a few moments ago.

Your yelp of surprise prompted the intruder to turn around, giving you your first good look at him. And you were further shocked at what you saw. You knew he was short, but you have experience with short men, but he wasn't just short, he was a kid. A very young one who didn't look like they could be any older than 6. He was dressed in a very expensive looking suit, and had a sharp glint in his eye and an intimidating aura that told you he wasn't any normal rich kid. "W-What do you want?"

"I am Gossard Briefs, heir to Capsule Corp, and I have decided I lazed around enough the last four years, and have now began to expand my empire. To start with, I'm gathering the greatest minds the world has to offer outside my family. You've made it on my list, so I'm here to interview you, decide whether you are worthy of the offer." He explained, eye's peering deep into your soul.

Your mind flashed back to your days in the Red Ribbon Army, and you were immediately apprehensive. "What if I don't want to work for you? I like my life here."

"You do not need to worry, I will be nothing like that Red Ribbon Army. While my plans do involve world domination, I intend to accomplish it through largely economic means, creating an empire so great that everyone would beg to join. To answer your question, you don't have much of a choice." He casually hopped off the stool, and began to walk towards you, making you take an involuntary step backwards. "I'll leave the exact details to your imagination, I'm sure you are smart enough to know what someone with my connections is capable of. The Interview is over, and you are hired. You start in a week, put your affairs in order and report to Capsule Corps Headquarters in West City."

"W-What!? You didn't even ask me any questions!" You stammer in confusion as he exits the door, having a hard time understanding what even is going on.

"I already got all the info I needed directly from your head. The world is rapidly changing, and you are being left behind in the mountains." With the final word said, he rises into the air without any visible means of propulsion, and quickly rockets off, leaving you behind to consider the child's 'offer'.

You mentally check off another name on your list, as well add a new one. Dr Gero apparently worked with Dr Flappe back when, and from what Flappe can remember, Gero certainly meets the criteria for the list. You will make sure to gather information on him and check him out later, either to recruit or to take out so he won't join any of your competitors.
 
You going to have Gossard headhunt Dr. Senbei Norimaki?
Well, that depends on whether or not he actually exists. I was assuming no, but realized there wasn't much grounds to that assumption. He has all kinds of absurd inventions that we could abuse the heck out of if he does exist. Like that machine that makes literally anything, or Arale who is so powerful as to easily defeat SSB Goku and Vegeta (presumably got upgrades over the years, but still)
 
@lordchaos99 If we put Green Ki into a Ki Battery, would it keep producing more and more Ki?

Also, I'm writing a sequal to the other Head Hunting Omake, having Gossard hit up a number of other Scientists. The way it's going, I'm not sure if I should do each scientist separately in omakes averaging 8 paragraphs each (some of which are short talky talk paragraphs), or do them all together in one really long Omake. How do you think I should do it?
 
@lordchaos99 If we put Green Ki into a Ki Battery, would it keep producing more and more Ki?

Also, I'm writing a sequal to the other Head Hunting Omake, having Gossard hit up a number of other Scientists. The way it's going, I'm not sure if I should do each scientist separately in omakes averaging 8 paragraphs each (some of which are short talky talk paragraphs), or do them all together in one really long Omake. How do you think I should do it?

Until the Battery overloaded and blew up, yes.

I didn't expect this many omakes! The system can't hold it.
Dammit, I love player interaction and omakes, but I also don't want to break the game. And if I build the system to expect Omakes, then if people stop writing them Gossard fails.
Oh the curse of popularity and interest *faints*

But more seriously, I might need to backtrack on my claim that every omake gets a reward. Maybe the best omake of a given turn or time period? That still rewards player effort...

Well, that depends on whether or not he actually exists. I was assuming no, but realized there wasn't much grounds to that assumption. He has all kinds of absurd inventions that we could abuse the heck out of if he does exist. Like that machine that makes literally anything, or Arale who is so powerful as to easily defeat SSB Goku and Vegeta (presumably got upgrades over the years, but still)

Arale exists, she is currently mid-hundreds PL.
Norimaki specializes in advanced AI and engineering, the Reality Machine is just a futuristic 3D printer with an AI.
The Big-Small Gun uses the same tech as Capsules, it's just ranged. Bulma uses something similar in Dragonball.
Any time travel invention is non-canon or has another explanation.
 
Until the Battery overloaded and blew up, yes.

I didn't expect this many omakes! The system can't hold it.
Dammit, I love player interaction and omakes, but I also don't want to break the game. And if I build the system to expect Omakes, then if people stop writing them Gossard fails.
Oh the curse of popularity and interest *faints*

But more seriously, I might need to backtrack on my claim that every omake gets a reward. Maybe the best omake of a given turn or time period? That still rewards player effort...
Yeah man. Don't go the way We Stand In Awe did and let Omake Rewards shattered your powercurve/plans/expectations over their knee.
 
Until the Battery overloaded and blew up, yes.
So we'd need to give the battery some way to vent the excess energy.

Is LEGEND connected to ALL Green Ki? Like, say, if some random race on Planet Frieza-248 learned how to make Ki Green, would that Ki be part of us?
I didn't expect this many omakes! The system can't hold it.
Dammit, I love player interaction and omakes, but I also don't want to break the game. And if I build the system to expect Omakes, then if people stop writing them Gossard fails.
Oh the curse of popularity and interest *faints*

But more seriously, I might need to backtrack on my claim that every omake gets a reward. Maybe the best omake of a given turn or time period? That still rewards player effort...
I guess that means I should do all the head-hunting at once. Alright.

Arale exists, she is currently mid-hundreds PL.
Norimaki specializes in advanced AI and engineering, the Reality Machine is just a futuristic 3D printer with an AI.
The Big-Small Gun uses the same tech as Capsules, it's just ranged. Bulma uses something similar in Dragonball.
Any time travel invention is non-canon or has another explanation.
Alright, guess I should add him to the list.

How about stable time-travel? You remain in the same timeline, and as such can't change time, for anything you'd do in the past is just something you already did. It's kinda like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
Is LEGEND connected to ALL Green Ki? Like, say, if some random race on Planet Frieza-248 learned how to make Ki Green, would that Ki be part of us?

How about stable time-travel? You remain in the same timeline, and as such can't change time, for anything you'd do in the past is just something you already did. It's kinda like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Nah, Government/Green Ki can be separate, though it does prefer to fuse together into one controlled shade.
You can't really 'learn' how to make Green Ki though, you either naturally produce it or you do not. At best you learn how to alter yourself to do it.

That is MORE paperwork for the Time Patrol. It is really hard to set things up so they are stable.
Something about Quantum Uncertainty and stacking picosecond reaction alterations making nothing truly stable over endless repetitions*

This is sort of a tangent:
A stable timeloop requires all of the actors in play to respond the same way each time, except that's impossible.
Think of it this way, with Prisoner of Azkaban:
Harry is about to be eaten by Dementors, Future-Harry is on the other side of the lake. Future-Harry is waiting for James to save him, not knowing that he is in fact James.
He waits for James, but he doesn't show up and Harry is about to die
He realizes James isn't showing up and steps up, radiating the light of his Patronus
Harry sees 'James'

The next time around Future-Harry is waiting for James, but he waits an extra second, because he remembers James showing up right before the Dementors eat him
The next time around Future-Harry is waiting for James, but he waits an extra second. Harry's soul is sucked out.
No-one goes back in time to save Sirius

The next time around things play out differently, with no-one to Wolf-howl and distract Lupin and the whole thing loops again a few times, restoring the Book3 shown loop with Future-Harry finding himself on the other side of a lake and saving himself. This creates an endless cycle of timeloops, not a single stable timeloop.
But again, quantum mechanics. The wrong decision caused by a breeze or a synapse going off in the wrong direction could throw the whole thing off balance again.

Both of these are terrible if you want One Canon Timeline overseen by a Supreme Kai of Time. Sooo much paperwork.
The only way you can get a stable timeloop is with a completely deterministic universe with no quantum mechanics or true randomness.
 
That is MORE paperwork for the Time Patrol. It is really hard to set things up so they are stable.
Something about Quantum Uncertainty and stacking picosecond reaction alterations making nothing truly stable over endless repetitions*

This is sort of a tangent:
A stable timeloop requires all of the actors in play to respond the same way each time, except that's impossible.
Think of it this way, with Prisoner of Azkaban:
Harry is about to be eaten by Dementors, Future-Harry is on the other side of the lake. Future-Harry is waiting for James to save him, not knowing that he is in fact James.
He waits for James, but he doesn't show up and Harry is about to die
He realizes James isn't showing up and steps up, radiating the light of his Patronus
Harry sees 'James'

The next time around Future-Harry is waiting for James, but he waits an extra second, because he remembers James showing up right before the Dementors eat him
The next time around Future-Harry is waiting for James, but he waits an extra second. Harry's soul is sucked out.
No-one goes back in time to save Sirius

The next time around things play out differently, with no-one to Wolf-howl and distract Lupin and the whole thing loops again a few times, restoring the Book3 shown loop with Future-Harry finding himself on the other side of a lake and saving himself. This creates an endless cycle of timeloops, not a single stable timeloop.
But again, quantum mechanics. The wrong decision caused by a breeze or a synapse going off in the wrong direction could throw the whole thing off balance again.

Both of these are terrible if you want One Canon Timeline overseen by a Supreme Kai of Time. Sooo much paperwork.
The only way you can get a stable timeloop is with a completely deterministic universe with no quantum mechanics or true randomness.
I guess the crux point here is differing interpretations of Quantum Mechanics and True Randomness, and thus the "cause" of alternate timelines. I'm of the belief that reality is deterministic despite quantum mechanics, but this ain't really the thread for further discussion of this, plus you are the author so what you says goes.

Course, Future-Vision seems like it'd cause just as many troubles, especially if the Future-Vision is reliable at all. This timeline diverged when Goku got together with Bulma instead of ChiChi (well, a bit before that, but whatever). However, because of that, various future-vision people saw different future visions (like Bardock), which caused more changes. Those changes would cause changes to what even more prior future-vision people would see, and so on, and so forth back to the beginning of time.

Edit: Oh, that's something I didn't really ponder. What's up with Bardock? Why did Time Kai not do anything about him? If it's not a stable-time-travel thing, then it seems like his presence back when, and his defeating Lord Chilled, would have caused tons of changes.
 
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I guess the crux point here is differing interpretations of Quantum Mechanics and True Randomness, and thus the "cause" of alternate timelines. I'm of the belief that reality is deterministic despite quantum mechanics, but this ain't really the thread for further discussion of this, plus you are the author so what you says goes.

Course, Future-Vision seems like it'd cause just as many troubles, especially if the Future-Vision is reliable at all. This timeline diverged when Goku got together with Bulma instead of ChiChi (well, a bit before that, but whatever). However, because of that, various future-vision people saw different future visions (like Bardock), which caused more changes. Those changes would cause changes to what even more prior future-vision people would see, and so on, and so forth back to the beginning of time.

Edit: Oh, that's something I didn't really ponder. What's up with Bardock? Why did Time Kai not do anything about him? If it's not a stable-time-travel thing, then it seems like his presence back when, and his defeating Lord Chilled, would have caused tons of changes.

Yeah, science can't really come down definitely yet, so it's a matter of theory and philosophy. Canon for this quest is that timeloops normally form into a series of repeating but stable loops until a Time Patroller or the Supreme Kai of Time pops in and finagles it into a single stable timeloop and sets that in stone.

Future-Vision does cause the same amount of trouble, it's just easier for Chronoa to stop timeloops before they happen than future-sight and future-sight is easier to solve (namely redirect the vision from the actual future to a premade vision, then do the normal thing sealing events into canon/scrolls)

Chronoa got really annoyed and huffy, then saw him laying there with most of his armour destroyed, so she began drooling.
This timeline's* Bardock got recruited into the Time Patrol (kinda, the timeline split in two around that decision point so one Bardock went to Toki-Toki the other to join Towa and Mira) and most of his work is solving these exact headaches caused by all the Bardocks of the timelines, but at least it's a good source of Time Patrollers (most Namekian, Arcosian and Saiyan TPs will be sourced from Null-Bardock timelines or aborted timelines after Bardock's arrival but before Bardock's journey back caused by fixing the timeline and all the Future-Vision users).

*Both Timeline1 and Timeline2 Bardock, so there are 4 hanging around, and the Masked Saiyan. Timeline2 is a Bardock born Post-Bardock1. Timeline1 is Canon-Bardock who saw Gossard shitstomping Frieza on Namek instead of the canon future-vision, Timeline2 Bardock saw...something about Frieza's death by a Brief Sibling (the future of this Quest).

Timelines are CONFUSING. This is why SKoT Hates timeloops.
 
Yeah, science can't really come down definitely yet, so it's a matter of theory and philosophy. Canon for this quest is that timeloops normally form into a series of repeating but stable loops until a Time Patroller or the Supreme Kai of Time pops in and finagles it into a single stable timeloop and sets that in stone.

Future-Vision does cause the same amount of trouble, it's just easier for Chronoa to stop timeloops before they happen than future-sight and future-sight is easier to solve (namely redirect the vision from the actual future to a premade vision, then do the normal thing sealing events into canon/scrolls)

Chronoa got really annoyed and huffy, then saw him laying there with most of his armour destroyed, so she began drooling.
This timeline's* Bardock got recruited into the Time Patrol (kinda, the timeline split in two around that decision point so one Bardock went to Toki-Toki the other to join Towa and Mira) and most of his work is solving these exact headaches caused by all the Bardocks of the timelines, but at least it's a good source of Time Patrollers (most Namekian, Arcosian and Saiyan TPs will be sourced from Null-Bardock timelines or aborted timelines after Bardock's arrival but before Bardock's journey back caused by fixing the timeline and all the Future-Vision users).

*Both Timeline1 and Timeline2 Bardock, so there are 4 hanging around, and the Masked Saiyan. Timeline2 is a Bardock born Post-Bardock1. Timeline1 is Canon-Bardock who saw Gossard shitstomping Frieza on Namek instead of the canon future-vision, Timeline2 Bardock saw...something about Frieza's death by a Brief Sibling (the future of this Quest).

Timelines are CONFUSING. This is why SKoT Hates timeloops.
So usually when a person "Sees the Future", they don't ACTUALLY see the Future, they instead get to watch something Chronoa hurriedly slapped together in Windows Movie Maker. That's neat.

Got another question. We are a Parallel Timeline, a broken off (literally) shard from the Main Timeline. Does Chronoa really care about what we do, time wise? We aren't exactly her responsibility anymore, unless we try to cross over into Canon.
 
So usually when a person "Sees the Future", they don't ACTUALLY see the Future, they instead get to watch something Chronoa hurriedly slapped together in Windows Movie Maker. That's neat.

Got another question. We are a Parallel Timeline, a broken off (literally) shard from the Main Timeline. Does Chronoa really care about what we do, time wise? We aren't exactly her responsibility anymore, unless we try to cross over into Canon.

They initially see the future, but then Chronoa retroactively replaces the vision, but yeah basically.

Kind of? You are a Parallel Timeline but not a broken off shard from the Main.
Parallel Quests/Shards are fragments in time, at most a day, not fully self-contained logical timelines and actively harm the fabric of Time.
New Timelines are born from Toki Toki's Eggs.
Parallel Timelines are what happens when an existing Timeline undergoes Mitosis. This usually helps the two Timelines making them healthier, though in this particular case it harmed them (due primarily to Bardock seeing events after the split from before the split and then going back a few Eras).

Chronoa can ignore you as long as your timeline doesn't implode or try to cross into canon, but at the end of Time it'll just be so much more work to remove a scarred and wounded Timeline and create One Scroll Of Eternity set down with dried ink and she knows her replacement will totally summon her from the past (the current present) to fix the mess. So she is lax, but does keep a general eye on things. 'Go poke this Timeline' is sometimes given as an odd mission or two to low ranking or recovering Time Patrollers.
If you time travel on purpose she will definitely grab you up though, and begin yelling. Then you and Trunks will be told to invent this new thing called the 'Time patrol' cause she is overworked and having a bunch of minions sounds fun.

Not that any of this matters for the next decade or so :p
 
They initially see the future, but then Chronoa retroactively replaces the vision, but yeah basically.

Kind of? You are a Parallel Timeline but not a broken off shard from the Main.
Parallel Quests/Shards are fragments in time, at most a day, not fully self-contained logical timelines and actively harm the fabric of Time.
New Timelines are born from Toki Toki's Eggs.
Parallel Timelines are what happens when an existing Timeline undergoes Mitosis. This usually helps the two Timelines making them healthier, though in this particular case it harmed them (due primarily to Bardock seeing events after the split from before the split and then going back a few Eras).

Chronoa can ignore you as long as your timeline doesn't implode or try to cross into canon, but at the end of Time it'll just be so much more work to remove a scarred and wounded Timeline and create One Scroll Of Eternity set down with dried ink and she knows her replacement will totally summon her from the past (the current present) to fix the mess. So she is lax, but does keep a general eye on things. 'Go poke this Timeline' is sometimes given as an odd mission or two to low ranking or recovering Time Patrollers.
If you time travel on purpose she will definitely grab you up though, and begin yelling. Then you and Trunks will be told to invent this new thing called the 'Time patrol' cause she is overworked and having a bunch of minions sounds fun.

Not that any of this matters for the next decade or so :p
Unless some funky AU shit happens or we timetravel a lot sooner than planned, odds are Trunks would work for us, us outclassing him in every way. We are LEGEND, so being more powerful than him is kinda part of who we are, not to mention we are unlocking many more transformations than he is. And while he does seem fairly smart, he really doesn't seem to be a Briefs-Tier intelligence. And if we start up our Empire, we will have plenty of experience with running organizations and what not, experience he lacks. At best, if Gohan doesn't come along with, I could see him being a low-grade Gohan for us.

Though, I'm curious how Chronoa would treat us if we become really powerful. Like, Beerus levels of powerful, cause she was quite intimidated by the God of Destruction. Such levels of power are easily within our grasp, we can get close with some simple Zenkai Abuse, then God Mode. For while Goku totes got stronger from Cell to Super, I'm doubtful by how much. Unless it was 100 times stronger, we should still be good, cause Zenkai can take our base form up to the level of Super Perfect Cell.
 
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