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The Leila Hann Let's Watch Spoiler Thread: Seriously, Stop Spoiling Stuff

Given Carl Barks' Duck Comics came up in the main thread, I actually have thought to commission some of them. My first thought was 'The Golden Helmet', since it's considered one of his best and is the only non-Danish work in the children's section of the Danish Culture Canon.

Only reason I'm not completely settled on Golden Helmet is that Scrooge isn't in it. So for one with him, I'd probably go with 'Back to the Klondike'. Or maybe 'Christmas on Bear Mountain' since we were talking about origin comics before.

I've also thought of Don Rosa's Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck, as a Cartoon Animals Epic it'd fit in nicely alongside Usagi Yojimbo. But it'd make sense to commission a few Carl Barks comics first for context, it's what Rosa would want after all.

I've also thought to do a vis a vis commission of the first episodes of both the 1987 DuckTales and the 2017 reboot. Though both have been criticised for not being that faithful to Barks' vision, especially the reboot as it reportedly flopped in continental Europe, where Carl Barks' fandom is huge
 
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About commissioning concept albums, one I've thought to commission has been Quadrophenia by The Who. While acclaimed, it's often overshadowed in popular culture by their other rock opera Tommy.

It's about a boy with dissociative identity disorder, quite forward-thinking for an album from 1973, whose personalities are each patterned on a member of the band (I'm told parasocial-based personalities is fairly accurate for people with DID). Though being from 1973, before the name DID was even coined, its terminology is expectedly dated, like the album's own title conflating schizophrenia with DID.

While there is a movie adaptation, I'd rather commission the album directly, since the movie only briefly addresses DID and doesn't have all the songs
 
krinsbez said:
I thought that was The Stars My Destination?
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Keyword 'possibly'. There's some debate as to whether The Stars My Destination is cyberpunk or just 'proto-cyberpunk', as is usual whenever people try to define the first ever work in a genre. The Long Tomorrow being in a visual medium did mean it was able to do more to define the aesthetic of cyberpunk though, and it helped bring the Film Noir influence into the genre.

Edit: And also it'd be way cheaper to commission The Long Tomorow than The Stars My Destination
 
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I once brought up why we don't see Norse myth as much as Greek myth in modern fiction, theorising it was due to people not wanting to compete with Marvel (unless you're big as God of War) or sources on Norse myth not being as comprehensive as Greek.

Then Leila replied that it was due to Norse myth having too much of a Nazi stigma. Which I can see, since for example the director of The Northman originally didn't want to make that sort of movie due to said stigma (not that Greece doesn't have its own Nazi problem though).

So I'm surprised that Ah My Goddess (AFAIK) has escaped being co-opted by Nazi otaku, unlike other anime sadly have. Given it's inspired by Norse myth (if very loosely), and that Belldandy could easily be seen as a tradwife. You could call that reading of her unfair, but keep in mind it's Nazi fans we're talking about here, they don't have the deepest reads on characters.

I was thinking AMG may have avoided Nazi otaku as it was before their time, but not quite. K-On! has been infamously co-opted by nazis, and it came out not that long after the AMG TV series. It could simply be because AMG only got so much attention in the West (it wasn't obscure, but certainly not as huge as others), so it slipped under their radar.
Or it could be because one of the main characters is dark-skinned (Urd's race is ambiguous as she's not even human, but she certainly isn't pale)
 
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The one thing I would commission for Lelia, at least for the end of the year, us the second season of arcane.

Also castlevania, the first show.
 
Kingcrusader said:
The one thing I would commission for Lelia, at least for the end of the year, us the second season of arcane.

Also castlevania, the first show.
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Well yeah when Arcane season 2 comes out :)

One of the things I would enjoy hearing about is her dissection of the "sins" from the series, Especially after her analysis of the sins of Fullmetal alchemist

Speaking of which here's the trailer introducing some new ones (and two old ones) or one old one... The gluttony's are actually orphan triplets that escaped slavery


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJNdQFPaHk


Edit: apparently the openings and endings were released whilst I was taking shelter from the hurricane


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKvBpv2idRc


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPzI7S3MVI4
 
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Mentioned in the main thread that I'd thought about commissioning Round the Twist. Two episodes I had in mind were 'The Cabbage Patch Fib' and 'The Copy'. The first stands out for a child being made to raise a baby, only for him to leave said baby to die. The second for flat-out killing off a main character...'s clone
 
No idea if I should commission another Malcolm in the Middle episode, given Leila said she wasn't really a fan of the show back when. If I did though, I'd probably go with 'Flashback', one of the series' more dramatic episodes as it covers just how the family's lives ended up that bad.

On another topic, remember how I asked whether I should tell Leila about Skazka Skazok's high reputation beforehand, i.e. that people see it as the Citizen Kane of animated shorts, if not animation period? Turns out she already looked that up anyway
 
ArlequineLunaire said:
No idea if I should commission another Malcolm in the Middle episode, given Leila said she wasn't really a fan of the show back when. If I did though, I'd probably go with 'Flashback', one of the series' more dramatic episodes as it covers just how the family's lives ended up that bad.

On another topic, remember how I asked whether I should tell Leila about Skazka Skazok's high reputation beforehand, i.e. that people see it as the Citizen Kane of animated shorts, if not animation period? Turns out she already looked that up anyway
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don't commission a single episode, commission several the provide context and build off each other, or you're gonna keep having this same problem. Flashback also relies a lot on being hooked into the series, being reminded of the best jokes from earlier. If you asked me for a list of worst Malcolm episodes to commission for her, Flashback would be in the top 10.
 
Kaiya said:
don't commission a single episode, commission several the provide context and build off each other, or you're gonna keep having this same problem.
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Maybe 'Tutoring Reese' (the episode right before 'Bowling') would be a good candidate instead, given its more serious subject matter in how it tackles the education system?
I usually commission about three or four episodes of a show to see if a reviewer likes it beyond first impressions, then stop if they still don't liek it after that.

Also, on how MitM handled gender, there were a few episodes that did a better job at it. 'Lois' Makeover' (best known for "The future's now, old man!") tackles beauty standards, and the genderswap episode 'If Boys Were Girls' had the still relevant message of treating girls like actual people instead of precious little angels... er, along with a bunch of fat jokes at Hal's expense
 
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ArlequineLunaire said:
Maybe 'Tutoring Reese' (the episode right before 'Bowling') would be a good candidate instead, given its more serious subject matter in how it tackles the education system?
I usually commission about three or four episodes of a show to see if a reviewer likes it beyond first impressions, then stop if they still don't liek it after that.

Also, on how MitM handled gender, there were a few episodes that did a better job at it. 'Lois' Makeover' (best known for "The future's now, old man!") tackles beauty standards, and the genderswap episode 'If Boys Were Girls' had the still relevant message of treating girls like actual people instead of precious little angels... er, along with a bunch of fat jokes at Hal's expense
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I'd say...

Sleepover, Reese Cooks, Tutoring Reese, The Grandparents, IMO. Establish Stevie and Malcolm, put Reese's issues and the Francis and Lois stuff on display, show Lois' parents and how dangerous they are. This is a good set of episodes where the show communicates the vibe, and also has actual stuff to say. If her tune has changed by the end of that, commission more, like the one with Hal's family, or the one where it reveals that both Hal and Dewey are schizophrenic.
 
Yet another movie I've thought to commission is Dune. Not Villeneuve's or Lynch's, but Jodorowsky's.

Specifically, the multi-award-winning documentary Jodorowsky's Dune on the unfinished adaptation. It has been called 'the most important film never made', and Alien, cyberpunk as we know it (via Long Tomorrow), the 'French Watchmen' The Incal, and arguably even Star Wars probably wouldn't exist without it.

Speaking of Star Wars, Jodorowsky's Dune almost feels like what Star Wars could've ended up being, given how troubled and risky Star Wars' own production was. Though Star Wars never had Salvador Dali and a mass defecation scene.

Given it's a documentary though, it's possible Leila might be cautious about reviewing it, since she usually doesn't do non-fiction. Though being about a sci-fi movie does make it more her area of expertise.

Also on Jodorowsky, I considered commissioning Holy Mountain instead of Colour of Pomegranates, given the films' similarities in style (Holy Mountain is a lot more NSFW though). But I went with Pomegranates since it's the shorter of the two
 
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The patron reviews have hit the bit of chainsaw man on the queue, which has me wishing for more to be commissioned. Next for her is the katana man arc, chapters 23 to 38. I'd be willing to help with that. Or, I'll be trying at my first commission on my own of something written, though that would be whatever I can afford.
 
Kaiya said:
My Epic commission is finally up this month. Very excited~
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So. Not spoiling any of this for non patrons, but she gave some great reviews for Epic - although I'm not sure Gigi's portrayal of Eurylochus matches what Leila seems to have taken from him.

Personally, I'm just hopefully someone commissions the Wisdom saga - some of her conclusions revolve around Odysseus being the main character in an allegorical tale, and Athena having her own side-adventure with his kid and (even better) on Olympus, far from humans… I'd love to see how she reacts to that. (I, unfortunately, am still recovering from commissioning Arcane S1, even with help.)
 
I talked with Leila about commissioning documentaries (I had Jodorowsky's Dune in mind), and right now her stance is No, saying documentaries are too out of her wheelhouse as a reviewer.

Anyway, me commissioning a Carl Barks comic means we're one step closer to Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck, given that's a series it helps to have context for.

Edit: Presumably Babakiueria's allowed since it's a clearly fictional mockumentary
 
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So, I had thought I had downloaded the other two Jack Vance stories I wanted to commish, but can't find them, and obvs. the Internet Archive is no longer available, and now I am depressed.
 
I think the wayback machine is back, if it helps? Obviously, its coverage isn't perfect, and things sometimes get removed for legal reasons, but it has returned if there's something you want to download.
 
krinsbez said:
So, I had thought I had downloaded the other two Jack Vance stories I wanted to commish, but can't find them, and obvs. the Internet Archive is no longer available, and now I am depressed.
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Are these ones that are no longer in print or available as ebooks? I noticed that some Jack Vance books are available from Barnes & Noble, and apparently a whole bunch from jackvance.com and sfgateway.com. Which stories in particular were you trying to find?
 
The Narrator said:
Are these ones that are no longer in print or available as ebooks? I noticed that some Jack Vance books are available from Barnes & Noble, and apparently a whole bunch from jackvance.com and sfgateway.com. Which stories in particular were you trying to find?
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Oh, they are available as ebooks, but I am not sure about commissioning something she'd have to buy, yeah?

Granted, I can't commission anything ATM because I am unemployed, but I am reasonably confident of having a new job soon.
 
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