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Droman said:
George proved to be remarkably unwilling to flesh out the nobility system for Westeros
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Because those were a mess IRL to begin with in so many cases, and varied from country to country.

Personally I think its best to assume hes using a variation of the late medieval-early renaissance nobility system from Poland [all nobles are equal by law]. In this case, all minor nobility holds equal rank so long as they have land, and are differentiated by the amount of vassals [and those vassals vassals]. Higher status nobility is determined by ancient titles or offices held [granted by king]

In the classic western noble system it would be King- Duke/Count- knight houses
[The king could have his own vassal knights, a duke could have counts and knights. Simplification! Eat with ice cream!]

Droman said:
High Lords of the Dreadfort, Lords over the Lonely Hills, the Long Lake and the Weeping Water, Masters over the Houses Shiver, Weeper, Burley, Overton, etc....
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With how big the north is, how much land Boltons have, and how many levies and knights they can field wouldn't that make Rose a Duke?
In fact, with those lands being a kingdom in the past, each of the mentioned lands [Lonely Hills, Weeping Water, Long Lake] could be their own ducal titles, with numerous fiefs and counties.
 
kaazmiz said:
Because those were a mess IRL to begin with in so many cases, and varied from country to country.
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Considering he's largely based the setting on British and Scandinavian culture I think he's hardly gonna struggle.

Personally I think its best to assume hes using a variation of the late medieval-early renaissance nobility system from Poland [all nobles are equal by law]. In this case, all minor nobility holds equal rank so long as they have land, and are differentiated by the amount of vassals [and those vassals vassals]. Higher status nobility is determined by ancient titles or offices held [granted by king]
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I do love me some medieval Poland, though.

With how big the north is, how much land Boltons have, and how many levies and knights they can field wouldn't that make Rose a Duke? In fact, with those lands being a kingdom in the past, each of the mentioned lands [Lonely Hills, Weeping Water, Long Lake] could be their own ducal titles, with numerous fiefs and counties.
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In theory he'd be a duke, but it's canonical that the Boltons lost a lot of lands during their wars with the Starks. In my canon (lifted from my contemplations RE ADOTN) the Boltons would have ruled the former Karstark lands, the Widow's Watch Flint lands and the Hornwood lands and gradually lost them. The Lonely Hills would follow a collection of clans ala the Scottish highlands, while the Weeping Water and Long Lake are both significant geographical locations meriting a mention.

Personally I'd like to have even more lords in the North and break it up more. Maybe make the Lonely Hills an independent region, thin the Neck out a bit, detail the northern mountain, maybe turn Sea Dragon Point into an island...
 
Can you not Quote your entire story Posts? Thread alerts don't go off unless you post more than a hundred words and quotes don't count. So I haven't been getting any thread alerts from this thread. I thought it was dead story-wise and was just chatter from non-story posts going on.

It wasn't until your most recent post that I was alerted.
 
Should this all go off without a hitch and we get out of this damnable city that's ready to die by starvation or storming, and then if we make it to Robb Stark alive and then if we manage to convince him of our surety, then and only then may you complain that you had to boil a dead man's skull. Then and only then, Walder Frey.
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Can I sig this?
 
Nobody said:
Hey Droman, I was just wondering, why do you put the chapters in quote boxes?
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I am many things, Nobody.

Among those things?

Surprisingly anal about how my updates come looking out on SV.

Tel Janin Aman said:
He enjoys making people shift through all the shitposting to find his updates
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TheOtherSandman said:
It doesn't eat up the entire page either.
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Also those. Well, more TOS than TAJ since I have started incorporating threadmarks and Leech Lord is no where near as shit-posty as ADOTN and I really am anal about posts and threads. I'll delete a post if I don't think it's long enough to merit existence.

Stratagemini said:
Can you not Quote your entire story Posts? Thread alerts don't go off unless you post more than a hundred words and quotes don't count. So I haven't been getting any thread alerts from this thread. I thought it was dead story-wise and was just chatter from non-story posts going on.

It wasn't until your most recent post that I was alerted.
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I tend to quote for a reason, though I try to keep in mind that problem and wait a while to quote. With my ADD though that step easily gets missed sometimes.

Think on the bright side though: All those chapters you got to read in one go!

Also, I refer you to @kaazmiz.

Gremlin Jack said:
Can I sig this?
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Sure.

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And finally for some levity, an adapted SMBC pic:

 
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Well since this seem to be the minor questions time and the author does not seem too pissed then here's one of mine that has been bugging me somewhat since forever. I apologize in advance if it has already been answered at some point.

Why refer to the king as your Grace? In my limited admitedly knowledge that is how one adresses top tier nobility such as dukes not royals.Why not your majesty?
 
Eliar said:
Well since this seem to be the minor questions time and the author does not seem too pissed then here's one of mine that has been bugging me somewhat since forever. I apologize in advance if it has already been answered at some point.

Why refer to the king as your Grace? In my limited admitedly knowledge that is how one adresses top tier nobility such as dukes not royals.Why not your majesty?
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GRRM made it Your Grace (probably thought it sounded better), and I'm just going with what he established.
 
Eliar said:
Well since this seem to be the minor questions time and the author does not seem too pissed then here's one of mine that has been bugging me somewhat since forever. I apologize in advance if it has already been answered at some point.

Why refer to the king as your Grace? In my limited admitedly knowledge that is how one adresses top tier nobility such as dukes not royals.Why not your majesty?
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Droman said:
GRRM made it Your Grace (probably thought it sounded better), and I'm just going with what he established.
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Until the 16th century, even the English Kings were addressed as "Your Grace" instead of "Your Majesty".
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His Grace or Her Grace is a style used for various high-ranking personages. It was the style used to address Kings of England until Henry VIII[1] and the King or Queen of Scots up to the Act of Union of 1707, which merged the Kingdom of Scotland with the Kingdom of England. Today, the style is used when referring to non-royal dukes and duchesses, and archbishops, in the United Kingdom.

So yeah, Martin just thought it was "more accurate" and probably "less fantasy-like" that way.
 
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Waiting for the scene when Sansa tells her family how Droose went berserker on one of her tormentors and losing the kings favor in the process.

Glad to see the story back.
 
Sir Rabby said:
When has early story Sansa ever delivered? She'll probably mention how much he scared her when he randomly murdered that knight.
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Old Gods damm it, I just want her to show a little bit of Starky-ness. Ok, they get themselves killed. But, mostly, they do it with some balls, you know?

At least have her compose a poem in his honor, or something. You know, Noble Kingsknight, beating on barely teen girl, great insults, lots of stabbins, it's a pity I never got my hanky back, but it did need washing.

That sort of thing.


There was one fic, where when the Joff shows off her dad's head, she kills him on the spot. That was a Starky way to go, smiling at her own execution.
 
Simonbob said:
Old Gods damm it, I just want her to show a little bit of Starky-ness. Ok, they get themselves killed. But, mostly, they do it with some balls, you know?
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No, that's not what being a Stark is.

People don't recall Theon Stark, who stopped an Andal invasion, reaved and burned a portion of Andalos to avenge his people and carried the skulls of dead Andals back home to put them on pikes along the easter coast as warning.
People don't recall Brandon "Ice Eyes" Stark, who left slavers from the Stepstones to the hands of those they enslaved.
People don't recall Cregan Stark, the best swordsman of his age and the one who could have ended many noble Houses, including the Targaryens, after the Dance of Dragons.

It's just the last few generations are a fucking disappointment compared to those before but hey, most Lord Paramounts and noble Houses suffer the same fate.
 
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