The Leech Lord (ASOIAF/SI) - Complete

Okay so slavery is totally okay so long as you have money. They just pretend it's illegal.

Wow Westerous really sucks. I mean really sucks.

I know you said you weren't discuss your faith with another characters, but whatever ideology they have right now? It's totally not working.

They need 12 CCs of new ideas stat! Something that's a little different then what they have at the moment because wow that's F'd up.

For the first several decades of the Industrial Revolution wage slavery ran rampant in the factories of many Western countries, including the United States. It's one thing for a country to say that slavery is outlawed, but another thing entirely for them to rigorously enforce it.
 
Well, yeah.

On Westeros in particular though, I would think that, much like most laws, it only applies if the people at the top care to have it enforced. Jorah Mormont sold poachers into slavery in the North, and Eddard was ready to have him executed for it; Cersei sold people into slavery in Westerlands, somehow Tywin didn't cared about it. It's really, as it always is, a compound result of people in power doing whatever they feel like.

I mean, technically, rape (outside of marriage) is illegal too: Stannis had any rapers in hsi army gelded, after all, and half the men at the wall are there for it, so it's quite clearly a crime. Yet Gregor Clegane didn't seemed to care, nor did Tywin felt the need to punish him for violating that particular law.

It's an inborn feature of feudalism - when every lord is the arbiter of laws in their own lands, the laws only apply to those people the lord feels they should apply to.
 
Okay so slavery is totally okay so long as you have money. They just pretend it's illegal.

Wow Westerous really sucks. I mean really sucks.

I know you said you weren't discuss your faith with another characters, but whatever ideology they have right now? It's totally not working.

They need 12 CCs of new ideas stat! Something that's a little different then what they have at the moment because wow that's F'd up.
It's not slavery, it's Indentured Servitude/The Feudal Contract/Apprenticeship Contracts/Long Binding Contracts/Working Off Their (Constantly Growing) Debts/Whatever. Seriously, these kind of legal fictions that, in practice, are only so slightly different from downright slavery are not strange to fact or fiction, and they happen even nowadays even in countries that are not considered complete hellholes.

Some of them even officially kinda allow it so long it's kept quiet instead of officially fighting it when they discover such things. :p
 
Droose might have to answer to Joffrey about this. Explain why he stole from the Master of Coin, but probably not the reason Droose gave Cersei. Joffrey would probably appreciate a more baser desire being given. Droose took her because he saw he wanted he took. Maybe throw in a rob from robbers theme, get them thinking about how Petyr became so influential.
 
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Chapter 25
Chapter 25: Catching Up
Our return to the Red Keep had been... awkward.

Certainly, the outright fear that Jeyne now showed at my identity was unhelpful, but I was more annoyed with the perpetual surliness of Black Walder.

Jonos Bracken thankfully, was in a world of his own.

"So," said the Frey with a not-quite growl as he glared at me and Jeyne Poole after we were seen to the Red Keep "Might I have an answer now?"

"No," I said casually enough "You might not."

"Bolton-"

"Mind your elders, Walder. And your manners. We will speak on the morrow. See the Lord Bracken to his quarters, and then see yourself to your own."

Growling impotently, he did as told, storming off with Bracken around his shoulders.

As he left, I turned with a sigh to the scared young girl besides me.

"Lady Poole?"

"I- I - Lord Bolton, that is-"

"You'll be sharing my rooms for the night. Unless I should be remanded down to the Black Cells on the morrow, I will take you to see Sansa then. Is that permissible?"

"I- yes, lord."

"Good. Then let's be away. I find myself in need of a good week's worth of sleep."

--

I would sleep poorly that night.

I had graciously elected to give up my bed to Jeyne Poole, commandeering a pair of chairs in my room along with a pillow and blanket to improvise a bed. I'd slept rougher than that before, from cold floors to the great outdoors. It was a varied experience to be sure, but at heart I was a man best rested when availed three blankets and six pillows and a queen's bed to myself.

Still, I hadn't woken up in the Black Cells again with rats for company and mossy stones for a mattress, so that was a big plus.

But otherwise, I was fairly grumpy, a fact which did not escape my roommate's notice.

She'd even tried to apologize for it, but I waved her off at the pass.

Wasn't like it mattered much, in the long run, and we both had better things to do and think about.

So as soon as we both awoke and readied ourselves (Jeyne having not had any clothes to change into had reluctantly claimed some of those made available to me), we left my quarters and set off.

We went first to the kitchens, where I took some bread, cheeses and fruits for the both of us, as well as some hard-boiled eggs and sausages one of the cooks had made for his own breakfast. He'd protested at first, but I'd had a dragon or two still left to me from Cersei's graciously given purse, and I'd given him one for the food.

Greatly overpaying, but I was hungry and fuck him I got mine.

Finding an alcove to sit briefly and eat our expensively-gotten food, Jeyne and I did so in near-silence, with only the occasional cough or grunt interspersed.

"Once we finish eating," I said between mouthfuls of fruit "We will go to the gardens and call upon Sansa. I have need to sort matters with Black Walder, and will leave you two alone for a time. Have a care, and remain within eyesight. Petyr Baelish does not lack for friends."

"Yes, lord."

And so we sat, eating what accounted for our breakfast.

--

"Lady Sansa," I said with a polite nod as I gently led Jeyne besides me "I believe you both know each other?"

The crying and hugging that ensued would answer that rhetorical question well enough, and gave me leave to step away and see to my other matter of the day.

Black Walder.

"So..." said the Frey knight with a grunt "Are you going to explain?"

"The girl's name is Jeyne Poole," I said with a shrug "Her father's name was Vayon Poole, and he was Lord Stark's steward both at Winterfell and here. Jeyne was a childhood companion of Sansa, and knew the Starks well. The Queen Regent had given her over to Petyr Baelish, who sought to make a whore of her. Now Roose Bolton, after being prevailed upon by her childhood friend Sansa Stark, has plumbed the depths of King's Landing, scoured the city's filthiest quarters, and rescued this wayward Northern maiden."

"With the Queen's blessings, I should hope?"

"Where did you think the coin purse came from?"

"Fair enough. Dangerous though, dealing with Baelish. Lowborn lot like him don't rise so high without being dangerous."

"No, they rise high by playing on the infatuations of madwoman."

"Eh?"

"A tale for another time, Walder. Suffice it to say that I am not without knowledge."

"Still. The Queen can't intervene for us here, if Baelish presses the matter. Unless she explains the scheme in full, which suits us little to have another involved."

"Ware yourself, and pray for otherwise then."

"I was never a godly man Bolton, and I shan't start now. So what's to be done with the girl, then? While we remain at King's Landing?"

"I had a thought to give her to Sansa Stark as a maid, to keep them both together."

"But?"

"The Stark girl is never far from His Grace, and I fear that he may yet remember the Poole girl. It might prove more prudent to keep her close to me."

"I suppose she'll keep you warm at night, heh."

"I am a married man, Frey."

"Tell that to the whores you paid for yesterday."

"I did, more strenously to some than others. It might have escaped your notice, but I neither dipped my wick nor quenched my thirst. I was as sober when we came back to the Red Keep as we left, and as ... unsatisfied as well."

"Bolton, we went to half a dozen whorehouses yesterday, not counting Baelish's-"

"They were all Baelish's, actually."

"Doesn't matter. I saw you pay for at least three whores."

"Yes. I had a rather enjoyable string of naps in the rooms. The whores enjoyed the free wine and a chance to rest their weary cunts."

"... You're a strange man, Roose Bolton."

"Morals can be a strange thing, my friend. A strange thing indeed."

--

And so our talks went, as we discussed what little news either of us had to share. By virtue of my long stay in the Black Cells, Black Walder had certainly the greater share.

"Renly Baratheon's already dead," he confided with a little chortle "The fool pillow-biter rode to Storm's End to face his brother with twenty thousand horse, and lost his head and crown for it. Stannis Baratheon holds Storm's End now, and is said to be raising an army in the Stormlands. Ravens have flown across half of Westeros, and he calls upon all good men to make their allegiances known."

"He shall find Westeros bereft of good men, I fear. How did Renly die, pray tell? Is it known?"

"In battle, of course. The fool charged headlong with all his might, and damn well broke it against his brother's defenses. Loras Tyrell is said to be dead as well, and half a hundred knights and lords of the Reach are now hostages at Storm's End. Those who followed Renly from the Stormlands have given their allegiances to Stannis, and the matter has left the great army at Bitterbridge divided. The Stormlords there have split aside from the main camp it is said, and arguments of all sorts have raged between Mace Tyrell and his banners. Some wish to bend the knee to Stannis, while others think it prudent to return to Joffrey."

Battle? What the bloody-

The changes are beginning to ripple.

"I imagine the Florents lead the first camp?"

"I wouldn't be surprised. Stannis's wife is a Florent and his daughter as well, and Robert's bastard at Storm's End was a Florent as well. There's been some talk that Stannis might legitimize the boy and betroth him to Shireen, to strengthen his claim as Robert's heir."

"Dangerous talk, that. There would be those who rather a boy king, especially one of Robert's blood."

"Lucky for us that we already have him," said Black Walder with a laugh "Seated atop the Iron Throne, as well."

"Indeed," I said, with a thin-lipped smile following after "But that boy king's war does not go well, I hear. Kevan Lannister does not offer battle to Robb Stark."

"He's trapped in between him at Harrenhal and what's left of our own army at Raventree. Tytos Blackwood has been recruiting and training more men from the refugees fleeing the southern half of the Riverlands, and Robb Stark sends missives to the knights of the Vale to ride to his side. His lady aunt does no such thing, but there's been some small aid come overland across the Ruby Ford. Some second or third sons, of families long since known to the Starks. Not many it is true, but enough that with Lord Stannis's ships in the Bay of Claws, the King has all but decried them as traitors."

"We sit astride a dangerous fence, then."

"The war is not yet decided. Baelish is at Bitterbridge to entice the Reachlords towards a Lannister pardon, and I suspect the King will set aside the Stark girl for a Tyrell one if that is so. Margaery Tyrell is a widow now, after all."

"The Martells might yet rise for Stannis," I offered lamely "Considering his temperament and the severity he would seek to visit upon the Lannisters."

"Dorne would be best served to sit and watch us all kill one another," came Black Walder's reply as he spat at the ground at the thought "Watch us die, and only then make their intentions known. The same goes for the Ironborn."

"I fear Balon Greyjoy is a far less patient man than Doran Martell. Whatever he intends, we will know sooner rather than later."

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If Roose Bolton told me to sober up and be ready to escape the brothel by force when his hour was up before he went upstairs I would be about 60% expecting some sort of horrible grisly murder.

Only sixty? Did you read what he did to Blount?

Edit: I really hate (sometimes) that SV saves drafts.
 
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What does Varys know?
Everything you spoke of in that garden and the fact that you didn't sleep with Poole.
Maybe even your conversation with the Queen.
Varys isn't omniscient. He appears that way because he does have his little spiders everywhere, yeah, but that doesn't mean that they can hear everything.

What the man undoubtedly has is a really good ability to collect bits of information due to his network of spies, an intimate knowledge of the personalities and tempers of the people he's surveilling, and a frightening ability to connect the dots to predict the impact and influence of the people he's watching and their decisions. Which may seem like he "knows everything", but is really not the same thing.
 
Okay so slavery is totally okay so long as you have money. They just pretend it's illegal.

Wow Westerous really sucks. I mean really sucks.

This sort of thing is why establishing -- and more importantly, adhering to -- the concept of the rule of law is such a big deal. In pretty much all of history, there was the law and it was whatever those in power said it was. It was literally impossible for the King to break the law, and likewise impossible for those serving the King to break the law.

The concept that a ruler is inferior to the law is very new in human history, and countries based on that concept have a constant uphill struggle against the fact that that idea is novel and unnatural to the average human thought process. Some countries do better at applying it than others, but none of the rule of law countries in the world at the moment are doing a very good job of applying it.

In fact, all the countries that even have the concept seem to be in a race to get rid of it entirely. Westeros is a crapsack, but it might well be our future government system.
 
I'd would like to point out that slavery was not illegal till the 18th century in OTL... at least Westeros says it's illegal!
 
To be fair though there are people who can steal faces or cast glamours in ASOIAF. If Varys was clued into that and had some information on Roose's previous personality then it's not impossible for him to have suspicions, even if the reality couldn't be on his radar unless displaced personalities are an established phenomenon.
 
Liking this story. Don't understand why Droose is so loyal to the Starks. I get that they are a pretty likeable family, but passing up the chance to be Lord Paramount?

I know, Red Wedding and all, but passing up a chance at practically being king is just...ugh. Partially explains why Droose is so successful I guess; everyone expects him to try to unseat the Starks and makes their plans with that in mind.
 
In fact, all the countries that even have the concept seem to be in a race to get rid of it entirely. Westeros is a crapsack, but it might well be our future government system.
The idea that all the countries that have established the rule of law are looking for a way to remove the concept, and that Westeros "might well be our future government system", is baseless fear-mongering, though. Most attempts to subvert the rule of law these days actually attempt to subvert it by using the rule of law and the innate respect people have for it.

And even then, the idea that rulers are not subject to worldly laws is not exactly... correct, as such. The king himself may be held unaccountable for his actions due to sovereign immunity. However, his ministers and government may be (and often were) subject to worldly laws. Many kings considered "wise" and "just" followed this principle, making them extremely popular with their common subjects.

Of course, just because a law exists doesn't mean it is enforced. And there's the problem: a law that is not consistently enforced against everyone is nothing more than a dead letter, or may become an unjust law if it is inconsistently enforced. The concept of "rule of law" doesn't just include the idea that "everybody is subject to the law" (which is not actually strictly true; legal immunity is a well-established concept for many good reasons), but also that "the law is applied equally to everyone without distinction".

(And I'll stop this now. It's an interesting subject, but not really the topic of this thread, eh?)
 
Liking this story. Don't understand why Droose is so loyal to the Starks. I get that they are a pretty likeable family, but passing up the chance to be Lord Paramount?

I know, Red Wedding and all, but passing up a chance at practically being king is just...ugh. Partially explains why Droose is so successful I guess; everyone expects him to try to unseat the Starks and makes their plans with that in mind.

And then you're stuck with holding the North against the White Walkers while nearly everyone there hates you. Excellent plan.

Taking power is worth it in stable times. Smart men don't risk upsetting the boat when shit is about to go down and it isn't like being the Lord of the Dreadfort is much worse than being Lord Paramount of the North. Besides the Lannisters may already be done for since Tyrion isn't there to pull King's Landing out of the fire when Stannis comes and both Tywin and Jaime are prisoners.
 
Liking this story. Don't understand why Droose is so loyal to the Starks. I get that they are a pretty likeable family, but passing up the chance to be Lord Paramount?

I know, Red Wedding and all, but passing up a chance at practically being king is just...ugh. Partially explains why Droose is so successful I guess; everyone expects him to try to unseat the Starks and makes their plans with that in mind.
Why would he want to be Lord Paramount? Seriously what does that give him personally that he doesn't have already? Aside from more responsibility and more enemies plus

And then you're stuck with holding the North against the White Walkers while nearly everyone there hates you. Excellent plan.

Taking power is worth it in stable times. Smart men don't risk upsetting the boat when shit is about to go down and it isn't like being the Lord of the Dreadfort is much worse than being Lord Paramount of the North. Besides the Lannisters may already be done for since Tyrion isn't there to pull King's Landing out of the fire when Stannis comes and both Tywin and Jaime are prisoners.
There is no time taking power would be worth it if the price is keeping the Lannisters in charge.

And even if there was a different way to take power the question remains. Why? Why do you want power? Power for its own sake is worthless. If none of the things you actually want to have or do requires being Paramount then its a distraction from the things you actually want to do at best and a liability or even death sentence at worst.
 
Strasngely enough I'm with Black Walder here :p Let whoever be lord Paramount and get all the headaches. He will just sit in the Twins and collect the toll.

If only he wasn't such a foul creature...

I hope Droose managed to gtfo before Stannis comes calling. if he comes.
 
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