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The Dawi change the game(An GOT/Warhammer crossover)

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UlseDovThur said:
There's also the fact that the nobility of the Vale are super fucking pretentious and religious. It would be inevitable that we would come into conflict with some jack off noble.
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Not as bad as the Westerlands or Reach, but yes an inevitable outcome.

I'd also say in the south we'd routinely have young knights constantly attempting to challenge our warriors/lords in fights to the death, to 'prove themselves'. Partially because of religious fervour, but also because they see us as easy targets (being too stupid to notice that the legends of us are very different from the 'halflings' they see in mummers troops).
 
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ImperialBriton said:
Not when we look at the maps. The only real forested portion of the Vale is just west of the Fingers. and while large, its more likely than not, gonna be a hard stretch to get rights to harvest lumber from there. Anywhere else, while yes you may have small amounts of forests, within 100 years we'll have burnt our way through them, and the Umgi would move in to start cultivating in the newly freed lands (too feed them Dwarfs, who pay in lovely coins and trinkets). The Dawi of the old world largely keep up with demand due to trade with the Umgi of the Empire, with their massive forests (that are a plague onto them, because of Beastmen infestations). Forests that make all but the Deepwood look small.
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Well there are other big forest's not so far away like the one covering most of Cracklaw point, the forest near the Cape of Eagles, The Kingswood, and the Rainswood, plus if we need to we can buy tree saplings and continuously plant them near the hold.

Edit: Their not as bad as you guys are saying but they are still kinda bad, plus if we take care of the mountain clans in the Vale they will be in our debt or at least look upon us favourably, plus if you guys don't want to deal with the Valemen we can go to the Stormlands which has two big forests in it, a good sized mountain range, and stormlanders are basically northerners with a more martial bent.
 
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ImperialBriton said:
Not as bad as the Westerlands or Reach, but yes an inevitable outcome.

I'd also say in the south we'd routinely have young knights constantly attempting to challenge our warriors/lords in fights to the death, to 'prove themselves'. Partially because of religious fervour, but also because they see us as easy targets.
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I'd say the Vale is worse. Their completely assured of their own invincibility because of their mountains and are super into knighthood and chivalry in that posh self important way.
 
If this is the case, why not take the Northern throne and crown ourselves Kings and Queens of the North? Deposing the Starks?
 
ImperialBriton said:
@Cago you really want to move south dont you...
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I have multiple reasons to I want to move south yeah as I don't want to deal with wildlings constantly, and ironborn raids as we're going to be on or near the west coast, and the Mountains in the north while untapped the biggest of the ranges is inhabited by the northern mountain clans and I doubt the stark's would kick them out and the mountain clans are pretty territorial so I doubt we could co inhabit with them. Another main reason is that most fics/quests are either Stark or Targaryen focused which while I like both of them is getting a bit old for me.

Edit: That and I'm following a couple of fics on alt history that follow a Stark and Targaryen character each.
 
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ImperialBriton said:
? please explain
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Well, if things progress as in GoT canon, if I'm correct, Torrhen will be forced to bend the knee and suffer an indignity due to his children doing what they want. I highly doubt the North will like this as opposed as they are to Targayren hegemony (again, on the guess of following canon). If that happens and we Dwarfs suffer an indignity, we can use this chance to seize the throne and become monarchs of the North, then build it up according to our wishes.
 
Honestly the southern half of Westeros just isn't a good idea. There are no mountains in the Riverlands and it's currently full of Ironborn, the Westerlands are full of them but are also famous for their miners so we'd have a lot of competition for space as they actually value their mountains, the Vale is full of religious assholes and we would be liable to be a war with one before the century is out, the Reach is also lacking in the mountain department and full of assholes, and Dorne has mountains and open people but sucks on every other level.

Stormlands are ok I guess but fuck that's a long walk.
Cago said:
I have multiple reasons to I want to move south yeah as I don't want to deal with wildlings constantly, and ironborn raids as we're going to be on or near the west coast, and the Mountains in the north while untapped the biggest of the ranges is inhabited by the northern mountain clans and I doubt the stark's would kick them out and the mountain clans are pretty territorial so I doubt we could co inhabit with them. Another main reason is that most fics/quests are either Stark or Targaryen focused which while I like both of them is getting a bit old for me.

Edit: That and I'm following a couple of fics on alt history that follow a Stark and Targaryen character each.
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Mildly hilarious that you actually consider wildlings and ironborn a threat to a Dawi settlement. We have the capacity to build hand guns and Cannons. I'd like to see the fuckers try. Free target practice.

And the Mountain Clans can kiss my ass. Same deal with the ironborn and Wildlings, they have a problem with us they can either get over it or become target practice.
 
Ebanu8 said:
Well, if things progress as in GoT canon, if I'm correct, Torrhen will be forced to bend the knee and suffer an indignity due to his children doing what they want. I highly doubt the North will like this as opposed as they are to Targayren hegemony (again, on the guess of following canon). If that happens and we Dwarfs suffer an indignity, we can use this chance to seize the throne and become monarchs of the North, then build it up according to our wishes.
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There is merit your proposal...

However Dawi don't do that, they typically prefer only ruling their own, and leaving the Umgi to themselves, or proping them up so they don't have to get too involved. Also that would just cause even more problems with the south, as the faith (before Maegor) will lead them into an even greater zeal to 'save the north from the half formed abominations!'

Judging from normal Dawi behaviour, if given the time and established pacts/alliance, we'd be able to support Torrhen and his brother in pushing the Targs into a mexican standoff. Probably after shooting down a dragon with Dawi steel. (Bard of Laketown style), and Rune of the Forge, to trick them into thinking we're immune to dragons flame (one of the reasons i supported the runelords instead of engineers).
 
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ImperialBriton said:
There is merit your proposal...

However Dawi don't do that, they typically prefer only ruling their own, and leaving the Umgi to themselves, or proping them up so they don't have to get too involved. Also that would just cause even more problems with the south, as the faith (before Maegor) will lead them into an even greater zeal to 'save the north from the half formed abominations!'

Judging from normal Dawi behaviour, if given the time and established pacts/alliance, we'd be able to support Torrhen and his brother in pushing the Targs into a mexican standoff. Probably after shooting down a dragon with Dawi steel. (Bard of Laketown style), and Rune of the Forge, to trick them into thinking we're immune to dragons flame.
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Now that's an idea. Dawi have a long and storied history of killing Dragons. Our Runesmiths would also no doubt value it body for its various reagents.
 
Also because of the the Dawi use of Khazalid. I would not be surprised if over the next 3 centuries, should we stay, the North begins to use the Old Tongue/Runic more; as I doubt we'd let the Targs take over our new 'friendly umgi'. Khazalid runes are very similar to First Men runes (both derived from Norse/Saxon by authors), and it would help maintain a 'northern' identity completely seperate from the south as they develop, strongly influenced by the Dawi (nobles sending their sons to the Karak/promising 'poor' folk, to study from Dawi engineers and lore masters, as the most developed and culturally advanced location in the North).
 
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UlseDovThur said:
Honestly the southern half of Westeros just isn't a good idea. There are no mountains in the Riverlands and it's currently full of Ironborn, the Westerlands are full of them but are also famous for their miners so we'd have a lot of competition for space as they actually value their mountains, the Vale is full of religious assholes and we would be liable to be a war with one before the century is out, the Reach is also lacking in the mountain department and full of assholes, and Dorne has mountains and open people but sucks on every other level.

Stormlands are ok I guess but fuck that's a long walk.

Mildly hilarious that you actually consider wildlings and ironborn a threat to a Dawi settlement. We have the capacity to build hand guns and Cannons. I'd like to see the fuckers try. Free target practice.

And the Mountain Clans can kiss my ass. Same deal with the ironborn and Wildlings, they have a problem with us they can either get over it or become target practice.
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I don't find the wildlings and ironborn a threat to us more a fly constantly flying around that you think you kill but it keeps on reappearing. As for the Mountain clans I don't care about them I more care about the Stark's seeing very loyal bannermen dying and trying to stomp on us with 20-30k men when we only have 3400 dawi total which includes children so probably only 70-80% of our total numbers could be put into the throng so we really cannot afford casualties. Also for your comments about the South I agree with you for most of that but I don't think the Valemen are as religious as you think they are considering the Royce's are one of the strongest houses and they are really proud of their First men heritage. That and I believe currently the Vale King's mother is Regent for like 5-10 years and she's pretty reasonable. For the Stormlands we're Dawi a long walk doesn't mean shit to us if we want to get those sweet sweet resources.
 
I doubt we will come into conflict with the clans, serious conflict with anyway.

I expect it will be more like this: we offer the Stark an alliance, he lets us pick a mountain, we buy stuff from the clans and sell them stuff.
 
Another thing people seem to have missed about Westeros...

The south is extremely densly populated. any changes we make (cutting down forests) will draw Umgi. any mines we make will be seen as direct competition. The North is larger than any single kingdom, and is the least populated region in Westeros, competing only with Dorne for the seat.
 
Cago said:
I don't find the wildlings and ironborn a threat to us more a fly constantly flying around that you think you kill but it keeps on reappearing. As for the Mountain clans I don't care about them I more care about the Stark's seeing very loyal bannermen dying and trying to stomp on us with 20-30k men when we only have 3400 dawi total which includes children so probably only 70-80% of our total numbers could be put into the throng so we really cannot afford casualties. Also for your comments about the South I agree with you for most of that but I don't think the Valemen are as religious as you think they are considering the Royce's are one of the strongest houses and they are really proud of their First men heritage. That and I believe currently the Vale King's mother is Regent for like 5-10 years and she's pretty reasonable. For the Stormlands we're Dawi a long walk doesn't mean shit to us if we want to get those sweet sweet resources.
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You give the Vale nobility too much credit.
 
The North also has ironwood and weirwood. While neither are as good as wutroth they are both better than regular hardwoods.
 
though weirwood would likely primarily be used for ingredients, rather than production; with limited 'harvesting', (branches or whatnot) or we would have religious war against us.

Though if we really wanted them we could hire the Nights Watch to 'collect' some on their patrols, in exchange for some good grog and weapons/armor
 
Ithuriel said:
The North also has ironwood and weirwood. While neither are as good as wutroth they are both better than regular hardwoods.
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There's also this. Ironwood is going to be the closets we are going to get to Wutroth and honestly it's a pretty good substitute.

"Ironwood is a type of wood that is said to be as hard as iron and the largest Ironwood forest in Westeros is located on the edge of the Wolfswood, and is controlled by House Forrester, though they are careful to preserve Ironwood forests and trees, lest they run out. Although ironwood is nearly impervious to flame, it's said to only burn for Forresters. When burned it emits a blue flame around it. Ironwood is used for a various things, including ships and shields. Maesters at the Citadel are known to study it."

Edit:"Ironwood is a type of tree found in northern Westeros, including in the wolfswood in the north[1] and in the haunted forest beyond the Wall.[2][3] It is a hard, black wood.[4][5] It is unknown if ironwood has a connection with ebony or the black-barked trees of Qarth. The doors to the crypts beneath Winterfell are made of ironwood,[6]while the castle's godswood has ironwoods as old as the realm itself.[7]"

Wierwood would be highly limited as I'm pretty sure that your only allowed to use already fallen branches and actually harming the trees is liable to get a load of angry northerners down your throat. And given what it is I think the Runesmiths would get more out of it than anyone else.
 
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Has any though of what the monster/beast they were hunting is?

GOT monster/beast or WF transplant (they said they burnt it, so maybe troll?)
 
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[X] Plan Settling and Establishing
-[X] Formal
-[X] The Political climate.
-[X] What would be required to establish a hold in their territory.
-[X] Other Dawi groups.
-[X] Meet the lord's in their hall for dinner and make friend's
 
[X] Plan Settling and Establishing
-[X] Formal
-[X] The Political climate.
-[X] What would be required to establish a hold in their territory.
-[X] Other Dawi groups.
-[X] Meet the lord's in their hall for dinner and make friend's

I would have put « telling the story of the Karaz Ankor » in place of asking to establish a hold in their territory, but it can wait for when the situation is more stable.
 
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