Sounds to me like the set up for one hell of a sitcom and/or romcom. :V

Edit: but it still has enough dramatic elements to hit the heart when it needs to.
 
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I certainly agree with Negentropy that Australia's outback is something of a no-brainer for a large Cetian colony. One issue they did not bring up is the Native people reaction to this--they have a lot to complain of as is OTL, and I would think the general pragmatic globalization of Earth to defend and win the dual invasion war, and maintained for 20 years after (which should go an awful long way toward establishing a world political order so intertwined with routine, with factions deeply committed to maintaining it, that would-be isolationist or imperialist secessionists would be overruled, sat on politically, and consensus would exist for military intervention to put their governments back on track with global federal union in extreme cases--some small nations might be let go, but that sets a dangerous precedent, so I'm guessing not)--this normalizing of a global authority would tend to give dissident groups with serious justice grievances some leverage they have less of OTL. Against this, perhaps the pragmatic global federation runs in part on agreements to disagree, including non-interference in domestic affairs.

As a USAian I certainly don't want to imply I think Australian "aboriginal" policy has been overall worse than US bigotry and oppression toward Native Americans (or other groups!) But it is not idyllic either. In context it is very easy for non-Native Australians to write off vast swathes of the Outback as no great loss if there is something to be gained from it, but won't Native Australians have some bitterness about being shuffled off territory they have been grudgingly or absent-mindedly permitted to live traditionally in thus far, simply because few people of European descent care for occupying it profitably?

So, that is one strike against Australia hosting Cetians--though retroactively, it would certainly make sense if a fair number of Conquest Fleet Males had drifted into the Outback ad hoc, on individual terms. Expanding that via these settlers hosting Colonization Fleet people under the Patronage Policy would make some sense too.

So is it settled that Australia, despite its obvious attractions as terrain hospitable to Cetians, and the relative lack of animosity among the majority of Aussies, assuming some roughly just settlement of conflicts of interest with Australian Native bands living traditionally in the Outback (more assimilated Natives can be better dealt with via reasonable compensation though many of them would I believe still retain stakes and interest in Outback ranges), has in fact been remarkably low, or is the author interested in filling in this blank with asserting that by now, the Cetian population in Australia, mainly in the dry lands, has indeed risen with a gradual influx of Invasion Fleet settlers drifting in from less happy for them settlement elsewhere?

Another problematic potential of a large, contiguous tract of Australia going over to Cetian settlement wholesale, either as a previously done deal to be expanded now, or as a novel introduction toward addressing the Colonization Fleet's survival, would indeed be the ecological stuff. The defeated Invasion Fleet males are inured to living without Cetian ecology (I gather even they brought some plants and animals along and some of these have gotten loose already, others are contained, and still others were never introduced or eradicated belatedly) but the Colony Fleet people will be expecting to Home-form their new "Tosev III" conquest, and there would be some temptation in a large contiguous tract in Australia (or other possible places, the US/Mexican desert region, various belts in the Sahara and Arabia, and Namibia come to mind) host rather more, perhaps in the optimistic hope the imported ecology can be contained.

Insofar as Cetian settlement can be accommodated via ad hoc individual settlements among Terrans, and large numbers of small reservations here or there, the pressure is on them to learn to live without Cetian flora and fauna. But that maximizes interspecies contact, which has good aspects (at least from my humanistic, in the generic sense of all sapient beings, standpoint) and also dangerous ones.

As a broad thing I have always favored a generous, inclusive approach. This is partially just me being a softie, but also it is I think pragmatic. "Keep your friends close, your enemies, closer!" The Terrans won the war, and despite being grievously devastated vastly outnumber Cetian and Centaurian invaders combined, even throwing in the vast Colonization Fleet population. The survivors of the two invading fleets darn well know the Terrans have the drop on them should it come to vicious interspecies warfare again. They thus have strong pressure on them to come to agreeable terms with the Terrans and integrate into a larger Solar commonwealth, and shift their loyalties to a system where Earth and Sol system remain at the very least equals, and in fact seem likely to hold hegemony in the longer run among the five species--better for their respective homeworld species if the Solar commonwealth is accustomed to integrating people of their respective types! Of course interstellar contact with the as yet unsubjugated home worlds which might not accept they had better give up on the whole Solar conquest project might revive separatist, chauvinistic spirit among Cetians or Centaurians--I do wonder whether a splinter faction of the other two Cetian empire subject species might develop some interest in reconstructing their pre-conquest societies; given the extremely long time scale and despite the long lifespans of the various hotland reptilian imperial species, any dissident memory of those days is probably thoroughly extinguished and a separatist movement would be essentially promoting a piece of historical fiction, calling it a reconstruction would be generous.

But by and large, after 20 years most of the severe animosities are dispelled or contained one way or another; mixes that were explosive have exploded or been defused via settlements or dispersing the mutually irritating parties, or perhaps more finally with violence in some cases.

The Colonization Fleet population is large but still pretty small on the scale of Earth's Terran population, and while trying to assimilate the lot of them runs some risk of a revived Cetian flare up, I think everyone would be realistic enough to accept that that would be a quixotic route to species suicide, at least within the Solar system. Realistically, the option exists for some Cetians to return to Home, up to the capacity of the Colonization Fleet vessels, and that suggests to me the ultimate outcome will be that a large fraction of the CF will be joined by a portion of the IF males who have been marking time on Earth but have had quite enough of our chilly damp planet and would rather return Home even bearing bad news than stay. Meanwhile their numbers would be more than balanced by CF people who decide to stay on Earth for various reasons.

The Solar Commonwealth or whatever its proper name is or would become, is the stronger for integrating five species in diverse circumstances, and can afford some generosity. I do think it is only prudent to send some expeditions to stars within say 15-20 LY, once cold sleep tech is developed for Terrans, to scout them out and be prepared for possible other alien intrusions, and to put up a bunch of military preparations along the approaches from the three Cetian empire homeworlds and Alpha Centauri. From remarks, I am not sure how canon they are, about how crushingly expensive it is to send a starship to another system, perhaps even small scout expeditions must await some generations of economic development.

Per prior discussion I point out the actual TL is neither entirely Turtledove's canon nor Niven and Pournelle's and just because eventually Terrans develop FTL in the Homeward Bound section of Turtledove's work, it is entirely author discretion whether essentially that same hyperdrive, some other FTL approach, or none at all is feasible, and if so when and if Terrans ever develop it--it seems most unlikely either Cetians or Centaurians can beat Sol to that punch, if it is ever coming here at all.

Fundamentally, based on the physics we think we know, FTL in any form is a deus ex machina. As a classic SF fan I favor it appearing at some point, but We Know Not The Day Nor The Hour, and unlike faithful Christians in that New Testament reference, we also lack any prophetic assurance the day or hour will ever come. Totally up to author discretion then.

Sticking to STL, some prior discussion and in other threads too suggests there is more than one way to skin a cat--for instance, while I much disbelieve that Turtledove's canon makes sense and approve the author's suggestion (I gather) that squaring the circle of Cetian ability to launch ships going at half the speed of light with the rather limited degree to which Cetian tech really much exceeds OTL known engineering possibilities by saying they lavished tremendous resources using well known technologies to essentially catapult the Fleets at Sol, and in so doing largely bankrupted the empire (hoping for a payoff in seizing rich Sol system which now will never emerge), there are more economical ways to expand beyond Sol proper, albeit to very short ranges and quite slowly. If we have a system where initially military outposts, essentially support for robot early warning posts in the direction of the Cetian empire and Alpha C, attract gradual peripheral "settlement" on the thin and vague boundary between Sol's outer Oort cloud reaches and interstellar space proper in the form of teeny lumps of matter scattered between the stars, we could creep along at a fraction of C finding little oases of small masses to build stations at. This distant halo of opportunism will not add much wealth to Sol system proper but it will perhaps provide convenient outer bases for gradually advancing more efficient technology to pick up the pace and leapfrog greater distances at sustainable cost. Given the basic dynamism of a united human species salted with the alien perspectives of several assimilated other species, even if FTL never eventuates, perhaps between fusion power enabling cruise speeds of say 1/10 C, perhaps enhanced with some manufactured antimatter for dense power storage, and some combination of cold sleep and Terran human life extension, all the uninhabited stars within say 10 LY will be gradually absorbed into the Solar sphere of influence. Certainly information communications, slow as lightspeed is, will be far faster than personal conveyance--and it ought to be possible to send some humans (or other member species) at much higher speeds at suitably high cost. So given some political wisdom and economic and social foresight, it should be possible to have a Sol centered interstellar commonwealth within say a century, or two anyway.

FTL, if that is ever in the cards, being invented any time in there changes the game (assuming it isn't ruinously expensive to use) and will trigger a Solar expansion rush leapfrogging dozens of light years or more out.

A conservative wait and see policy toward Tau Ceti and the other two Empire home systems seems prudent, albeit with some surveillance if that is feasible, watching in those directions but leaving well enough alone. I gather Alpha Centauri on the other hand is in crisis and ought to be investigated cautiously but closely, and quite possibly eventually incorporated into the Sol centered political system with Solar Fithip, by then generations integrated, facilitating this integration.
 
I gather Alpha Centauri on the other hand is in crisis and ought to be investigated cautiously but closely, and quite possibly eventually incorporated into the Sol centered political system with Solar Fithip, by then generations integrated, facilitating this integration.
Hearth is... not an issue at this point. A probe was sent to the Centauri system in the years prior to find out what happened to the fithp left behind and found nothing but overgrown traces of civilization. Which isn't to say that the Hearth fithp are gone necessarily -- orbital surveillance isn't going to pick up conclusive traces of small hunter-gatherer bands -- but the civilization that built the Message Bearer collapsed pretty thoroughly. Odds are good that eventually the Earth Fithp will return to Hearth and more-or-less recolonize it, but that is likely to be well outside the scope of this story.
 
once cold sleep tech is developed for Terrans
Cold sleep and relatively effective human STL travel technology was already developed. Did you forget about the Homeward Bound Project in the previous fic? And as @Mal-3 points out, Hearth is devoid of life (though they're incorrect on the count of it only being orbital examination- a number of landers and rovers also visited the surface of the planet in order to better look for Hearth fithp populations.

Also, for the love of Chin Chin, please make your comments smaller. They're often larger than my actual chapters.
 
Look, if you want to write a story about this, go write a story. but don't do it in this thread if the op doesn't want that.
 
A Patron Letter, written November 16th, 2041
To whomever is reading this,

So. Yeah. They tell me you had to read up on what happened here. That's good. When it comes to Earth (and I'm saying Earth, because you need to kick the habit of calling it Tosev Three if you want to avoid a bad time here), you can't take it in all at once. Trying to do that would be like to swallow a ktisnastawa egg whole, and you don't get the chance to spit it out when you realize you messed up.

So, to answer the basic questions. My name's Wallafess. Yeah, like the theatre actor from the early 90,000s. What can I say? The community leaders were big theatre fans. The hatchlings in my villa all had actor names. Ppalta, Xalalftin, etc. I was born in the Northern Dry Villa near Jossano, on Home, but I'm actually a Rabotev. Ninetieth generation, I think.

Things I like? That's a bit harder to answer. Lots of those answers would be related to stuff you've never heard of, or maybe even understand. At least, not yet, anyway. Hard to explain John Woo action movies or bubble tea if those are completely alien things to you.

Actually, I think that's a good way of answering it. I like Earth. I know, you must think I'm crazy. After reading the report, I imagine nearly all of you needed to dabble in the psychiatric supplies. Then again, you've got enough liver to agree to spending time on this strange planet, so maybe I'm not that crazy in your eye turrets.

If you want to know where I live, it's also hard to explain. I move from Free Zone to Free Zone a lot, but you're going to be living with me in the United States. It's one of the bigger nations (another word you better learn- pronounce it like nexin for a rough start), with about 350 million people living there. Probably would be higher, if it weren't for the fact one of us decided to push an Emperor-forsaken asteroid into the ocean near its south. Yeah, the United States used to have a bit of it that looked like an unfurled cloaca, but that doesn't exactly exist anymore.

Where we're living, the weather is pretty good year-round, but during this time period it might a bit too cold for your taste, and it's going to get colder. Better than the Salt Lake Free Zone, still. There, water gets so cold it turns to solid and falls from the sky. Pretty to look at, but only to look at.

Now, you're probably wondering about the locals. Humans (again, don't call them Tosevites if you like fun) are simultaneously less scary and scarier than you're probably expecting. No, they don't eat us- that was just a few crazy people during the war. No, they're not incredibly vicious warriors who seem to make up new technology from scraps at random moments- they can be just as nice and as dumb as the people you knew on Home. You might find your best friends among them.

But, some of them can be vicious fuckers. And yes, almost all of them you meet will be bigger and stronger than you, and a lot at that. They're capable of some fucked up things you've never dreamed of. Which leads me to the general rules of interacting with them.

1. Never be with a human alone. Most of them won't take advantage of that, but be worried about the few who would.

2. You will find some very abrasive ones out there, but they're all hiss and no bite. Ignore the profanities and threats they say, and focus on the quiet ones who seem too polite.

3. Don't call them Tosevites. The nice ones will get awkward or upset, the mean ones might try to pick a fight.

4. Don't argue about the war with them. I don't care if you think they're absolutely wrong. I don't care if they actually start the conversation. If you say anything contrary to their beliefs, they will get snippy.

5. On that note, never mention Straha around them, unless you're crassly insulting him. In just about everyone's eyes, he's the single greatest monster in history. And to be fair, I have to agree with that. Breaking the other rules might cause trouble. This one can easily get you put in the infirmary or morgue.

6. If you don't know how to diffuse a situation with an upset human, try to engage with them about human cultural stuff. Most of them really appreciate the effort, and talking about things they like is a good way of calming them down. Once you get more nuanced, insulting the stuff they don't like is even better. I once managed to prevent a fist-fight in Portugal by making jokes about how bad the Spanish soccer team was.

7. Don't let the above rules make you afraid of interacting with humans. Again, they can be some of the best people you will ever meet. These rules are for preventing worst case scenarios. You'll get a hang of it once you come down and follow me around.

Aside from those rules, the situation where I live, and so on, there's a few more things. Being a troopmale and all, I still maintain a bit of the discipline from before. I wake pretty early, and I like to keep my apartment clean. Don't expect to be able to come in and start leaving crumbs all over the Emperor-forsaken carpet. If you like chatting a lot, I'm ideal. If you like trying new things, I'm ideal.

Ginger? If you're Rabotev or Hallessi, you don't have to worry about addiction (though the smoked meats here are so tasty they might as well be addictive). But if you're not, be careful. Humans love the taste, so there's plenty of foods and drinks that contain it, even if it doesn't seem like it. Some restaurants here offer ginger-free menus. Lots of troopmales and humans think it's alright to use it, but I'm not exactly approving, and officially you're not allowed to sample it.

Last big guideline? Don't say anything remotely positive about Straha. I don't care if humans are around or not- if I find out you actually admire or support that Fucklord in any way, you won't need a shuttle to get back to the Fleet.

Finally, allow me to say this. Earth is one big, crazy place. Anything you can think of, in terms of activities or products or anything else, you can find here. And you'll find plenty of stuff you couldn't have thought of. It's easy to get swallowed up in it, lost in it. But ultimately, this place is what you make of it. You can find your own personal Heaven here, or you will find something out of your worst nightmares. It's all up to how you choose to view and do things while you're here.

Hopefully, you'll fall in love with this place. I know I did.

Your Hopeful Patron
 
5. On that note, never mention Straha around them, unless you're crassly insulting him. In just about everyone's eyes, he's the single greatest monster in history. And to be fair, I have to agree with that. Breaking the other rules might cause trouble. This one can easily get you put in the infirmary or morgue.
Last big guideline? Don't say anything remotely positive about Straha. I don't care if humans are around or not- if I find out you actually admire or support that Fucklord in any way, you won't need a shuttle to get back to the Fleet.
I'm getting the impression that he was writing the letter, put in the bullet point, and then the thought of someone actually talking about Straha around him just boiled lowly for a bit until he hit the point where he was writing about what he personally required, likely while reading off from a "here are points you should cover" list.
Mostly from how it was a professionally written bullet point, and then suddenly the direct message afterward.
 
I don't want to live in a world without Florida Man
If you remember someone, then they're never really gone.


On a less joking note, There's still land in Florida left, just not enough to maintain the distinct shape, and there was a considerable Floridian diaspora, which means that there are now sizable populations of Florida Men in all US states. So yes, they live on... not in our hearts, but in our bathrooms, where they're hiding so they can snort people's ashes in peace.
 
As long as there's one madman out there willing to snort bath salts, feed overgrown crocodiles bagels and chase police around a car park naked while yelling that they're gay for looking at his dick, then the spirit of Florida Man will live on.
There is something oddly beautiful and poetic in your words, something that strikes the chord of human endurance against unfathomable struggles.

And it's about fucking Florida Man.

Sometimes, it's the smallest or strangest things that really exemplify a theme.

In other news, I have a typhoon about to blast my ass like Operation Yi, so I might have some time to write another chapter tomorrow. I'm also wondering if/when this sequel fic should get a tropes page.
 
As long as there's one madman out there willing to snort bath salts, feed overgrown crocodiles bagels and chase police around a car park naked while yelling that they're gay for looking at his dick, then the spirit of Florida Man will live on.

Oh right that reminds me I need to catch up on my Radio Dead Air backlog.
 
As long as there's one madman out there willing to snort bath salts, feed overgrown crocodiles bagels and chase police around a car park naked while yelling that they're gay for looking at his dick, then the spirit of Florida Man will live on.
You know, I wonder if the internet of WF/TUN decided to keep the Florida Man meme alive just because they could? At least, as a new meme, The Ghost of Florida? I wouldn't put it past Humanity to do that.
 
There is something oddly beautiful and poetic in your words, something that strikes the chord of human endurance against unfathomable struggles.

And it's about fucking Florida Man.
To be fair, this is kinda what Worldfall is about.
Contrasting the dignity and determination of humanity with our craziness and humor was something I found incredibly touching and real in Worldfall, and I hope we see more of it here.
 
They say there is a whisper in the air, a distant echo. From Mauna Kea in Hawaii, to Utqiagvik in Alaska, to the Big Apple and to the City of Angels. Across the whole of the United States. There is a haunting taking place, ever since the Footfall. The Ghost of Florida walks in all of these places and more. He cares not for whether he should have survived the Footfall. He cares not for such petty things of order and reason. For he is Florida Man, he is The Ghost of Florida, and he cannot die. He lives on, even with the devastation to Florida from The Foot. Because he is not some insect that can be stepped on by some Alien Boot.

Florida Man lives on ...


Or at least, that's my poor little attempt at a meme. I sometimes do wonder at the things created by my mind.
 
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