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That Quarian fleet might just have enough exploration data on Pheonix Massing, Far Rim, and Perseus Veil, to tell us were our unactivated secondary relay leads.
 
If we can link up with the TJF we could have 2 visiting fleets in our territory. Hella strain on our logistics, but we'd be in a good position to attempt at reconnecting with the council/hegemony. That or a position to connect to Rannoch in some capacity.
This is actually a good point.
One of the major issues with interstellar warfare is logistics; you are limited by how far you can stage your forces by the reach of your supply lines.
But if there's a friendly military base in the area capable and willing to offer basing, repair and munitions, your operating tempo, range and duration goes up drastically.

Looks like we're going to have to prioritize Logistics.
 
[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
 
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Truly a contested vote.
Adhoc vote count started by Timewinders on Jan 22, 2018 at 12:13 PM, finished with 8353 posts and 46 votes.
 
[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
 
[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]

More of a token vote since it's a landslide. :p
 
Ok here is what I think happened. The terminus ad the Quarian both did assaults. The Ranchi halted their assault on council space and than launch a counter assault against the Quarians pushing them back as trapping their fleet.

The terminus is also making a push to council space so hopefully they are smart and also assault Nubian relay. Which means we have potentially 5 fleets in system killing Ranchi.

Ok course the problem I see with rescuing is that the Ranchi will be pursing the fleet and we will go up on the Rach list of threats even if we win.
 
If the Council focuses their eventual offensive on Hades Gamma by way of the Exodus Cluster while the Terminus and Rannoch secure Phoenix Massing and the Hades Nexus, then we'd just need to secure the Nubian Expanse and we could turn the outer rim of the galaxy into a logistics highway. It would hardly be a golden bullet, but getting inter-polity trade back up and having the ability to support offensives from any direction would be a huge advantage.

This also means that we can't afford to let Exodus fall. Then the Rachni will have a straight line to reinforce Hades Gamma, where right now it's cut off between us and the Hegemony.
 

@PoptartProdigy did we get map update or was it ignored?
Been sleeping/busy. Working with Versharl to get it updated now. Free info, though: all of your neighbor clusters are still Rachni-held.
EDIT: Btw Poptart, you haven't changed the description for the Council under the Diplomacy->Attention tab:
I'm waiting on that until this event chain is done first.
If it's possible Can we send both our Fleet and Explorer Corps? One is a hammer meant to blunt the enemy, while the other is a knife that strikes with (relative) precession.
The Explorer Corps are not yet at a point where they can meaningfully contribute to a fleet battle. The proposed option using them has them acting as blockade runners, which in and of itself puts a lot of risk on them. Other than that, they're still not ready for fleet actions.
So, I'm going to ask @PoptartProdigy, is there anything with a reasonable risk-reward balance our fledgling Explorer fleet could do to get us more advanced notice if the Rachni *did* come through Maroon and/or Hades Gamma during this op? Or does this necessarily involve jumping through those relays and being blown up inmediately?

Specifically the goal would be to get swift(er) notice to the battle and raiding fleets of any attack. Even by the sneaky Lystheni...

Hmm, now I'm thinking this is maybe similar to the 'raiding fleet recovery' stage of our Raiding doctrine? Attack an enemy held relay sufficiently to let an a friendly fleet (3RWF) come through? Would approaching it like that give us a higher chance of success, given our current doctrinal advantage? We know the 'window', it's 'now', right? Also, If we get to the relay, could we send a periodic stream of comms bouys through to let the 3RWF know we're engaged but holding the relay clear on the other side?
Not much, no. The option proposing their use is very much a Hail Mary. You could order them on scouting jumps. It would be tricky, mind.

And yes, there are many doctrinal similarities. You already are applying these lessons; that will be reflected in the battle to come (because at this point there's no use pretending the vote's going to turn any other way :p). Comm buoys require both sending and receiving nodes, so with the rachni buoys now locked out, just carting along your own would just mean towing expensive and delicate hardware into a combat zone.
Don't yet exist. If I've said they do somewhere, it was in error.
I assume Mira's going? Because I suspect we're gonna need that Martial 24

@PoptartProdigy , is there any chance of us getting that specific information about relative fleet sizes? Mira seems to have a rough idea of approximately the relative size of a "raiding fleet" to a "battle fleet," and she surely knows how large the Explorer Corps is.

Based on this knowledge, would the Explorer Corps represent a significant reinforcement to the approximate size Mira estimates/projects for the quarian fleet? One that is likely to increase the number of their ships that make it through the relay, assuming the quarians are being hard-pressed?

Or is the Explorer Corps too small to make much of a difference, even as supporting escorts for a larger fleet?
Fleet sizes-

...*blink*

I- surely I- at some point- *checks*

...well, this is embarrassing. It's not exact, but a Raiding Fleet is about half the size of a Battle Fleet. Slightly less than half, but only very slightly.

The Explorer Corps, on the other hand, is still militarily negligible. The first class of recruits after the pilot members is still in training, and their ships are still in production. At the moment, the current Corps is maybe usable as blockade runners, and even that's dicey. Thus the option for using them being high risk.
 
The Explorer Corps are not yet at a point where they can meaningfully contribute to a fleet battle. The proposed option using them has them acting as blockade runners, which in and of itself puts a lot of risk on them. Other than that, they're still not ready for fleet actions.

There we go then. Not much use for them in any write-in option. Cross your fingers for good rolls.

[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
 
Oh, and -10% public approval from vetoing the Bill of Declaration.

...Why in the fuck did we do this??? Even I was thinking it was too early, but after those posts from the QM EVERYONE should have been voting for independence. Seriously what the fuck people.

[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
 
@PoptartProdigy Thanks. And the Explorer fleet? I'm not sure what size of ships we're building to fit it out, and the eventual size? Frigates? Presumably they're built for independant operation for the most part.

[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
-[X] Fledgling Explorer fleet is on ready status to relay a message (if required) to 1BF/1RF if an attack on Virmire space does come through.

I'd like to think we could have an option at the time to insert the 1RF to raid, based on what happens during the battle and what we find out when we get there.


Also, Woo! Aside from fresh intel, possible friendly contact, and helping the 3RWF- Quarian ship tech?! Is theirs any good pre-exodus?
 
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...Why in the fuck did we do this??? Even I was thinking it was too early, but after those posts from the QM EVERYONE should have been voting for independence. Seriously what the fuck people.

[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]

"Bill to pass the bill" is the kind of bullshit worth clamping down on at a lot of costs.

And besides, we are now at, oh nooooes, 89% approval. The horror the horror.
 
@PoptartProdigy Thanks. And the Explorer fleet? I'm not sure what size of ships we're building to fit it out, and the eventual size? Frigates? Presumably they're built for independant operation for the most part.
Frigates, the existing Explorer-class corvettes. There are a few CL in production, but whether or not they should continue to be a feature of the Corps moving forward is an ongoing debate.
Also, Woo! Aside from fresh intel, possible friendly contact, and helping the 3RWF- Quarian ship tech?! Is theirs any good pre-exodus?
Not exceptionally.
 
The Explorer Corps, on the other hand, is still militarily negligible. The first class of recruits after the pilot members is still in training, and their ships are still in production. At the moment, the current Corps is maybe usable as blockade runners, and even that's dicey. Thus the option for using them being high risk.
So it looks like this is pretty much a no-go option. If the Explorer Corps were trained and firmly established I would certainly consider it. As of now it would be a suicide run.
There we go then. Not much use for them in any write-in option. Cross your fingers for good rolls.
Yeah. Looks like the option is this:

[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
Why in the fuck did we do this??? Even I was thinking it was too early, but after those posts from the QM EVERYONE should have been voting for independence. Seriously what the fuck people.

Dude. Really? It isn't that bad. We played the majority of this game at less than 89% approval. It's also 89% approval. That's still ridiculously huge, to the point that we are still politically untouchable.

We also have one option that straight up raises our approval, and we likely have more points coming in as our medical investment starts paying dividends.
 
[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]

I don't see much point in doing anything else.
 
...Why in the fuck did we do this??? Even I was thinking it was too early, but after those posts from the QM EVERYONE should have been voting for independence. Seriously what the fuck people.

After the posts from the GM, I'm surprised so many people still voted for independence. Whether you like Independence or not, the fact that they passed a bill that gave them carte blanche to draft a legally binding document is more than reason enough to veto it.

Hell, it could have been a vote to draft a declaration on not eating babies, and it still should have been veto'd.

A veto right is worth nothing if we don't get to veto the final document.

[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
 
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New map before the (very likely) Battle of the Nubian Expanse:

Couple of new things:
  • 2 brand new relays (Ardat Yaal and Brishak Expanse) courtesy of the Rachni.
  • Exodus Cluster in the hands of the Rachni. (Bad news for the Batarians)
  • Terminus Alliance lost Ninmah Cluster but might've gained The Phoenix Massing... or maybe the Quarians did. We don't know yet.

And my vote because I haven't done so yet:
[X] Go. Pull the 3rd out. [Assault the Nubian Expanse and attempt to clear a path for the 3rd RWF.]
 
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Ok, let's put some perspective on this approval rating we have here. I'll use a famous semi-modern US president for a benchmark.

We have an 89% approval rating right now.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, one of the most beloved US presidents had a peak approval rating of 83%. He was straight the fuck up, politically untouchable. Wartime leaders have massive political bargaining power and capture the minds of their people with almost every action. This goes double for military leaders like Mira. Every action she takes, every military victory, will energize the populace in her favor.

Frankly, we don't need to worry about approval much until we are in peace time. Even then, we have a proven track record of good decisions outside of military action. Our investment into infrastructure and the healthcare sectors are prime examples of this.

Edit: That doesn't mean we should blatantly ignore the approval rating. We should still do things with an eye for it and aim to keep it riding high. It just won't be hard I think.
 
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