Terminus Quest: A CKII Mass Effect Quest
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- United Kingdom
[ ][FLEET] Many Fleets. Smaller fleets will struggle to address determined resistance and force you to bring in reinforcements from other fleets, but can be produced in greater numbers, allowing you to more reliably cover ground.
[ ][DOCTRINE] Adopt Raiding Doctrine. Virmire faces a situation outside the planning of conventional military thinkers, and thus it is only fitting that you adopt a doctrine designed by Virmireans. You cannot hope to face the Rachni in the open once they truly turn their focus to you. Instead focus on slipping through their lines and striking at their rear, wreaking havoc and forcing them to split their focus a thousand ways. The chaos you leave in your wake will be your contribution to the struggle.
[ ][MARINES] Grant Tannuvael's request. Now that the fight is moving beyond your space, there is a need for an elite, navy-integrated ground force responsible for void-borne operations. Will require an eventual fleet-wide refit.
I am leaning towards these three options. We're not big enough to really try anything else, and many fleets comboes well with raiding.
[ ][DOCTRINE] Adopt Raiding Doctrine. Virmire faces a situation outside the planning of conventional military thinkers, and thus it is only fitting that you adopt a doctrine designed by Virmireans. You cannot hope to face the Rachni in the open once they truly turn their focus to you. Instead focus on slipping through their lines and striking at their rear, wreaking havoc and forcing them to split their focus a thousand ways. The chaos you leave in your wake will be your contribution to the struggle.
[ ][MARINES] Grant Tannuvael's request. Now that the fight is moving beyond your space, there is a need for an elite, navy-integrated ground force responsible for void-borne operations. Will require an eventual fleet-wide refit.
I am leaning towards these three options. We're not big enough to really try anything else, and many fleets comboes well with raiding.
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- Earth
Alright, second question. Would this apply to reinforcement fleets coming in from other clusters via the relays?
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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- Present
You're seriously overestimating our capabilities.
We're not big and important enough to paralyze the entire Rachni military machine.
Anyway, there's a basic cost benefit thing going on the Rachni side. They have to balance the benefit of our destruction with the military forces it will cost them. Raiding will dramatically spike the benefit side of the equation, while at the same time dropping the cost.
It is an invitation for an invasion.
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- USA
Okay so with that info I am for large fleets and the defensive doctrine so that we can hold our ground against the Rachini while we expand out and away from them into the rich territory we have found. For marines I favor the middle option for the time being in keeping with a defensive strategy that will see limited counter raids to try and destroy infrastructure supporting their attacks on us.
Even if they can rebuild what we destroy they still would need to take the time to do so. Basically since it is unlikely we can break them ourselves we want them to feel attacking us is not worth the effort.
Even if they can rebuild what we destroy they still would need to take the time to do so. Basically since it is unlikely we can break them ourselves we want them to feel attacking us is not worth the effort.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I really don't see how smaller fleets are easier to make.
If we choose to make two fleets half the size of a larger one it still takes the same amount of effort, not to mention more officers and a larger strain on logistics.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Yes. You would station, "floating," fleets on station at good relays for swift redeployment, and tweak your deployments until you had a good response time down.
The goal isn't to paralyze the entire Rachni military machine. It is to limit the operations of local fleets.
How well the doctrines work really depends on how logistics work in this quest. If it is like EU, where distance from supply depots is not a factor, the raiding doctrine is doomed to failure. If it is more like HOI, where supply losses compound on each other, it will be possible to destroy entire fleets by cutting off their supplies (and the fear of such will force the Rachni to defend their entire logistical trail, instead of mobilizing all of their ships into a single fleet to sweep us away).
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
It is indeed difficult to operate in the absence of a local supply base.
This seems like a good way to keep us from spreading ourselves thin. If we go for smaller fleets then we might be screwing ourselves when we're hit by a major offensive.
I'm imagining the island hopping campaign conducted during the Pacific Theater during WWII writ large. Could be useful down the line when the Krogan come onto the scene, we don't want the Council to hold us hostage by being the only ones who can finish off the Rachni.
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- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
Not really, while Rachi can survive on much more hostile worlds than most races they still hold many perfectly habitable (and thus invadable) garden worlds (or less habitable but not actively hostile dead worlds used for mining and such), which we are much more interested in anyway.
Citadel only really needed Krogans when it came to invading Rachi core worlds, which we not going to do (at least not for many decades, anyway. If we ever reach that stage we will probably have veteran army/marines in heavy power armor or something along those lines).
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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I don't see why you need the Krogan to kill of the Rachni.
Orbital bombardement covers a multitude of sins
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
As a reminder, everybody:
This result comes to you courtesy of a Greater Success. If it's up there, you have the ability to execute it.
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- Europe
You know, I said I didn't want to discuss the specifics about space combat but I don't see how this doctrine will work in practice. How are we supposed to "slip through their lines" when they can just guard their relays and fire on anything that arrives at their end? How are the ships supposed to be resupplied? How will they get back to our side of the relay?
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- Sydney
While I am far from an expert (not even superficial amateur level), I thought Bell's theorem only means there is no deeper level in a universe without FTL. In Mass Effect there is clearly unaccounted for variables.
-- We only need to cover a very small amount of ground. We only have one planet at the moment, and are not likely to have more than five.
--We cannot afford the causalities of many fleets
--Easiest, safest
--Does not inflict much damage on the Rachni
--Increased striking ability improves our chances of successfully penetrating Rachni lines to reach Citadel territory
--Good for damaging the Rachni
--Will convince them to prioritise our destruction
-- Suits our immediate situation
--Better once our fleets are engaging in active warfare.
I am leaning towards [FLEET] Large Fleets[DOCTRINE] Adopt Fleet Battle Doctrine[MARINES] Deny Tannuvael's request and building the best defences we can while developing the fleet. Then using the 'Large' 'Fleet Battle Doctrine' fleet to punch a hole through Rachni's fleets to the Citadel.
Once we have reinforcements from the Citadel, then I would switch to [DOCTRINE] Adopt Raiding Doctrine[MARINES] Grant Tannuvael's request.
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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- Present
We don't have the strategic depth to do that though. The enemy can resupply behind their own secure Relay, then punch straight through to ours and the capital.
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- Russia
But why would we want Many Fleets in defensive stance? If we don't go to any serious offensives, then we don't have many objectives to capture and then hold, so we don't need many fleets. As I see it, many fleets are better for more aggressive doctrines - raiding in particular.
I'm sure the Council tried that in canon, but the Rachni burrowed deep underground. You need boots on the ground to at best confirm that they're gone, or at worst burn them out of their hidey holes. Huh, reminds me of Starship Troopers really.
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- In a Fantasy
Because with Many Fleets we can better defend our different colonies then with Larger Fleet
If we try to defend everything, we'll succeed at defending nothing. It would make logistics simpler to defend key strategic areas and maintain large, highly mobile fleets.
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- Russia
Defend them from what exactly? Our cluster is a dead-end and while we control chokepoints - Attican Beta relay system and Sentry Omega relay system - Rachni cannot get to our colonies in Sentry Omega. Sentry Omega is such a good cluster that I don't foresee any need to seriously colonize Attican Beta in the near future, and by the time we decide to do it, it will be hopefully free from Rachni (and thus needing only large fleet in relay system). Of course, there is a possibility that there is a not-yet-discovered hostile polity in Sentry Omega, against which we will need our many fleets, but I prefer the option that lets us concentrate forces against known existentional threat.
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