Tangled Fate [Ranma 1/2 / Exalted]

I suppose it makes sense if they're facing Scrublord Nublets in the middle of Nowhere of the Realm.

I can only imagine how bad it could be if they were, instead, in Gem.
 
I suppose it makes sense if they're facing Scrublord Nublets in the middle of Nowhere of the Realm.

I can only imagine how bad it could be if they were, instead, in Gem.
But I can't.

So could you possibly explain further? I really only have the foggiest of foggy ideas of the lore of Exalted.

And apparently part of what I thought I knew seems to be incorrect?

Because I thought all the Exalted saw the Sun guy, but only Kodachi has, and Ryoga saw the Moon?
 
But I can't.

So could you possibly explain further? I really only have the foggiest of foggy ideas of the lore of Exalted.

And apparently part of what I thought I knew seems to be incorrect?

Because I thought all the Exalted saw the Sun guy, but only Kodachi has, and Ryoga saw the Moon?
Sun exalted see the sun guy, moon exalted see the moon gal, star exalted see whatever star sister they work for. Robot exalted see autobot, I think, and dragon exalted don't see anybody.
 
But I can't.

So could you possibly explain further? I really only have the foggiest of foggy ideas of the lore of Exalted.

And apparently part of what I thought I knew seems to be incorrect?

Because I thought all the Exalted saw the Sun guy, but only Kodachi has, and Ryoga saw the Moon?

Gem would be bad because some douche canoe by the name of Mask of Winters, in a fit school girl level pettiness wanted to tell the rest of the Deathlords that yes! He was just as pretty as First and Forsaken Lion and proceeded to conquer Gem with his Deathknights and army of undead monster ghost thing abominations.

It's very bad. Gem goes boom.

Unfortunately, enough people survive the Fall of Gem that they know Mask of Winters is a thing, the rest of the Deathlords mock him for blowing his load early, and he's in a weakened position of having to defend the newly conquered city and try to maintain status in the Underworld.
 
They were facing regular soldiers, four Dragon Lords (Major/Colonel), two magistrates and most of the Dragon-Blooded Bureaucrats in Greyfalls. The Satrapy not the city. Being Dynasts they have some skill in war(For DBs), but they're first and foremost bureaucrats.

Then there's the fact that you're trying to compare apples to oranges. Here's an example of Ranma 1/2 vs Exalted. Ranma, Ryouga and Mousse generally consider throwing 5 ton boulders around to be along the lines of picking up a jug of milk. For comparison lifting that 5 ton boulder with 1 hand, which is what Ranma and Co. use for it, is a strength 13+ feat according to the Exalted 3e sourcebook. That doesn't even include throwing it. No mortal human in creation can manage more than a maximum of ten dice. Five strength, and five athletics. Unless you count some of the very strange rules in (I think?) the scroll of heroes in 2e. Dragon-Blooded are the weakest exalts, numerous enough to form an army, but not strong enough to cast down the Primordials of old. They have limits. Those limits put their most gifted on levels that would allow them to fight against Ranma and Ryouga (As they were before exaltation) on even ground. If they burned enough essence they could probably become temporarily greater, but only for a short period.

I've inserted Ranma 1/2 into Exalted without nerfing their accomplishments (Unlike so many authors). They are this dangerous, and only an experienced Celestial or an ancient and powerful Dragon-Blooded should attempt to fight them directly. Attempting otherwise? They just beat down just under half a Realm Legion and the entire Dragon-Blooded population of the Satrap. Not because of those soldiers incompetence, but because post-Manga Ranma and Ryouga are that skilled, fast, and strong.


On a side note I'd like to add before anyone (And I know someone will think this) I'm not saying they are more powerful than exalts. Exaltation is a different power than what they wield. They are masters of their martial arts, but unlike Celestial Exalts they have limits. Limits they hadn't reached, but they are there. Were there. Unlike the Solars they'd never be able to confront the Primordials and, doing the impossible, slay them. They could thrown down with Behemoths, cast down second circle (And if they got lucky third circle) demons, and fight untold legions of the wyld's horrors. But they cannot reach those absolute levels required to make the impossible reality. That is a level of power reserved only for the Exalted.

To mistake Ranma and co. for Creation's mortals? Foolish. They are capable of, physically, so much more. I could have cut that down, like so many people have in Fanfiction before. I've seen them gunned down, stabbed by to near death by an average mugger, and million other fates in stories before. It would be a disservice to their characters, and my story, to do so. They can punch faster than a minigun can shoot bullets, take blows that would destroy boulders/cars/buildings without flinching, and do many more feats besides. The Dragon-Blooded have limits. They just happen to be lower than Ranma's.

Gem would be bad because some douche canoe by the name of Mask of Winters, in a fit school girl level pettiness wanted to tell the rest of the Deathlords that yes! He was just as pretty as First and Forsaken Lion and proceeded to conquer Gem with his Deathknights and army of undead monster ghost thing abominations.

It's very bad. Gem goes boom.

Unfortunately, enough people survive the Fall of Gem that they know Mask of Winters is a thing, the rest of the Deathlords mock him for blowing his load early, and he's in a weakened position of having to defend the newly conquered city and try to maintain status in the Underworld.
Thorns is where you mean. Gem is in the far south.... And yes landing there would have been far worse, though it would have certainly been impressive. (In a, oops we wrecked most of the city on the way out sorta way... Probably wouldn't have killed any of the Abyssals though)


But I can't.

So could you possibly explain further? I really only have the foggiest of foggy ideas of the lore of Exalted.

And apparently part of what I thought I knew seems to be incorrect?

Because I thought all the Exalted saw the Sun guy, but only Kodachi has, and Ryoga saw the Moon?
You can check out my informational posts. I've included a bunch on information on Exalted and my writing thought process. Feel free to ask any questions you still have afterwards.
 
The benefits of being from and training under a different Cosmology. Most impressive, also, while possibly a greater risk of death in training, no need to worry about exploding from attempting to be initiated into a higher tier of martial art.
 
That's sidereals for you.

After a certain point, Sidereals stop kicking and punching you and start kicking and punching reality.

I suppose since they're from Outside of creation, they they don't have to worry about a master of the Charcoal March of Spiders style using Pattern Spider Touch, the infamous punch someone so hard they turn into a duck technique (though Charcoal March of Spiders has a whole lot of nasty stuff in it, just the same).

But on the other hand, they were valid targets for exalting, so who can say?

Edit: God, it's been a while since I looked through the Sidereal styles, but holy shit all of them are insane bullshit.

Violet Biers of Sorrow style might be the more normal of the bunch.
 
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That's sidereals for you.

After a certain point, Sidereals stop kicking and punching you and start kicking and punching reality.

I suppose since they're from Outside of creation, they they don't have to worry about a master of the Charcoal March of Spiders style using Pattern Spider Touch, the infamous punch someone so hard they turn into a duck technique (though Charcoal March of Spiders has a whole lot of nasty stuff in it, just the same).

But on the other hand, they were valid targets for exalting, so who can say?

Edit: God, it's been a while since I looked through the Sidereal styles, but holy shit all of them are insane bullshit.

Violet Biers of Sorrow style might be the more normal of the bunch.
Yeah sidereal martial arts are bullshit. I'm both looking forward to a fight between Ranma and a Sidereal, and dreading it, because this is going to get weird.
 
The best part is if the sid is an ally, we hey a I don't need to hold back from both sides.

If an enemy, victory will be redefined as not being killed and survive the fight. And the next dozen encounters with said sid.

Sure, SMAs are kitchsy one trick ponies, but they do that one trick very well.

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And not just well, but well enough that once you see it once you're like "i've seen it once, won't work on me now!" And then the Sidereal tricks you again. The same exact way, because sidereals are bullshit.

Oh, hey. Here's a charm that lets me turn you into a duck!

Or wait, lemme instead use this other martial art charm that infects you with super spiritual EMOTIONS AIDS!

Or the one that's basically: Who needs other exalts? I can be a perfect circle on my own!

I wanna apologize, but SMAs are hella bullshit. Especially when you realize that every single sidereal is at once a kung fu killer of immaculate skill and ability.

... and they're a bunch of paper pushing salarymen for the Celestial Bureaucracy.
 
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Honestly the biggest advantage an exalt of any kind have over a Ranma-Verse Martial Artist is that... well, it's in the name, really. A Ranma-Verse Martial Artist can do horrible horrible things with martial arts skills to a much greater degree then seen in exalted, from the strength comparisons that just got posted to all the other weird stuff we see them pull in the show... but all of that is martial arts stuff in the end, and primarily devoted to hitting each other.

Exalts get things like 'Bureaucracy Charms' or 'Lore Charms' or even 'War Charms' which the Martial Artist isn't competing with because they don't really have any equivalent. Sure, there's stuff like 'Martial Arts Tea Ceremony', but that's not really about better Tea Ceremony, that's about being able to use Martial Arts in a Tea Ceremony. Martial Artists might have an (considerable) excellence advantage over the average exalt, but the exalt is going to have depth and breadth beyond what the martial artist can have. Of course, that doesn't keep said exalt from being beaten like a bongo drum when it comes to an actual fight...

(The last point is that while people like Ranma and Ryouga do exist, they're on the top of the peak, and most Ranma-Verse style martial artists of equivalent age category/time training aren't going to be as impressive... Witness how Ryu wasn't a pushover, but treated the single dragonblood he was fighting like a proper and respectable foe, verses the carnage Ryouga and Ranma were causing.)
 
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That's largely true, but don't discount some of the more estotic Ranma 1/2 Martial Arts techniques. There are a lot of Ranma techniques that aren't really to hit things with that use Martial Arts.

For example, the Shishi Hōkōdan is a mining technique, as is the Breaking Point IIRC. Tofu, Ku Lon and Happosai all have demonstrated some pretty estotic knowledge of using pressure poitns to manipulate chi/essence flows from things like just removing feelings in an arm up to things like the Cat's Tongue.

There are things like Herb's ability to levitate with the power of his chi (though that's certainly not widespread, since its mostly because he has the blood of dragons to call on).

Certainly Martial Arts Caligraphy has some pretty weird shit going down like the Mark of Battling Gods that can be used to increase somebody's power.

Exalted have much wider uses of their power, but there are a lot of Martial Arts styles/abilities in Ranma 1/2 that pretty damn potent.
 
The Shishi Hōkōdan is called a mining technique, but it would be more accurately called a miner's technique. Unless I'm remembering wrong, the Shishi Hōkōdan is a technique for using when you get trapped in a cave in, and are slowly dying from lack of fresh air. In such a situation, you take all your horrible depression about your soon to be horrible lingering death, and then you blast a hole through the roof all the way up to the surface so you can get out alive.

While that's probably useful for any miner that has to worry about cave ins (IE, basically all of them, specially before modern mining stuff gets invented), it's not really a technique useful for actually, like, mining shiny and or useful things.

And the Breaking Point was an Amazon technique, I don't remember any statement on what they really used it for? (And I was somewhat under the impression the real point in learning the breaking point was the increased toughness?) Well, the Breaking Point might actually be useful for mining whatever it gets used for in canon, I'll grant that one. (Though the question of 'and how will we convince these miners to let us tie them up, hang them by their ankles, and then hit them with boulders' still applies before that would ever happen in Creation).

Anyway, there is some crossover, but that crossover is all 'using martial arts in X manner', the exalted still have stuff like 'now I am commanding my forces like I'm in an RTS' or 'I know where you consider home just by walking by you'. Or just Bureaucracy charms, which I've already mentioned but are worth repeating because of just how bullshit they can be, the 'instant education' charms you can find in lore...

Well, Ranma-Verse Martial Artists can do a lot of strange stuff if they know the right style, that's 100% true, and push the edges around what is martial arts and what isn't. But it's all weird martial arts stuff in the end, where exalts can do weird 'insert subject here' stuff.
 
Witness how Ryu wasn't a pushover, but treated the single dragonblood he was fighting like a proper and respectable foe, verses the carnage Ryouga and Ranma were causing.
Ryu was also limited by not using the Yama-Sen-Ken. Otherwise he would have butchered the whole lot in seconds.
 
The material? Maybe? Creation has been around longer than anyone really knows so it is possible that there might be some? On the other hand Oil is an element of Auto' not Creation. Tar pits are a thing, and there are other sources of oil. Fueling the vehicles is going to be a major problem in the midterm at least.
I assume you're referring to the type 96, when you say LAV.
It's a diesel: Find 'sweet' tar pits. Siphon. Odds of a JGSDF trooper or officer knowing how to do so? out of 200? about 100%
Same with actually making propellant (at least 1870's level)
remember: Japanese education when you compare secondary schools is far better than most think. Someone who's done the full Japanese science high school run has what the US would consider Gen Chem I and II at the least.


So, yeah, resupplying isn't really as huge of an issue as you think. The issue is the finicky bits of modern production: Which, given this is Nerima... odds are it's possible.
 
Ryu was also limited by not using the Yama-Sen-Ken. Otherwise he would have butchered the whole lot in seconds.
Perhaps the Fiancee Squad, pre any exaltations or such, could be a better example of 'average Ranma-Verse martial artist whom is not an excellent prodigy'? Or J Random Enemy Of the Episode. But the point I was trying to make was that Ranma and Ryouga and yes, Ryu as well, are all at the (sometime literal) bleeding edge of talent for their age category, so 'Ranma and Ryouga can do it' is not really evidence that J Random Nerima Martial Artist will also be able to pull that level of feat off.

After all, if someone is the best, there's probably a good amount more people whom are merely average...

Of course, in Exalted-Verse terms, any 'average' mortal being able to punch it out with an exalt is still a big upset to the power scale that is.

So, yeah, resupplying isn't really as huge of an issue as you think. The issue is the finicky bits of modern production: Which, given this is Nerima... odds are it's possible.
Small batch lots wouldn't be that surprising, yah. The real trick will be to get it to mass production scale so it's not just another 'that strange native trick faction X has'.
 
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While all that's been said of Martial Arts from Ranma vs Exalted is true, it gets tossed out the window once you get to Sidereals.

Mastery of an SMA lets you do stupid shit.

"Awww, but those cost like 20 motes a pop!" To which I reply any exalt over Ess 6 (which is what a Sidereal needs to do the really stupid nonsensical shit in SMAs) that can't end a fight with more motes then what they started with is the scrubbiest of scrublord scrublets.

A Celestial Martial Artist is described as being able to break a city in half like a mortal would break a brick and capable of leaping over a mountain.

A Sidereal Martial Arts is described as being able to break a soul in half, and leaping from Creation to Yu-Shan (which isn't on the same plane).

It's also worth mentioning that the Exalts that were in the Primordial War, that did the impossible? To bring down, defeat, and slay the Primordials? They were averaged out to Ess 5.
 
This could be accomplished as either: Manse, Demesne, or Sorcerous Working.
My knowledge of Exalted is spotty at best, but I can think of a few more possibilities:

-Jusenkyo is an artifact, that works a lot like an Alchemical vat complex. Someone dies in a pool, and the pattern of their essence is turned into a charm. Someone else enters into a pool, and they get auto-slotted with a permanent charm that shapeshifts them into the stored pattern. If used on someone with too low essence (say <2) it becomes toggled by water, so that mortals can be able to use it, while higher-essence targets are supposed to toggle it manually (with their own essence). The essence cost may be minimal (<<1) and supplied by the target, or it may be supplied by Jusenkyo.
This could have been designed as a poor-man's lunar shapeshifting, that you can also grant to other people. However, the artifact became (or always was) sentient, didn't get used for millennia, and now is bored, pissed off, and trolling everyone who falls in instead of being helpful like it was supposed to be. Without jusenkyo being able to reach Ranma in Creation (and with his increased essence), he would have to learn to use the installed charm.

-Jusenkyo is actually on the back of a giant buried behemoth (or has a pretty strong local god or something), and falling into one of the pools turns you into a mini-exigent with a single slotted charm.

-The water of jusenkyo is actually an elemental (or behemoth or some other kind of life form). When you drink (or whatever) the water, you wind up with a parasitic elemental living inside your blood/body, which has a charm that forcibly shapeshifts you and maybe a fate charm for causing water to fall on you.

The problem with Jusenkyo being a manse, demense, artifact, or behemoth is that the water can be used if barrelled and taken away- the magic seems to be in the water, which makes the parasitic elemental theory actually seem most plausible to me. Perhaps Jusekyo is a demense that causes people that drown to turn into parasitic elementals that shapeshift people into things like their original bodies.
 
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My knowledge of Exalted is spotty at best, but I can think of a few more possibilities:

-Jusenkyo is an artifact, that works a lot like an Alchemical vat complex. Someone dies in a pool, and the pattern of their essence is turned into a charm. Someone else enters into a pool, and they get auto-slotted with a permanent charm that shapeshifts them into the stored pattern. If used on someone with too low essence (say <2) it becomes toggled by water, so that mortals can be able to use it, while higher-essence targets are supposed to toggle it manually (with their own essence). The essence cost may be minimal (<<1) and supplied by the target, or it may be supplied by Jusenkyo.
This could have been designed as a poor-man's lunar shapeshifting, that you can also grant to other people. However, the artifact became (or always was) sentient, didn't get used for millennia, and now is bored, pissed off, and trolling everyone who falls in instead of being helpful like it was supposed to be. Without jusenkyo being able to reach Ranma in Creation (and with his increased essence), he would have to learn to use the installed charm.

-Jusenkyo is actually on the back of a giant buried behemoth (or has a pretty strong local god or something), and falling into one of the pools turns you into a mini-exigent with a single slotted charm.

-The water of jusenkyo is actually an elemental (or behemoth or some other kind of life form). When you drink (or whatever) the water, you wind up with a parasitic elemental living inside your blood/body, which has a charm that forcibly shapeshifts you and maybe a fate charm for causing water to fall on you.

The problem with Jusenkyo being a manse, demense, artifact, or behemoth is that the water can be used if barrelled and taken away- the magic seems to be in the water, which makes the parasitic elemental theory actually seem most plausible to me. Perhaps Jusekyo is a demense that causes people that drown to turn into parasitic elementals that shapeshift people into things like their original bodies.
There's a WoG on Jusenkyo somewhere on the thread. Just look through the informational threadmarks and you should find it.
 
I assume you're referring to the type 96, when you say LAV.
Komatsu LAV - Wikipedia I might have... not mentioned I moved the timeline closer to modern day to make research easier on myself. Doesn't effect anything beyond what equipment they have access to, and even then not much. Frankly a Type 96 would be significantly better than what they have. Also if I was going to call anything an LAV it would be the Type 89 and that's technically an IFV officially.

The problem with Jusenkyo being a manse, demense, artifact, or behemoth is that the water can be used if barrelled and taken away- the magic seems to be in the water, which makes the parasitic elemental theory actually seem most plausible to me. Perhaps Jusekyo is a demense that causes people that drown to turn into parasitic elementals that shapeshift people into things like their original bodies.
The products of a Demesne can be transported and retain their effects. It does depend on the demesne and its effects. Still I do like some of the ideas you came up with. If I'd been setting this in the Ranma 1/2 universe they'd have been interesting possible plot points.

Perhaps the Fiancee Squad, pre any exaltations or such, could be a better example of 'average Ranma-Verse martial artist whom is not an excellent prodigy'?
Not really? Shampoo is the best in her age group and people, Ukyo somehow keeps up, and Akane was among the best pre-manga in Nerima. Actually getting an idea of the average is difficult though since we don't really see average in the story. What is noticeable though is that being extraordinary isn't impossible, and sorta common, when compared to mortals in Creation. Finding someone would could fight a DB on even foot, whether they win or not I have no idea, isn't that difficult. If fact I'd say they're probably more common than exalted are. (Which really should have some interesting implications for their military, but hey Comedy!)

While all that's been said of Martial Arts from Ranma vs Exalted is true, it gets tossed out the window once you get to Sidereals.

Mastery of an SMA lets you do stupid shit.

"Awww, but those cost like 20 motes a pop!" To which I reply any exalt over Ess 6 (which is what a Sidereal needs to do the really stupid nonsensical shit in SMAs) that can't end a fight with more motes then what they started with is the scrubbiest of scrublord scrublets.

A Celestial Martial Artist is described as being able to break a city in half like a mortal would break a brick and capable of leaping over a mountain.

A Sidereal Martial Arts is described as being able to break a soul in half, and leaping from Creation to Yu-Shan (which isn't on the same plane).

It's also worth mentioning that the Exalts that were in the Primordial War, that did the impossible? To bring down, defeat, and slay the Primordials? They were averaged out to Ess 5.
Using the Exalted Third Edition Essence system for this one, but you are correct. Once Sidereal martial arts get involved things get weird. There's a reason people consider Scroll of the Monk to be garbage, and its not because what's inside is fair and balanced.

It's a diesel: Find 'sweet' tar pits. Siphon. Odds of a JGSDF trooper or officer knowing how to do so? out of 200? about 100%
Same with actually making propellant (at least 1870's level)
remember: Japanese education when you compare secondary schools is far better than most think. Someone who's done the full Japanese science high school run has what the US would consider Gen Chem I and II at the least.


So, yeah, resupplying isn't really as huge of an issue as you think. The issue is the finicky bits of modern production: Which, given this is Nerima... odds are it's possible.

Wouldn't be as good for the engines, but yeah I can see that. Also, did not know that.

Small batch lots wouldn't be that surprising, yah. The real trick will be to get it to mass production scale so it's not just another 'that strange native trick faction X has'.
That's the big issue really.
 
My recommendation is, when Sids show up, have an enemy Sid and an ally Sid and stick to VBoS style, at first.

Let the group come to terms, then bring in the off the wall crap.
 
Ranma, Ryouga and Mousse generally consider throwing 5 ton boulders around to be along the lines of picking up a jug of milk. For comparison lifting that 5 ton boulder with 1 hand, which is what Ranma and Co. use for it, is a strength 13+ feat according to the Exalted 3e sourcebook.

You're estimating the apparent size in the manga and using common rock density to get the weight I guess?
Now I'd really like to see well argued stats for the NWC done in D&D and Marvel Super Heroes RPG (since I'm more familiar with those systems than with DC/Blood of Heroes or Hero System) :)
 
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