I lost track of how any of this has to do with Mistborn's original points a long time ago and thing
@Mistborn and
@Fandom Lord are talking past each other/have gone off into an incoherent wilderness.
I have provided an amalgamation of how I saw the arguments if this helps recover the path.
Mistborn's Original Position as stated:
1.There is ablist discourse that gets a pass because white nerds are the target.
2.There is a caricature of the White Nerd in progressive discourse that strongly resembles people on the autistic spectrum.
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1KBestK attacks point 2 By Implying they do not unless forms of bigotry are autism symptoms now.
Chloe Attacks Point 2 By asking for examples, a definition of progressive discourse, and an explanation of how ASD relates to those.
Broken Base downplays what I presume to be point 1 as something that just needs calling out when it comes up and reading social anxiety as an autism symptom, calls point 2 reductionist to offensive, going on to call the comparison between nerds and the neurologically atypical offensive to actual Neurotypical/Atypical(I don't know which was meant, atypical would make more sense but broken said neurotypical) and opportunistic.
Fandom Lord attacks point 2 by denying the existence of the caricature and citing their autistic status.
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Mistborn calls out Broken base for putting words in their mouth, reiterating their first point and considers a potential extension/principle, "we shouldn't condone the categorical othering of any group no matter how privileged, because it always ends up reinforcing problematic shit." Mistborn goes on to link these tumblr posts as insight into their perspective, using the existence of the fat caricature on tumblr as evidence the caricature he proposes in his second original point exists. If you assume everything those caricature's like is autistically coded he has proven his point 2. If you do not, he has proven the existence of an ablist/non body positive movement in progressive discourse/at least provided evidence for point 1.
Edit: Link to Mistborn's post since I can't link to the Tumblr material without embedding it it seems.
SV does not have an odd problem with bigotry | Page 2
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Broken Base apologizes for the misunderstanding while expressing concern about Mistborn equating people on the spectrum to white nerds.
Fandom Lord calls Mistborn out on making false equivalencies, going on to link this comic
Autism Isn't To Blame For Bad Behavior and accusing Mistborn of feeding stereotypes.
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Mistborn denies feeding stereotypes/making false equivalencies, restating their position as:
"The discourse of othering vaguely defined privileged groups allow problematic views to spread under the cover of social justice. Therefor we should be less willing to other people and less willing to make uncharitable assumptions about people who object to othering language."
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Fandom Lord says Mistborn has failed to prove this and accuses Mistborn of attacking disadvantaged groups, claiming Mistborn's point has already been addressed by the Body Positivity movement. There's also this point which I'm not sure I've grokked. "Like always a problem claimed to be afflicting the privileged is actually just a negative side effect of the system that keeps their privilege intact." My best guess is Fandom Lord is saying the Ablist discourse against white nerds is a negative side effect of the system that ensures white nerd privilege and therefore they should not complain.
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Mistborn attacks Fandom Lord for implying the ablist discourse against white nerds is acceptable and something social justice activists should encourage.
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Fandom Lord attacks mistborn for ignoring the other part of what they said and calls Mistborn's arguments whataboutism.
Chloe attacks Mistborn's linked blogposts as not addressing anything except maybe providing an example.
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Mistborn Responds to Fandom by calling out demands for citations while Fandom provides none, and accusing Fandom of misusing whataboutism. Also by bringing up how just because it's being addressed doesn't mean you shouldn't call it out when you see it.
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Fandom Lord accuses mistborn of claiming people are defending the caricatures/denying they are ablist/body shaming, going on to invoke their autistic status again and accusing mistborn of making false equivalencies/refusing to address what's actually being said.
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Mistborn acknowledges common recognition of the neckbeard caricature as bad as the basis for their argument, going on to say such things are an inevitable product of othering discourse and saying every caricature will be somehow problematic.
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Fandom Lord accuses Mistborn of retreating to new positions every time someone points out how they're wrong or pointing out harmful stereotypes.
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Mistborn accuses fandom lord of not understanding their position enough to contradict, much less create a coherent response, and expresses frustration with having restated their position repeatedly.
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Fandom Says multiple people have attacked Mistborn's position properly.
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Mistborn disagrees, "When I say that the caricature of the other within social justice discourse is autistically coded that's not me saying a mean thing about autistic people. That's me pointing out something in the discourse that I think is bad for autistic people."
