Suffer No More (Cultivation, Worm)

This is one of the things I have been loking for, as an avid wuxia style and worm reader. At one point i decided to try to write but my skills are lacking in that front so ty
 
Very tentatively interested in this. The non-Worm side of the crossover seems a little unexplained or just hard to grasp without prior knowledge since you're practically tossing out terms every other sentence without giving any sort of explanation or hint as to what they mean.

But other than that your writing is pretty good, and the general premise sounds interesting.

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Might want to use less of a Zaglo (or whatever it's called) effect. I can understand the desire to make the text look somewhat other, but you can do it without going overboard and making words borderline unreadable or frustrating to read.

Everybody in the way of Amelia and Taylor's happiness can die in a ditch with cancer.
No they can't. They're too busy begging Panacea to heal their cancer so they're not about to die from it. ;)
 
I think I see what the issue is. 'Sorry' has two primary definitions. (1)Feeling Compasion or regret towards a person, or (2) being in a poor state of condition. So honestly, the issue isn't the word sorry. No, there is a word wrong in the sentence though. It's 'to'. It should be 'for'.

'to' is the preposition 'in the direction of'. 'for' is the preposition 'in the consideration of'. So swap those out, and the sentence works with sorry.

I'd rather be sorry for the world than have the world be sorry for me
 
Quite a few people seem bewildered by the non-Worm side of this cross. This is odd; after all, Dragon Ball Z exists and this "cultivation" is, near as I can tell, basically exactly the same thing except that humans can get as powerful as Saiyans here. The rest is just flavour text.

Anyway, watched. Big fan of qi/chi/ki manipulation as a power-up and seeing it contrast with Worm's Kardashev-Yes science-magic powers pleases me greatly.
 
It's not quite the same Razor. Having not read the crossover series (but being an intense gaming/RPG nerd), it seems to me that Cultivation is taking in a matter/energy (depending on your style of the technique) from an external source and converting it into your personal power. At the same time, your genetic makeup can be more or less attuned to the ACT of converting the external energy into your own internal energy/power. And that genetic component can be used (forcibly and non-forcibly) by other users of the Cultivation technique to increase their own ability to convert the external energy source to personal energy.

To use your DBZ reference, it has more in common with the Spirit Bomb technique than anything else in DBZ.

Saiyans don't convert external energy into personal energy. Instead, they have a ridiculous capacity to increase their personal reserves of energy, as well as the ability to channel and project that energy to perform superhuman feats of strength. With the addition that if an attack injures them severely but doesn't kill them, then it not only increases their capacity, but increases their ability to channel internal energy.

Not really the same as cultivation at all.
 
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It's not quite the same Razor. Having not read the crossover series (but being an intense gaming/RPG nerd), it seems to me that Cultivation is taking in a matter/energy (depending on your style of the technique) from an external source and converting it into your personal power. At the same time, your genetic makeup can be more or less attuned to the ACT of converting the external energy into your own internal energy/power. And that genetic component can be used (forcibly and non-forcibly) by other users of the Cultivation technique to increase their own ability to convert the external energy source to personal energy.
This is closer but also not exactly right.
This is a list of common terms in the xianxia and wuxia genres and this is a basic primer on the Dao that a lot of xianxia draws from.
TLDR; Mortals take in the energy of heaven and earth to purge themselves of impurities and become immortal, both by age and durability. This is often split into various "realms" of which Saint tends to be pretty high and comes with the side effect of Weeaboo Fightan' Magicks and, based on most of what I read, a massive ego coupled with a lack of morals. There was actually a game here where the researcher MC theorized that Qi drove people insane.
Fun Fact: Cultivation was inspired by the Taoist belief that upon reaching enlightenment of the Dao, one would become immortal as well as gain the abilities of flight and sustaining oneself for a year on a single drop of dew.
 
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Most Cultivators in cultivation novels are complete and utter amoral bastards of human scumbags that believe in stepping all over the weak and becoming stronger without regard to others livelihoods.

Even the main characters are not exception to this at times since it shows them basically doing the same thing at those times. And when they do so it suppose to a humorous affair for the readers and a way that we suppose to cheer for them.
 
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While I don't understand what's happening in the Cultivation parts of the chapter, I'm not overly concerned about not understanding it. We're only one chapter in which isn't much time to go into details, so I'm assuming that later chapters will be more informative because they'll deal with less things so it's less likely to come across as an exposition dump.

Even the main characters are not exception to this at times since it shows them basically doing the same thing at those times.
Which doesn't paint the prettiest picture for Taylor's current mindset...
 
Most Cultivators in cultivation novels are complete and utter amoral bastards of human scumbags that believe in stepping all over the weak and becoming stronger without regard to others livelihoods.

Even the main characters are not exception to this at times since it shows them basically doing the same thing at those times. And when they do so it suppose to a humorous affair for the readers and a way that we suppose to cheer for them.
I especially hate it when they shit on the other people for being vain and cruel.
Which doesn't paint the prettiest picture for Taylor's current mindset...
Taylor is actually much healthier than most Xianxia protags. If she were them, she would have sworn vengeance on the unfair world and started murdering everybody. Just becoming a (currently) platonic yandere for the first person to help her and stopping actively trying to not fuck shit up is a huge step up.
 
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I tried looking it up but it seems inconclusive. It is a fairly unusual construction, but I don't think the structure is actually wrong. I get what you're saying about the infinitive verbs, but in this case the "to [noun]" construction is using the "to" as a preposition for targeting the noun rather than as part of the infinitive form of the verb. Sorry doesn't get used this way often because it comes up as direct dialogue most of the time, but if one tried to convey an idea like "Don't be sorry to me. Be sorry to Father Mike," (Grey's Anatomy, S4, Ep 11, 13:17 in this video, or this script) then it becomes relevant, especially if the speaker didn't want to imply that merely "saying sorry" was sufficient, but to actually "be sorry". Some other more common examples would include the scandal apology "I am sorry to all my fans, my friends, my family, and everyone else who has supported me." These all use the "[be] sorry to [noun target]" construction (the second example's "am" is first-person conjugate form of "be"). While there might be better ways to say it, I haven't thought of one yet, so I'll leave it for now.
I see your point with those examples, though none of them are phrase exactly like yours is, which goes back to my complaint about it being awkwardly constructed. I think I have a better understanding of what you're trying to get across now though and perhaps a better idea of why it seemed so jarring to me. The phrase implies that the world was sorry to Taylor which never seemed to be the case, from the few snippets you showed the world just continuously dumped on her in both lives so perhaps that is why the phrase seems odd to me beyond just the word choice.

Regardless, I'm really looking forward to any future chapters of this. I can't wait to see where you take it.
 
All shard-based precognition is prediction rather than proper foresight. Quite simply, they take a snapshot of the world as it is when the entities arrive, and lock down all other variables so that they have a REALLY GOOD idea of what is going to happen. Not a perfect idea, because uncertainty principle and all that, but a good idea.

This is fanon, originally invented by the writers of Exalted crossover fancfics in order to wank their preferred setting.

The actual WoG is that the Entities use both prediction-based methods and actual viewing of possible futures, and any given power might use either method. Coil and the various weak Thinkers that get mentioned could plausibly work either way, but Dina's probability measurement and the Simurgh's precog are both very explicitly described as viewing actual possible futures, not just running simulations. The mechanism behind Path to Victory is better hidden, but if it's simulation-based it would have to somehow perfectly simulate everything in he Solar system, including intangible stuff like souls and qi that might affect human actions, so the details don't really matter.

If cultivation requires a soul, then the Shards could try to help their host cultivate themselves, but not being capable of it themselves.

The Entities operate on a level that's light-years beyond the possibility of this kind of limitation. The premise of Worm is that all of the powers are based on Clarketech in a materialistic universe, implying that the Entities have long since mastered everything there is to know about the physics of their setting to such an extent that they can do 'impossible' things. Indeed, things like Endbringer cores and Flechette's power actually warp reality to change the laws of physics, and we have no idea how common that kind of thing is.

So if you change the setting to add souls and other mystical elements, the clear implication is that the Entities should understand such things on the same level. Creating souls, manufacturing meridians or special qi talents, and other such impossible feats would be perfectly mundane activities for them, no different than transmuting elements or traveling dimensions. In fact, if Cultivator!Taylor's powers work on Earth Bet there should probably be parahumans out there whose powers are based on qi techniques (although they can't improve them with training, because their shard just jammed a set of Divine Fire Veins and associated cultivation level into their soul when they triggered and didn't teach them how to cultivate).
 
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The Entities operate on a level that's light-years beyond the possibility of this kind of limitation. The premise of Worm is that all of the powers are based on Clarketech in a materialistic universe, implying that the Entities have long since mastered everything there is to know about the physics of their setting to such an extent that they can do 'impossible' things. Indeed, things like Endbringer cores and Flechette's power actually warp reality to change the laws of physics, and we have no idea how common that kind of thing is.

So if you change the setting to add souls and other mystical elements, the clear implication is that the Entities should understand such things on the same level. Creating souls, manufacturing meridians or special qi talents, and other such impossible feats would be perfectly mundane activities for them, no different than transmuting elements or traveling dimensions. In fact, if Cultivator!Taylor's powers work on Earth Bet there should probably be parahumans out there whose powers are based on qi techniques (although they can't improve them with training, because their shard just jammed a set of Divine Fire Veins and associated cultivation level into their soul when they triggered and didn't teach them how to cultivate).
Well they don't know everything about physics otherwise the cycle wouldn't be necessary but that's semantics. It's possible however that qi and souls can only be detected and/or interacted with via qi and soul techniques. This leads to the question of how the Xianxia universe was introduced to it but they have active spirits and probably Time Dao or something. If that's the case then it would be possible that none of the previous species they've visited developed qi and they could be completely oblivious, especially if they don't have souls for whatever reason and literally can't directly perceive it no matter what. I don't know if this is canon but I remember reading somewhere that humans were one of/the first sapient species the entities harvested, with the last cycle being just animals.
 
Ive waited too long for this kind of fic.. :cry: finally!
Not necessary but, who can be taylor's fatty friend??
 
I suppose it is a good thing that Taylor has a pairing already since it does mean we don't to have worry about reverse harems, some OP guy showing up from nowhere to conquered her, and hopefully not much else on the matter as well.
 
A lot of xianxia MC have a fat friend.
Ah, thought that might be it. Thanks.

Though depending on how people view things, Amy might fit the role somewhat as she could be a bit on the chubby side. Not unhealthily so, but she's hardly in a position where she stresses herself physically. Combined with the random work hours, most of which are scattered throughout the night, and she's also likely to have a fairly poor diet consisting of quick meals and things to snack on to keep her going.

Though the flip side of that (to argue with myself) is that she does have a sister who drags her into quite a bit, would have her family bringing her up healthily in order to make sure she can properly present herself to the public, and should have plenty of real world evidence for herself in he form of patients to show her why eating right and exercising is better than the alternative.

On the other other hand, you don't need to be fat to be unhealthy. It's also just as likely that Amy's at least somewhat underweight from the combination of stress, pushing herself, missing meals, disrupting her sleep patterns, and other influences.

So, essentially, it's completely up to he author how they want to portray Amy in this fic.

[jk]But if she needs an overweight friend maybe Taylor will befriend Chubster?[/jk]
 
Ah, but classic Wuxia, it would be Assault portraying the chubby friend. Based on Personality. Or Clockblocker.
 
Not necessary but, who can be taylor's fatty friend??

In the wuxia novels a fatty friend is usually someone who is physically fat, but mainly rich, pampered and lazy. Fatty sidekicks are frequently seen to be there urging the protagonist to do something to advance the plot ("I heard that if we go to the Forest of 10000 Demons during the night of the full moon the macguffin flower will be blooming for the first time in half a million years, and meditating in front of it will allow you to advance your cultiviation.") or show off the protagonists new special power up by protecting the fatty from being bullied or from the consequences of the Fatty's own actions when the bump into, insult or otherwise antagonize a powerful person or monster.

To be rich enough to grow fat is a phrase that occurs in some of the novels.

A fatty friend could be someone like Greg that wants to follow along behind the Taylor and learn just enough cultivation to protect himself from bullies, or may be someone like Alex who would like to learn to cultivate so he can get rich enough to do nothing but play video games all day for the rest of his life. The fatty desires enough power for comfort, but wants to avoid the effort to earn it. An example of a Fatty Trio from one Wuxia novel were the cooks that prepared meals for the sect, and while they did not have a lot of authority or ability, they could eat parts from the edges of all the magical plants and animals being brought in to make meals for higher ranked sect members and gain strength quickly without effort, so while they were looked down upon by the section overall as they would never reach the heights of cultivation they could live quite comfortably by stealing food. Not a lot of fatties in Worm that I can think of, very few people are just trying to live the easy life, most are caught up in some kind of desire to achieve greatness or avoid their enemies.
 
In the wuxia novels a fatty friend is usually someone who is physically fat, but mainly rich, pampered and lazy. Fatty sidekicks are frequently seen to be there urging the protagonist to do something to advance the plot ("I heard that if we go to the Forest of 10000 Demons during the night of the full moon the macguffin flower will be blooming for the first time in half a million years, and meditating in front of it will allow you to advance your cultiviation.") or show off the protagonists new special power up by protecting the fatty from being bullied or from the consequences of the Fatty's own actions when the bump into, insult or otherwise antagonize a powerful person or monster.

To be rich enough to grow fat is a phrase that occurs in some of the novels.

A fatty friend could be someone like Greg that wants to follow along behind the Taylor and learn just enough cultivation to protect himself from bullies, or may be someone like Alex who would like to learn to cultivate so he can get rich enough to do nothing but play video games all day for the rest of his life. The fatty desires enough power for comfort, but wants to avoid the effort to earn it. An example of a Fatty Trio from one Wuxia novel were the cooks that prepared meals for the sect, and while they did not have a lot of authority or ability, they could eat parts from the edges of all the magical plants and animals being brought in to make meals for higher ranked sect members and gain strength quickly without effort, so while they were looked down upon by the section overall as they would never reach the heights of cultivation they could live quite comfortably by stealing food. Not a lot of fatties in Worm that I can think of, very few people are just trying to live the easy life, most are caught up in some kind of desire to achieve greatness or avoid their enemies.
Fatties don't necessarily have to be lazy, just unmotivated. For example, Fatty Wang is a powerful cultivator who was happy at his current level and decided to open a bistro. Contentment can replace laziness there.
 
The mechanism behind Path to Victory is better hidden, but if it's simulation-based it would have to somehow perfectly simulate everything in he Solar system, including intangible stuff like souls and qi that might affect human actions, so the details don't really matter.

Absent supernatural causal mechanisms -- like cultivation and qi -- then the hypothetical soul is going to be completely epiphenomenal and irrelevant for the purposes of forming predictions.
The Entities operate on a level that's light-years beyond the possibility of this kind of limitation. The premise of Worm is that all of the powers are based on Clarketech in a materialistic universe, implying that the Entities have long since mastered everything there is to know about the physics of their setting to such an extent that they can do 'impossible' things. Indeed, things like Endbringer cores and Flechette's power actually warp reality to change the laws of physics, and we have no idea how common that kind of thing is.

So if you change the setting to add souls and other mystical elements, the clear implication is that the Entities should understand such things on the same level. Creating souls, manufacturing meridians or special qi talents, and other such impossible feats would be perfectly mundane activities for them, no different than transmuting elements or traveling dimensions. In fact, if Cultivator!Taylor's powers work on Earth Bet there should probably be parahumans out there whose powers are based on qi techniques (although they can't improve them with training, because their shard just jammed a set of Divine Fire Veins and associated cultivation level into their soul when they triggered and didn't teach them how to cultivate).

It's not yet clear that souls and other mystical elements actually exist in a way that the Entities have any experience with; just because Taylor's powers work on Earth Bet doesn't mean that this has to be a fusion crossover.

Of course, if cultivation is an outside context problem for the Entities, that needn't always be a problem for them, because they're obviously very very good at turning outside context problems into known assets; but it's not like they've never been surprised before.
 
Well they don't know everything about physics otherwise the cycle wouldn't be necessary but that's semantics.

Technically true. But the Entities are trying to invent some method of creating an infinite supply of new universes on demand, so they can go on multiplying exponentially forever. That's an ambition that's far beyond anything conventional physics could address, so they're either delving into experimental metaphysics (i.e. creating new systems of physics to test out via powers) or searching for obscure phenomena that they missed somehow in their rise to power.

It's possible however that qi and souls can only be detected and/or interacted with via qi and soul techniques.

In a more low-key supernatural setting that might be possible, but not in a Xianxia setting. In that kind of world souls and qi interact with matter and energy in all sorts of complicated and useful ways - usually you can't even have life without qi, and it's tied into all sorts of major cosmic forces. The Entities have been wandering the multiverse for geological epochs at this point, so the idea that they could have gotten where they are without noticing something so important is extremely implausible. You can't simultaneously make qi a central pillar of reality that everything important depends on, and make it completely mysterious to a species of cosmic beings who are supposed to comprehend pretty much all the secrets of the universe.

I don't know if this is canon but I remember reading somewhere that humans were one of/the first sapient species the entities harvested, with the last cycle being just animals.

No, that's completely wrong. They've been farming advanced technological species for at least millions of years, possibly much longer. There's even some WoG about what kinds of races they do and don't prey on, and how they'd go about taking apart a galactic civilization. They're basically like the higher-tier cosmic horrors of Lovecraftian mythology, only with some of the mystery peeled away and explained.
 
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