Suffer No More (Cultivation, Worm)

Might actually be worse than how the Entities prefer to give powers to stubborn, combative, assholes as a first choice, mixing in stupid, prideful, and outright insane for flavor.
For just a hero, an insecure ponce with a need to prove himself is typically a good thing. Combine it with Arrogance and a power that is literally anything he wants it to be... It's not as bad as if he were a politician, but that's where the problem lies, imo. If he'd had more or less any other power, Eidolon would have been perfectly solid.
 
He also had a power that made it easy to externalize his bad subconscious ideas. We don't even have sure confirmation.

Eidolon gets a lot of fandom shit that he deserves with uncertain Doylist knowledge mostly from a known manipulative liar (the Simurgh) but in-setting in the worst case he's just a chump with terrible luck that tried to be externally heroic when his power shard is protected against analysis.

No story that i know - i know appeal to popularity is a bad argument, but just establishing a baseline - even the more 'fuck eidolon' stories tries to assert he did it knowingly, because a superpower slot is a superpower slot.

Head-canoning it, maybe Eden made a last 'fuck you' and arranged a little butterfly wing or power modification for that particular shard to be activated.

Speaking of that, the only reason i don't blame the 3 blasphemies on Eden is because the Simurgh is a much more likely candidate (Taylor power didn't consider them human and masterable).
 
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Spirit 1.7 Alternative -- Taylor Thinks Amy is Hiding her Cultivation
Spirit 1.7

"What? But…" Amy started, but couldn't find the words to continue. It was incomprehensible to her, that somebody who seemed so nice would be so callous about using her power to heal people in need.

"She's a villain! I knew it!" Victoria said loudly and flew back into the air aggressively.

"Hold it, Vicky! I'm sure there must be a good explanation, right Taylor?" Dean asked with a serious expression.

"What is there to explain? I healed Amy because she saved my life. I have no reason to heal mortals."

"You're doing it again…stop saying mortals!" Amy reminded her with a groan.

Taylor had a disturbed look. She hadn't forgotten. The problem was…

"I'm sorry, but I can't explain this any other way. It's because they are mortal that I have no reason to heal them. Mortals die—that is the Dao of Heaven, and it would be improper to interfere in mortal affairs without proper cause," she said.

Amy face-palmed. "I can't even…?" She muttered quietly to herself.

"You are also a mor…" Then Taylor's expression changed as if coming to a grand epiphany as she looked at Amy. "..tal, but debts must…be…repaid…"

Taylor finished her statement slowly but she continued staring at Amy with trepidation. Her thoughts raced at a blistering speed as understanding dawned in her eyes.

Taylor had finally put the pieces together. She only now realized that the person in front of her had been trying to give her hints all this time.

The way that the famous healer healed Taylor—who was at the time a mere mortal—without wanting anything in return, the way she ignored the offer to teach her cultivation, the way her qi fluctuations returned to being apparently imbalanced and stressed so quickly, the way she was teaching her the social Dao of mortals and advising her on healing—it all came together to reveal an earth-shattering truth.

At the hospital, Taylor had the fanciful thought that Panacea was a born Saint who comprehended the Dao by her own natural virtue. She couldn't feel the girl's cultivation realm at all. Aside from having a unusually high qi levels for mortals which Taylor attributed to her being a cape, she appeared entirely ordinary to Taylor's spirit sense.

That could have been explained away by her spirit sense being weak after losing all her cultivation, but when Taylor touched Amy directly and concentrated her spirit sense into the girl and still noticed nothing out of the ordinary, even with all her experience in using spirit sense in her previous life, she thought no more of it.

But now, looking back, Taylor saw that the truth must have been even stranger.

She had heard of it before in hushed whispers and read it in the most forbidden texts.

It was an idea so profound as to be utterly unthinkable to serious cultivators.

Taylor herself thought it was just a myth, but now it seemed that the myth had appeared right in front her.

It was the realm of having perfected "returning to the natural state"! The hidden realm after attaining Saint in which a cultivator would willingly live as a mortal again to comprehend the simplicity of the original nature!

Panacea's cultivation realm was so high that Taylor couldn't even begin to comprehend it, and by some stroke of luck, the kindly great sage must have misunderstood Taylor's loss of all her cultivation as a junior unsuccessfully attempting the same trial too early.

It was little wonder then, that she appeared so frustrated with Taylor's behaviour.

Therefore the great sage was showing Taylor the proper way to live as a mortal and complete this severe trial.

That was the conclusion Taylor came to.

Understanding this, she naturally couldn't foolishly reject the great sage's teachings. Even if she desired to quickly raise her cultivation level, the benefit of completing this trial early couldn't be understated.

The Eternal Star Enlightened Path manual that she had memorized, although it explained the method of breaking through beyond Saint to Divine Shadow and Grand Liberation, those parts of the manual were exceedingly cryptic, sparse, and seemed to imply that it mostly relied on one's own comprehension and unique path.

A master willing to teach her such as this would be a tremendous boon, one that she likely couldn't have found in the whole cultivation world!

There was a chance that she was wrong, of course. But she had nothing to lose from it. After all, she had no other leads on the method to overcome her fate yet.

Then suddenly she bowed her head and formed a fist covered by an open palm towards Amy.

"My deepest apologies. This lowly one had eyes but was too blind to see Mt. Tai. This junior finally understands what venerable senior wanted to convey, and will follow all of senior's instructions."

Amy was taken aback at the sudden about-face, and looked to Dean and Victoria for their reactions.

Dean had a confused expression and gave a helpless looking shrug.

Victoria was rolling her fingers beside her temple in the gesture for "this person is mental".

"Uh…okay. Wait, why are you calling me senior?" Amy asked.

Taylor straightened up again and looked up. "Because you are my senior and you are instructing me, so I should acknowledge your position and pay the proper respect."

"That's…I mean, I am older than you but only by a year or so. You don't have to do that. Just call me Amy," said Amy.

"Yes, Amy."

Without having reached Saint herself, Taylor understood that she had no hope of successfully completing the "returning to the natural state" without guidance. After her terrible showing earlier, Taylor knew she had to quickly adjust and show this enlightened master that she was a teachable student.

It was fortunate, she thought, that she had combined with her mortal self in this world. It would be best to draw more on that part of her soul.

"So, does this mean you're willing to use your powers to heal people now?" Amy asked.

"I don't understand why yet, but if you think I should, then I will."

"Yes, you should. And you should probably get licensed for it," said Amy.

"I don't know the procedure for getting licensed. Will you assist?"

"Sure. I'd be happy to help." Amy gave her a smile. Taylor was very strange, but at least she seemed to be capable of accepting advice, she thought in relief.



O O O



"First, what can you actually heal? Do you know?" Amy asked from the seat across from Taylor. The four of them had gone to a private room in a restaurant by the Boardwalk with a window view of the coast, at Dean's expense.

"At my current power, I can heal most common diseases, infections, poisons, chronic illnesses, and mental afflictions with ease," said Taylor.

"Mental afflictions? Like depression?" Amy asked. Victoria started paying closer attention as well.

"Yes. I would consider your stress a mental affliction too," said Taylor.

"Then, you could heal dad?!" Victoria said with an excited look. By all appearances, she had forgotten ll about the earlier fight and had become friendly on the way to the restaurant.

"I have not diagnosed your dad to be certain, but it is likely that I could."

"That's perfect. I can't work with brains, so you can heal all those patients that I can't," said Amy. "Can you heal stuff like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's too?"

Taylor drew upon the knowledge of her Earth Bet soul. These diseases were not known to her by such names in the cultivation world, though there had been cases of people with similar symptoms. Cultivators were never affected by such things except for curses, and among mortals weakness of the mind was simply associated with old age.

"I've never tried with those, but it should be possible. Unless there's a curse on the victim, restoring the natural qi balance should remove any afflictions of the mind," said Taylor.

"By curses are you talking about Master effects?" Dean asked.

Taylor frowned. "Not exactly. A curse is a continuous influence caused by an active source of foreign qi. That is much more difficult to remove than a simple disease. If a victim has been brainwashed…thinking differently is not a mental affliction, and I would not be able to cure it at all."

"You said much more difficult. So that means, you might be able to remove at some types of Master effects?" Dean asked.

"I'm not sure. Again, I have never tried. I suppose it all depends on how the Master effect works. I just don't know enough about them," said Taylor. Heartbreaker was a famous one she knew of, but what she little she remembered about him seemed to indicate that his effects were permanent—the brainwashing kind. Even Victoria's aura was like that, as far as she could tell. There was no continuous influence left when the aura was gone, except one's own emotional memory.

"Hmm. How exactly does your healing work?" Amy asked.

"Are you familiar with acupuncture?"

"You mean the treatment with putting needles into pressure points to stimulate the nervous system? I've heard of it. It's pretty common in Asia, right? There are quite a few acupuncture clinics in Brockton Bay too."

"At my current level, most of my healing art involves acupuncture. Treatments for mental afflictions may also use music. The basis of my healing is to channel qi through the needles and guide the patient's own qi. The acupuncture that mortals use is a crippled form of what I do, because they cannot manipulate qi as I can. Depending on the severity of the issue, the effects could take anywhere from minutes to weeks to be seen." said Taylor. "

Amy felt a cold chill run through her. If most of Taylor's healing involved acupuncture, did that mean she stuck needles into her when she was asleep?!

At that moment, the waitress came in with a tray of sandwiches, fries, and drinks.

The conversation lulled as the four teens began to eat.

"Your power is pretty unusual. Most healing capes you hear about deal with physical injuries, and take effect pretty quick, like Othala granting regeneration. But then again, healers are pretty rare to begin with. A lot of them are actually Tinkers. Other than Amy here, I haven't heard of any other capes that can treat chronic illnesses, and I don't know any that deal with mental illnesses. Plus, the way you have to use acupuncture and music? What power category would that even be?" said Dean as he took a fry.

"You seem very knowledgeable about capes," Taylor said.

"When your girlfriend is part of a cape family, you tend to want to learn more about the cape scene," he said with a casual smile.

"I just want to know why you keep calling everyone else mortals. Are you supposed to be immortal or something?" Victoria asked.

Taylor crunched a fry for herself. She had once been an Immortal—an ageless cultivator who has reached the realm of Star Condensation—by the terminology of the cultivation world, but she had never been beyond death's reach. If she were, she would not have cultivated so obsessively in the other world. If she had simply taken things slowly and never revealed her talent, her Absolute Yin might never have been exposed. Unfortunately, it was the same Absolute Yin that drove her to cultivate. Her time was so very limited. Getting a new body made little difference.

I am sorry. What ails you is not a disease, De Luo-er. It is fate. There is no cure. But perhaps…

"No. The term for my kind is cultivator, one who seeks the Great Dao," said Taylor.

Victoria looked displeased with her answer.



O O O
 
Okay this just seems like a real dumb "misunderstanding" that seems very forced and uninteresting (to me) especially because of how dumb it makes Taylor seem.
 
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I think this misunderstanding would only work on a fic which is at a certain level of comedy, and this fic has not been that. In a realistic fic, even a fic which is "absurd cultivator genre character reacts to realistic setting", it doesn't make sense.
 
Okay this just seems like a real dumb "misunderstanding" that seems very forced and uninteresting (to me) especially because of how dumb Taylor it makes Taylor seem.

I think this misunderstanding would only work on a fic which is at a certain level of comedy, and this fic has not been that. In a realistic fic, even a fic which is "absurd cultivator genre character reacts to realistic setting", it doesn't make sense.

Agreed. Even if both conjoined Taylor souls are stuck with a frankly obsessive degree of hero-worship for Panacea, this is a hell of a leap for two someones who have both been thoroughly betrayed. Especially after Taylor researched the state of cultivation on Bet in 1.2 and found only marginal evidence. There are a half-dozen more reasonable conclusions that Taylor could jump to, from "she's still mortal, she'll learn better after a few centuries" to "I don't get it, but she's my benefactor so I'll humor her" to "okay, we can talk this out later without the audience".

Not to mention that it makes no sense even by cultivation-world standards. If Amy was a Saint-level practitioner of a healer's Dao, even the Dao of Self-Sacrifice, she'd be capable of fixing her own mental issues. (You don't get to be a Saint if you let those sorts of Cultivation Demons fester, after all.) And if she was a Saint who'd sealed her own memories, then she wouldn't be trying to teach Taylor any lessons at all.

The thing that feels most wrong here to me is that prior chapters have had the feeling of "Taylor who's also a cultivator" while this one feels like "a cultivator who just happens to occupy Taylor's body". It only makes sense if Cult!Taylor's multi-century memories are flat-out overwriting Bet!Taylor, and even then it's a big stretch.

Also, on a personal note, I can't stand that particular "had eyes but could not see Mt. Tai" phrase. I don't know what it is about that phrase, but every time it comes up in a webseries that I'm reading, I feel like kicking the Xianxia genre in the nuts. Okay, personalrant over, carry on.
 
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I agree wit arromdee on this, this fic is great, and I'm really enjoying it. But this misunderstanding feels like a really strange leap on logic that doesnt make much sense with the information she should have available.
 
Isn't "A meteor fell on my Mom... therefore, I must destroy the Earth." the type of reasoning that's acceptable in this genre? What's unforgivable is to use means or pursue ends for petty reasons.

Like wanting to talk to Amy to get more information about what's going on so you can present a more socially acceptable position? Unacceptable!

Deciding The Amy must be some sort of super badass trying to teach you humility? Makes perfect sense.
 
I agree with the others but I don't really care to much, maybe the same thing could happen as thankfulness and/or just as something to do. But again I don't think it really matters too much. Though I do hope eventually someone (danny amy or anyone else) takes up taylor on trying to learn.
 
Constructive criticism, people. You might not like where the author took the story, but do try to be polite and helpful when offering that opinion.

Just talking down and complaining is hardly going to motivate them to continue writing, after all.

That said, I agree with Orphiex; it would have been better if Taylor had decided to humor Panacea, or simply waved it off with 'you'll learn'. Either way would have preserved the source of excellent, non-violent conflict.
 
Well this is going to backfire.........oh well. And count on Dean to run blabbing back to the PRT.
Just reread and used reader mode and ended up looking for the next update.........and this was it!:cry::cry::cry::D:lol:rofl:
 
Gahk! *Chocking sounds*

Taylor should really learn some Social-Fu. Even learning the basics would help her, as to not cause further misunderstandings. Her way of speaking is too weird for normal people, and others might think that she is Cray-Cray.
 
Spirit 1.7
A/N: The previously published Spirit 1.7 has been retconned and is no longer canon. I thought about it and it really was too comedic for the overall story tone, so we'll just call it an omake. You can find it in Apocrypha.



Spirit 1.7


"What? But…" Amy started, but couldn't find the words to continue. It was incomprehensible to her, that somebody who seemed so nice would be so callous about using her power to heal people in need.

"She's a villain! I knew it!" Victoria said loudly and flew back into the air aggressively.

"Hold it, Vicky! I'm sure there must be a good explanation, right Taylor?" Dean asked with a serious expression.

Taylor opened her mouth to speak, then closed it again, appearing hesitant for the first time to the three teens in front of her.

Her eyes were fixed on Amy still, but Amy didn't think that Taylor was seeing her anymore. The expressionless façade she had been maintaining was gone, replaced by eyes that were lost in painful memories.

The silence stretched on for what seemed like an eternity as even Victoria felt the shift in mood.

"…I'm sorry. You wouldn't understand it," Taylor said at last, turning to walk away.

Amy stepped to follow almost subconsciously, thoughts awhirl with regret and trepidation. She had been wrong about Taylor being callous. It wasn't that she didn't care or thought herself above healing, that much was obvious from her subdued reaction.

'Maybe I do,' she wanted to say out loud, but found herself unable to voice it. If Taylor didn't want to speak of it, what right did she have to press her? They weren't even friends. But she really wanted to know. Did Taylor have the kind of thoughts she did about her patients? Amy wasn't as into healing as she tried to act like. In the beginning, she had been motivated to do it when she first triggered, but over the years it had become a chore, and she felt guilty for thinking about it that way. It was hard to keep caring about any individual patient after healing a few thousand people. The fact that she'd never heard of another healer like Taylor in Brockton Bay didn't mean that there couldn't have been somebody going around to heal people in secret outside of hospitals, maybe even outside of Brockton Bay. If Taylor routinely did things like breaking into people's houses secretly…and she did say that she was recovering her powers, which implied that her powers were stronger before.

"Try us! If you have a good reason, why wouldn't we understand?" Her sister voiced aloud what she could not, and in a much more hostile tone than she would have. She regretted not speaking up first.

Taylor turned back around just a little, glanced at Victoria, then to Amy again.

"You don't have to tell us if you don't want to, Taylor," said Amy. She ignored the protest from Victoria and continued, "Being a healer isn't easy and it's not for everyone. I get it."

There was a flash of something close to surprise on Taylor's face, before it melted back into that troubled faraway look. She nodded her appreciation before leaving. Victoria saw the looks Dean and Amy gave her, and she relented to let Taylor go.

After they were alone, Victoria spoke up. "What was that about?" She looked to Dean for his power analysis.

"I think she does want to heal people, but something happened to make her unwilling. I was reading guilt, longing, and sadness from her," said Dean. "But it's a little confusing. She was disdainful at first when she said she wasn't going to heal anyone else, I'm not sure why it changed abruptly like that. Her emotions were pretty hard to read too the whole time until the end. It was like she barely had any emotions, they were so faint, but then during the fight there was a really strong emotion I've never felt in anyone else before. It was…sharp, and I had the strangest idea that it would become physical and cut me if I focused on it too closely."

"Could she be a Master victim? She can't heal because somebody else is stopping her? And that might be why she can resist my aura! If her emotions are partially being controlled by someone else, or she built up an immunity to emotion effects over time," said Victoria.

Dean had a thoughtful look on his face. "That…could be possible, actually. It would explain that weird sharp emotion. Power interactions and all that."

"Isn't that jumping to conclusions? She might just have a Trump power to resist other powers," said Amy. She knew firsthand that Taylor experienced the world in a different way from everyone else. Taylor's power when she shared it with Amy gave her a feel for living things and self-awareness that was expressed in some kind of metaphysical flowing energy. And moreover, "My power works really slowly on her body too."

"But you saw how her face changed. It wasn't just a power giving Dean the wrong readings. She was clearly an arrogant bitch right up until the end," said Victoria.

"Taylor's not an arrogant bitch, she's just not used to dealing with people! And her power isn't as strong as it should be. That's probably why she doesn't want to heal anyone else, when she's still recovering," said Amy.

"I've never heard of powers having to recover. What makes you think her power isn't as strong as it should be?" asked Victoria.

"She told me her powers were still recovering. She said it just now too, about her stealth not being as good."

"Wait a minute, where and when did you even meet her?"

"Brockton General. Remember how I stayed really late on Monday? She was the one I spent the night for."

Victoria looked at her oddly. "And then she…healed you? When was that? When did you get injured?"

"Well I wasn't injured, exactly. It was more like reducing stress. She came to my room last night. When I woke up this morning there was a note from her explaining about the healing she did when I was asleep. I never actually saw her using her power for healing so I don't know how it works, but I did feel pretty amazing after. I haven't gotten much sleep the past few days but I didn't feel tired at all today."

"O-oh. I guess I misunderstood what kind of stalker she was earlier. She was just looking out for you," said Victoria, her face was red with embarrassment. "Sorry. I shouldn't have attacked her."

Victoria was cute when she looked abashed, Amy thought. It was much better than the angry girl that thought with her fists.

"It's okay. Just don't jump the gun next time something like this happens," Amy said in a consoling tone, relieved that her sister could acknowledge the mistake.

Dean watched the exchange quietly with an unreadable look.



O O O



Taylor's emotions were still in turmoil long after she left the alley. To the question of why she wouldn't heal people, she had almost responded with the cultivator's generally agreed principles of conduct related to mortals.

Cultivators that followed the "proper path", in contrast to the "demonic path", did not interfere with mortal affairs unless they were expressly part of the ruling government in a sovereign state, or otherwise lawfully governed by the cultivator(s) in question.

There wouldn't have been any real repercussions for violating the rule unless one did it on a large scale and was considered to be subverting another cultivator's serfs, but to Taylor in the other world, healing other people just wasn't something she had really thought about early in her career, given her own troubles, and later on her sect didn't participate much in state governance at all. There was never any benefit that would have attracted Taylor to doing something like that.

But just as she was about to say it, memories of a time when she had been a cape enthusiast came unbidden, when she had looked up to heroes like Alexandria and Armsmaster, even Panacea.

Panacea wasn't as flashy as the big name heroes, but what she did, Taylor respected. What drove somebody to be so selfless, that part of her understood very well. She had dreamed of being a hero herself when she was younger. Even right up to the locker incident, if she suddenly got powers, she knew she would have gone out to become a hero.

She wondered idly if she might have tried to take revenge on the trio had she become a cape. She liked to think that she was better than that, but she didn't feel confident that she would have resisted the temptation.

At the very least, if she had become a cape with healing powers like Panacea, there was no doubt in her mind that she would have used it for the good people of Brockton Bay, much like Amy.

But Taylor wasn't the same girl anymore, and when she had gotten her powers it had come with a whole slew of other problems, feelings, and memories.

She wasn't a cape. Maybe by the definition of parahuman on Earth Bet, she would be considered one, but she knew for herself that something different had happened to her.

She made her way back to the house quietly. Her dad wasn't home yet, and she changed herself out of her robes and into her normal casual clothes.

The girl that looked back at her from the mirror on her closet was very different from what she was used to. It wasn't the gaunt, defeated figure of a long-term bullying victim that couldn't make any friends, but nor was it the cold, oppressive image of a prodigious fighter that isolated herself in the single-minded pursuit of survival.

Her facial features were a little different from before, having been cultivated through star essence. In the cultivator world, she had started very early so her body had grown in a much more efficient, healthy way. That same effect would start to change her slowly over time in this world too.

"Do you want to be a hero?" She asked aloud.

There was no response. Not that she expected one, but asking aloud made her feel better. More grounded, as if there really were two opinions she had to consider.

Her souls had merged into one being, and the outcome was a mix of both that acted like neither would have before. The confrontation with Amy and her friends showed that she had to take more time to reflect on how she had changed.

If it had been her old cultivator self, there would not have been a confrontation at all. It was entirely unnecessary to reveal herself, when she could have quietly escaped instead. But the modern girl in her didn't want to make trouble with the two heroes of New Wave, in case she was caught. Of course, if it had been the old Bet Taylor, she wouldn't have been out there stalking Amy in the first place.

Her reflection grimaced at her.

A lot of things she had done over the past few days, now that she thought about them, were very strange, and she didn't like the results.

If allowed to fester, this would lead to inner demons interfering with her progress, perhaps even a disastrous failure at a critical juncture.

It would be impossible to breakthrough to Ethereal Heart at the end of the Meditation stage if she could not rediscover her true self, which would be very different from the first time she did it.

It would be some time before she finished the rest of Meditation to reach that point, but the first major bottleneck in her cultivation had reared its ugly head.



O O O
 
I also think that this version works better.
There is no misunderstanding being set-up between Taylor and Amy for one, plus Taylor has to confront the issue of this world not being like that of a typical Xanxia novel.
Cultivation is all about self-refinement, so it's nice to see Taylor get started on that path again, integrating her old and new self.
 
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