VolantRedX
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Nah, let's get another reboot in. I'm not sick of seeing Spider-Man lose Uncle Ben yet.
Spiderman: Far From Home
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God, I love self entitled fanboys. "I want the MCU to fail because FUCK the other people that like it, it´s all about ME!"
VolantRedX
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I also love that people are siding with Sony over Disney as if Sony is some benevolent freedom fighter struggling against the monolithic Disney machine, instead of another monolithic entertainment machine. One known for having a ton of skeletons in its closet as well as being well known for trying to undercut the creators they profit from.
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I'd still rather have two monoliths then one, the idea of Disney owning everything forever is terrifying.
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Yeah, makes collusion easier. Now you can fool the populace into thinking there's actual competition happening and they'll give you more money because they hate the other guy.
But the shocking truth is that you're both the same guy.
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I fail to see how Sony giving Marvel its characters back is Disney owning everything forever. Or how it leads to Sony ceasing to exist. Hell WB owns all of DC comics and the movie rights and no one seems to demand they sell the rights of The Flash to like MGM or something.
Miles Morales. Gwen Stacey. Ben Reilly. Cindy Moon.
There. Four characters, who are Peter Parker in all but name; four characters whose rights and usage are, presumably, bundled in with the rights Sony bought back in the 90's. Heck, two of those names have already appeared in quite-possibly-the-best Spider-Man movie ever.
Why doesn't Sony just... use one of those instead?
I mean, at this point, it's clear fans want Peter in the MCU; the backlash made that clear enough. While I do think that the leaks about Disney's offer to Sony is insulting (seriously, you guys already have all the merchandising, you don't need 50% of the profits)... I don't know if I see Spider-Man: Home and Away making that much money, or acclaim, is it proceeds as is. The sheer vitriol being thrown at Sony, and the fact it would be existing over the broken body of MCU!Spider-Man seems like a good way to sour the well.
There. Four characters, who are Peter Parker in all but name; four characters whose rights and usage are, presumably, bundled in with the rights Sony bought back in the 90's. Heck, two of those names have already appeared in quite-possibly-the-best Spider-Man movie ever.
Why doesn't Sony just... use one of those instead?
I mean, at this point, it's clear fans want Peter in the MCU; the backlash made that clear enough. While I do think that the leaks about Disney's offer to Sony is insulting (seriously, you guys already have all the merchandising, you don't need 50% of the profits)... I don't know if I see Spider-Man: Home and Away making that much money, or acclaim, is it proceeds as is. The sheer vitriol being thrown at Sony, and the fact it would be existing over the broken body of MCU!Spider-Man seems like a good way to sour the well.
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because wb isn't as gigantic as disney. like, one of the main issues is just how big Disney became as a company.
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Yeah that's an argument that Disney shouldn't control so many brands but arguing that marvel characters shouldn't all be under one general umbrella is a bit daft. I want my cinematic universe goddamnit.
From what I heard it was 30%
It's so annoying. Because yes, Disney is a monolithic company that shouldn't own everything... but...
... but damn it. I grew up with Marvel, and the MCU has a massive, Spider-Man shaped holw missing in the heart of it. I just want them to have this one thing then I'll stop.
I've heard both, which is part of the problem; we're coming from an outside perspective, and have no idea of the legislative and contractual dealings. All we really have to go on are "leaks" which, given the reaction they've gotten, may not be entirely accurate.
The way I'd heard it was Disney wanting a 50/50 split, but 30% was the minimum they'd accept.
Either way... still a bit too much, frankly. Again, merchandising means a hell of a lot, and Disney already has THOSE rights.
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except every individual marvel character is a brand on its own. I care much more about that than having Spider-Man in the same universe as all the other superheroes.
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But here's the thing, I'm a comics fan. I really really want that interconnectedness that the comic brands have. Having Spider-man being in a completely separate universe and franchise away from the Avengers feels wrong to me.
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well, I am a comics fan as well, and I see no issues with Spider-Man having his own adventures away from avengers. like he already did. plenty of times.
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But that's not what you're proposing in this situation.
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Yes and I want that too, but I also want there to be crossovers and inter-connectivity Saying Hawkeye and Spider-man should be in two different universes means we lose things on both sides. I get wanting to stick it to Disney but peeling apart the MCU is not the way to do it.
Yeah if he gets replaced I'm gonna be pissed because he was good as both Peter and Spider-man.
Personally as someone who dropped Marvel and DC comics because I just want to read a single title not be told read 50 titles or you have no context to anything that's going on, I'd rather just have standalone movies than being told watch 20 other mostly not very good movies first.
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frankly, I don't find it that intrinsic to the character that Spider-Man absolutely needs to be in the same universe as the avengers. that was shown in the cartoons.
then what's the way to do it?
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It's intrinsic to Holland Spider-man and I'd like to keep that version around.
Peel separate franchises off of them. And I'm not talking franchises like the MCU and spider-man as separate but things like Star Wars and the MCU. The two biggest movie franchises around don't both need to be owned by Disney.
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The big difference btwn comics and MCU films is that, yes, while you may lose some context not watching other films, they're still enjoyable in their own right and ties up neatly at the end. The problem of no context exists, but it's nowhere near as bad as comics are.
I dunno cause like Black Panther is one of the only recent ones I've seen and either that movie has got some flaws explaining what Black Panther is or you just don't really get it without seeing Civil War.
And yeah its not on the same scale as I'm reading about Jane Foster as Thor and in the middle of an arc Doctor Doom or whoever it was has taken over the multiverse and the Thor Comic is now about a multitude of Thors none of which are the Thor I was reading about doing some weird cop drama but its still not great.
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In fairness, five of the top six grossing movies this year are all Disney titles (Endgame, Lion King, Captain Marvel, then Aladdin in fifth and Toy Story 4 rounding out the top six). And the fourth is Far from Home itself, which is only a single degree removed from Disney. All of those made a billion plus. And Frozen 2 and The Rise of Skywalker will also be coming out this year. 2019 is absolutely and undeniably the year of Disney, and while it is unlikely to ever have a year like this again, its cultural power has never been more apparent.
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