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Spiderman: Far From Home



I'm all yes for more SpiderVerse-esque content and new takes on the character.

But, what I don't want is cinematic universe bullshit and forcefully inserting Holland's Spider Man into Venom.
 
Besides being at some small reduction in Disneys horrible cultural monopoly I have to say I am not really broken up about not seeing anymore MCU Spderman. I have nothing against Tom Holland, he seems like a great guy and he had a lot of heart but the more I think about it the more luke warm I am over the way his character was treated within the universe. I don't want it to go all Slott or Quesada where Peter's life is a unending conga line of cosmic misery but I think giving Peter a multi billion dollar sugar daddy benefactor kinda neuters a lot of his traditional motivation. He is supposed to be a little guy struggling to balance Work/School and his super heroing, constantly having to make personal sacrifices to do the right thing.
 
Good. It's a minor hit against Disney's monolithic cultural stranglehold but it's a hit nonetheless, the longer I think about the MCU version of Spoderman the less I like it, and I really want to live in a world where Venom 2 starring Tom Holland, Tom Hardy and Woody Harrelson all completely bewildered that they have to be there exists.
 
ZerbanDaGreat said:
Good. It's a minor hit against Disney's monolithic cultural stranglehold but it's a hit nonetheless, the longer I think about the MCU version of Spoderman the less I like it, and I really want to live in a world where Venom 2 starring Tom Holland, Tom Hardy and Woody Harrelson all completely bewildered that they have to be there exists.
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Woody Harrelson in a dumb-looking ginger wig, at that.
 
Eh, the MCU will land on it's feet no matter what, and probably with Spiderman at some point more likely than not. Personally, I'm just curious to see how this all turns out.

I know this will probably lose me some cred here, but aside from when people actually lose their livelihoods (and those crappy live action remakes), I have a hard time caring about Disney's cultural monopoly. Climate change, white supremacy, Brexit, and freaking Jeff Bezos all leave me with little room to get worried about how Disney is flattening culture. Sue me.

Basically, while the MCU may be the opiate of the masses, I'm not gonna mind spending the next few decades before civilization collapses high as fuck.
 
Given that Sony made no counteroffer to Disney's opening ask, my gut tells me that they always planned to walk away. I'm sure Disney would have been satisfied with 25/75 (or whatever) - 50/50 was just their opening position.

Regardless, this seems like a boneheaded move on Sony's part - the Spider-Man films were insanely profitable, and given this rather public divorce I'll be shocked if Spider Man: Running Away From Home matches those numbers. Also, while Spider-Verse was a critical darling, it didn't exactly light up the box office, and Venom struck me as a one off fluke.
 
Honestly as much as I can sympathize with the idea of breaking apart the Disney monolith, I do firmly believe there's nothing wrong with having all the marvel characters being attached to the MCU, save maybe the X-men.
 
Frankly, I think there's a good chance this might go the way of the whole James Gunn situation, it'll be a big kerfuffle for a while, and much later they'll announce "Good news, we got Spidey back!" And considering all of the Phase 4 films that were announced, they have a few years to hash it out with Sony, if they so choose.
 
I'm not sure why so many people are cheering that Sony can hold a character they did not create basically hostage from the people who should have control over it but don't.
 
VolantRedX said:
I'm not sure why so many people are cheering that Sony can hold a character they did not create basically hostage from the people who should have control over it but don't.
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It's not like Sony stole him or took him hostage or anything. The rights were sold, that being a move that Disney now regrets Marvel having made doesn't change that or give them the right to throw their weight around trying to get Sony to agree to a deal which it doesn't make sense for Sony to take.
 
Honestly, judging by the line up the Phase 4 has I can't say I'm exactly excited for the MCU going into the future. The only films I'm really excited for are Dr. Strange 2 and Guardians 3, the rest just feel like they're just there. I'm sure they could probably pull it off but judging by the roster it feels like the MCU is starting to run on fumes after basically ending with Endgame.

Also, on the current line of discussion. Marvel/Disney dropped the ball in negotiations. I don't feel nearly as bad as I know all they have to do is just keep racking in the money while the fans go to bat with outrage.
 
It's kinda wild to me that pretty much the only take I've seen on this is being angry at Sony for not capitulating to Disney and giving them ten times as much money as they'd previously agreed to and just going along with their monopoly.

I for one welcome Spiderman back where he belongs, in the Venomverse.
 
I just really hope this compels Sony to keep up the level of quality we saw in Spiderverse in the sequels and spin-offs it's supposed to be getting.

The loss of Holland Spiderman is a meh for me. He's good at his role, but he's another teenage Peter, just with bits of Miles bolted on, so it's pretty whatever.
 
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I think Sony's main concern is that the 50-50 deal was that while fair on paper Disney would eventually rope it back in, Disney then asks to foot in 60% of the costs with the same amount in profit, then 70%, then 80% until Sony gives up Spider-Man altogether. For Sony Spider-Man & Jumanji thing keeping their Pictures division afloat with the Spider-Man Deal back few years ago when Sony was under financial pressure to do something.

I think Disney and Sony are coming bad off this, should've stuck to the current deal.
 
Can't say I'm really bothered with Disney losing Spider-Man, as I believe the MCU has already peaked with Infinity War/Endgame and not feeling enthusiastic about the upcoming features that just want to continue the corporate gravy train instead of ending on a high note.

Crazael said:
It still doesnt make any sense to me, but ok.
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Remember when Scorpion at the end of Homecoming asked if Vulture knew Spider-Man's real identity with the intent of taking revenge for putting them in jail? If he had known, bad things would have happened, specifically to Aunt May.
 
"It is indeed I, Jeremy Renner, and not a group of executives wearing a Jeremy Renner-shaped trench coat. I think the rights to Spider-Man should belong to someone who would appreciate them more."
 
Lunatic350 said:
It's not like Sony stole him or took him hostage or anything. The rights were sold, that being a move that Disney now regrets Marvel having made doesn't change that or give them the right to throw their weight around trying to get Sony to agree to a deal which it doesn't make sense for Sony to take.
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Except all Sony is going to do is make more cheap cash ins that fail utterly, with Spiderverse being the sole exception thanks to Sony not really being involved. Just give Marvel their characters back, it makes no sense to have Sony hold the rights.
 
VolantRedX said:
Except all Sony is going to do is make more cheap cash ins that fail utterly, with Spiderverse being the sole exception thanks to Sony not really being involved. Just give Marvel their characters back, it makes no sense to have Sony hold the rights.
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Well, they kind of bought them, you know? That's how ownership laws work.
 
Suzu said:
Well, they kind of bought them, you know? That's how ownership laws work.
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No shit? I'm saying at this moment, with Marvel actually doing something with its properties it makes no sense for Sony to hold like three random ass characters just to basically profit off the characters that Marvel created.
 
I'd rather Sony produce a Spider-Man movie that doesn't have the shadow of the MCU threateningly looming over it. I'm pretty tired of all these movie somehow being connected to each other so much. The clear example of that is how much Endgame affected Far From Home.
 
Suzu said:
I'd rather Sony produce a Spider-Man movie that doesn't have the shadow of the MCU threateningly looming over it. I'm pretty tired of all these movie somehow being connected to each other so much. The clear example of that is how much Endgame affected Far From Home.
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Captain Marvel, Captain America Civil War and Iron Man 1 also affected Far From Home.
 
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