D.D. Spectator
Strongest in the land
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From what the wiki tells me, she's one of the few people on the planet who knows about the Entities and their plan.
Shining Example (WORM ORIGIN QUEST)
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She's also the one that's capable of giving orders many humans wouldn't be able to bring themselves to.
Is she ideal? No, but often times you only can choose from the options at hand. Perhaps we can eventually replace her, with ourselves some just better suited.
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She stood next to Fortuna when she killed Eden. When Fortuna cracked from the pressure of not knowing what to do when the path couldn't say DocM stood up and she'd make the calls.
Frankly her only qualifications are the size and metal of her balls and the speed with which she can abandon her morals.
She's actually very good at what she does especially considering that she was just in the right place at the right time. The problem is that we the questors neither appreciate what she does or believe its optimal.
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Hmm, I wouldn't quite say that. Doctor Mother has made (and will make) many very important decisions, that frankly needed to be made.
That said, I sure as hell don't agree with everything she does/did.
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IKnowNothing
....What?
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It doesn't matter if you agree with what she does.
Just know that it has to be done.
At the end of the day, we can look on from Ivory Towers and judge her for what she did. But at the start of the day, we realize that if she didn't make those choices we wouldn't make it to the end of the day. She's one of the few people that can look at the true end goal without their morals getting in the way.
Can you replace her? It's possible, yes.
Will it be better? Who can say.
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I think task "Replace Doctor Mother" is firmly in the "To Eventually" pile. Our top priorities are sorting out our problems, Rebecca's problems, and David's problems. Not really sure about the order, but I'm leaning on the order I stated them in.
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
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[X] Press both of them into answering. You need to see the issue from both sides to make a proper decision.
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- Fox Empire
Vote already closed.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Interesting. My experience is that QMs usually try to punish players who go for "what if we do both" compromise votes.
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Yeah, I've seen more than one major set back for this kind of vote, It didn't even occur to me to try it until it was okayed.
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To be fair, always having a situation where you can't have both isn't really normal. GMs who always punish for taking both are doing a disservice to their players.
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Do you know what happens when you get use to be a hard man doing hard decisions?
You forget that sometimes you don't need too, that some times the feel good choice is the right one, that sometimes people will help without having to be manipulate, things are complicate true, but sometimes, sometimes 2+2 is just 4.
You forget that sometimes you don't need too, that some times the feel good choice is the right one, that sometimes people will help without having to be manipulate, things are complicate true, but sometimes, sometimes 2+2 is just 4.
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That's really only how it turns out when people are telling an edgy story. I can trust our GM to not do that, although I don't need to with SV's aversion to hard man situations.
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Replacing Doctor Mother is something that might be best done eventually, but not now and not anytime soon.
One thing I never understood is why Couldron didn't just use the PtV to recruit more decision makers.
I mean, there's a near-infinite number of parallel worlds out there, almost all of which PtV can fully predict.
With such a large available sample, why can't PtV gather the best people that fulfill certain qualifications? People willing to save the world, think on the long term, and take a job away from their current lives?
There'd still be some issues to smooth over, but once this is done, we'd have a board of competent people looking over Earth Bet's situation, and planning for the end of the world, rather than just a small table of some individuals with issues.
Actually, why stop at a board? As someone previously mentioned, let's turn it into a full organization! And if potential Master/Strangers are the problem? Don't recruit anybody from Earth Bet. Or if you have to, take people who wouldn't want to go back.
Contessa can run multiple paths at once. Rather than tie her up into keeping Couldron a secret, have her screen and collect members. Ensure that no people who were given the vials would cause an issue.
And once that's done? Then we start our purpose. Actively train an army, rather than throw them memory-wiped into Earth Bet. Again, don't recruit people from Earth-Bet, because they'd likely have issues about killing their Superman.
If someone starts causing too much issues, like Jack Slash? The board decides he needs to be exterminated. Nuke him from orbit or have someone with an anti-power field tested against him.
If the Protectorate needs firepower? Have a Case 53-like situation where someone from Couldron's army pretends to have his memory wiped.
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But I'm starting to get too far ahead now. Let's just take care of this kindergarten situation where nobody can just discuss their problems and must punch each other to feel better.
Communication, people. It's aquest thing.
One thing I never understood is why Couldron didn't just use the PtV to recruit more decision makers.
I mean, there's a near-infinite number of parallel worlds out there, almost all of which PtV can fully predict.
With such a large available sample, why can't PtV gather the best people that fulfill certain qualifications? People willing to save the world, think on the long term, and take a job away from their current lives?
There'd still be some issues to smooth over, but once this is done, we'd have a board of competent people looking over Earth Bet's situation, and planning for the end of the world, rather than just a small table of some individuals with issues.
Actually, why stop at a board? As someone previously mentioned, let's turn it into a full organization! And if potential Master/Strangers are the problem? Don't recruit anybody from Earth Bet. Or if you have to, take people who wouldn't want to go back.
Contessa can run multiple paths at once. Rather than tie her up into keeping Couldron a secret, have her screen and collect members. Ensure that no people who were given the vials would cause an issue.
And once that's done? Then we start our purpose. Actively train an army, rather than throw them memory-wiped into Earth Bet. Again, don't recruit people from Earth-Bet, because they'd likely have issues about killing their Superman.
If someone starts causing too much issues, like Jack Slash? The board decides he needs to be exterminated. Nuke him from orbit or have someone with an anti-power field tested against him.
If the Protectorate needs firepower? Have a Case 53-like situation where someone from Couldron's army pretends to have his memory wiped.
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But I'm starting to get too far ahead now. Let's just take care of this kindergarten situation where nobody can just discuss their problems and must punch each other to feel better.
Communication, people. It's a
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What's the classification for people that can grant others powers again? Trump?
Why only recruit an army of capes? We could recruit and indoctrinate a hoard of normal people that we can have a biotinker enhance, equip with either high end weapons or mass producible tinker gear. Have a power giver hook the group up, and maybe empower those that we feel are most useful.
Hell with our army we can start making sleeper agents in the normal population that we can fake having triggers. Why give powers to those we don't think will be loyal to the cause after all?
Why only recruit an army of capes? We could recruit and indoctrinate a hoard of normal people that we can have a biotinker enhance, equip with either high end weapons or mass producible tinker gear. Have a power giver hook the group up, and maybe empower those that we feel are most useful.
Hell with our army we can start making sleeper agents in the normal population that we can fake having triggers. Why give powers to those we don't think will be loyal to the cause after all?
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Trump, and technically Tinkers can hand you a piece of Tinkertech, which can effectively be the same thing.
You do know we essentially have near unlimited access to liquified whale-god in a vial, to give people a full set of power, right?
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At which point did I say it's an army with capes only
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I thought we had a limited supply of it. And besides, its better to give superpowers to your already loyal army than it is to give powers to random people and hope to make them loyal. Especially when you can't have Contessa free to ensure their loyalty.
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- Currently in the local dimension.
Not really? It's mostly limited in the time available to mix the vials together.
An Entity is really big.
Though yeah, having access to non-cape militia or the like certainly wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, though I'm not totally sold on it being worth the effort.
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Well it's not a pick both option.
The vote could be boiled down to
[X] Contessa interrupt.
[X] Take Rebbecas side.
[X] Take David's side.
In that context what we picked was [X] Take nobody's side. On a technicality at least.
A less pedantic way to look at it is that we voted to be an impartial mediator. This is the best way to defuse the situation without either of our incredibly stubborn colleagues digging their heels in.
Tinkertech breaks.
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It's probably best served as a proactive waiting list for our cape army. We want them to be loyal to us before all else, and while that's easy to do when we're relatively small with Contessa, as we grow we can't use her on them all. So we have to indoctrinate them in other ways. Well, unless you guys want to start using master powers, but that tends to be seen as distasteful.
I believe some tinker tech takes longer to do so though.
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And Othala's power granting wears off after a short period of time, what's your point?
They did. Initially. After Manton flipped out and took a vial(which took him off the PtV prediction), they went Never Again. Then again after Hero died and Alexandria got maimed.
The thing with trusting people is they can hurt you. And hurt people are rarely inclined to trust again.
Furthermore, PtV seeks certainty. Trust is inherently uncertain. Too many factors, too many winds that it cannot predict properly from triggers that the logical, safe path is isolation and secrecy, particularly when all it'd take to end it all is Scion noticing at all.
Cauldron's entire existence is predicated upon Scion having not bothered to look.
An entity IS big, but quality vials are also limited to a few points of exceptionally high potency, while the more powers out there the more likely it is that it decreases world readiness and destabilizess everything too quickly. PtV can't account for that all properly, and the more vials they use the more likely it is that Scion notices.
Word of Wildbow is also that there was a nonzero chance of reactivating Eden while harvestiing shards as well. Eden was well and truly dead by the time of canon, but
IKnowNothing
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Wow I was gone for a good chunk of conversation. But I have to say, good to see you guys talking things out! Makes me feel like I started a community.
Small moment of self congrates over, let's go over a few things.
But in that case you've got to ask a simple question: Who will you replace her with?
The best next case scenario is Rebecca, but that puts her into full logic mode and I don't think anyone wants that to happen.
Contessa? possible, but not likely.
David? He won't take a leadership position. He's too fixated on what his actual role should be.
Charles? Too nice.
Matthew? Same as the last only worse.
Alex?
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Well, I guess that's up to you guys.
I don't punish players who go for that, I reward players who think outside the box. I like the players who look at a option of votes and think "But if we did this, then it would be better."
It furthers the story, the quest and the people playing it as well.
Right now, the longest tinker tech can go without breaking is a year, and that Tinker tech is made by Sandstorm.
And no, he's not going to share.
This is 100% true.
However, everyone here has missed one, critical fact about this world that will redefine your choices going forward.
Small moment of self congrates over, let's go over a few things.
But in that case you've got to ask a simple question: Who will you replace her with?
The best next case scenario is Rebecca, but that puts her into full logic mode and I don't think anyone wants that to happen.
Contessa? possible, but not likely.
David? He won't take a leadership position. He's too fixated on what his actual role should be.
Charles? Too nice.
Matthew? Same as the last only worse.
Alex?
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Well, I guess that's up to you guys.
I don't punish players who go for that, I reward players who think outside the box. I like the players who look at a option of votes and think "But if we did this, then it would be better."
It furthers the story, the quest and the people playing it as well.
Right now, the longest tinker tech can go without breaking is a year, and that Tinker tech is made by Sandstorm.
And no, he's not going to share.
This is 100% true.
However, everyone here has missed one, critical fact about this world that will redefine your choices going forward.
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Huh? What did we forget to factor --
Oracle
(Lelouch!Expy)
Or is it something we have no way of knowing at this point?