[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san

EDIT : I think it is for the best that we told someone about Morgana ASAP especially after he's being reckless like this, one of the bad scenario is he's meeting Strega and either killed or convinced by them SEES as whole is evil while actually only one secretly does, and that person not even a persona user.
 
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We can get a weapon later on, and hiding a spear will be difficult. Honestly, dealing with Morgana is the more time sensitive issue, as he'll still do stuff even if Ken ignores him.

Morgana has Knowledge 3, only beat out by Shinjiro's 4 and Mitsuru's 6. Ken and Morgana have the same Knowledge rank, so Morgana clearly isn't dumber than us. Ken started out with Empathy 2, so Morgana isn't worse off than we were.

Honestly, his Stats are better than Ken's were starting out. Really, it isn't that Morgana is stupid or a jerk. He can be reasoned with easily enough, as shown by how willingly he went with Ken's various requests (leave Akira alone for now/come along to the shrine/don't poke Tartarus).

As for picking Shinjiro, he has Empathy 6 compared to Mitsuru's 3 and Akihiko's 2. Plus having Knowledge 4 and Courage 5, I think we can convince Shinjiro to keep Morgana a secret for now.

EDIT: Apparently we only have Knowledge 2? Could of swore it Ranked up... Did we start at 1? Well, if we have just Knowledge 2, that means Morgana is actually smarter than Ken.
How many times do I need to repeat this? No seriously, how many times? Shinjiro is a horrible choice. Stop going by numbers, they don't matter. Seriously. It doesn't matter Shinjiro has an Empathy of 6. Doesn't matter he has a Courage of 5 and Knowledge of 4. It flat out doesn't matter. Shinjiro has psychological issues that renders all of that meaningless. We show we trust him? It makes him feel more guilty. We show we like him? Makes him feel more guilty. Where you guys get the idea that someone with so many psychological problems with Ken is someone we should do so much with at the moment I'll never be able to figure out.

Shinjiro has issues that makes telling him a horrible idea. Read the story, not meaningless numbers.
 
Besides the fact ignoring Shinjiro wouldn't help prevent his death (female P3 protag dating him would of worked), interacting with Shinjiro helps prevent a negative reaction once Ken learns what happened.

The Social Stat ranks do reflect the Characters, so they're not something to ignore. Shinjiro's high Empathy reflects the fact he is so torn up about what happened, whereas Akira's Courage 1 does a lot to explain his loner status.

Really, the problem isn't Morgana being a "stupid selfish loudmouth" (Knowledge 3 + Empathy 2 clearly isn't selfish as shown by Ken) or Shinjiro's psychological issues. Rather, the problem is making sure Ken does an adequate job of explaining.

Even with Knowledge 2, I'm pretty sure Ken won't just go "magic talking cat, keep him a secret okay?" All in all, the only problem should be Morgana might ask if Shinjiro is a time traveler too, and that would be justifiable curiosity. After all, Ken is the only other Awakened Persona User he met, and they're both time-travelers.
 
Besides the fact ignoring Shinjiro wouldn't help prevent his death (female P3 protag dating him would of worked), interacting with Shinjiro helps prevent a negative reaction once Ken learns what happened.

The Social Stat ranks do reflect the Characters, so they're not something to ignore. Shinjiro's high Empathy reflects the fact he is so torn up about what happened, whereas Akira's Courage 1 does a lot to explain his loner status.

Really, the problem isn't Morgana being a "stupid selfish loudmouth" (Knowledge 3 + Empathy 2 clearly isn't selfish as shown by Ken) or Shinjiro's psychological issues. Rather, the problem is making sure Ken does an adequate job of explaining.

Even with Knowledge 2, I'm pretty sure Ken won't just go "magic talking cat, keep him a secret okay?" All in all, the only problem should be Morgana might ask if Shinjiro is a time traveler too, and that would be justifiable curiosity. After all, Ken is the only other Awakened Persona User he met, and they're both time-travelers.
We have caused Shinjiro to have a panick attack. We have caused Shinjiro to have a genuine argument with Akihiko. Both very out of character for his stats. Because his mental issues are far more impactful than some numbers.

Morgana is an egocentric cat that has a need to be considered special or superiror. Yes he has Empathy 2 and KNowledge 3, but Akihiko has Knowledge 3 and he's considered dimwitted and simple. Seriously, you put far to much stock into numbers in favor of ignoring the flaws of characters.

Ignoring him might not help keep him alive. But neither would be revealing Morgana. The cat is brash, unselfaware, and reckless. He will do something stupid because it seems a good idea at the time. Him blabbing about his time travel will make him either be believed, or potentially to psychologically unstable to keep a Persona.
 
Ken has a Knowledge of 2, so if Morgana & Akihiko are considered stupid even with Knowledge 3... Either we're even worse or Morgana & Akihiko's intelligence is being underestimated.

@SeekerofDreams: I know the numbers aren't exactly a defining representation of a character's personality, but are they still important enough to take seriously? Morgana might not be the brightest or most self-aware, but people make it sound like he has 1 in everything.
 
@SeekerofDreams: I know the numbers aren't exactly a defining representation of a character's personality, but are they still important enough to take seriously? Morgana might not be the brightest or most self-aware, but people make it sound like he has 1 in everything.
The numbers for Social Stats are there for a reason. Otherwise, they would not be there. It's not that, say, Aki and Morgana are stupid, it's that their Courage outweighs Knowledge by a large enough portion for a lot of things to seem like a good idea at the time. And what they do does have grounds in logical reasoning, it's just that they're going off of faulty evidence.

At the very least, Morgana genuinely is smarter than Ken when he thinks before he acts. It's just that he doesn't do that.
Adhoc vote count started by SeekerofDreams on May 16, 2019 at 2:14 PM, finished with 1506 posts and 12 votes.
 
Hmm, not too much longer until the vote is called... Well, I'll say it again: Training/Weapon can be done freely, whereas keeping Morgana out of trouble is more time-sensitive. Since Morgana isn't actually stupid, we simply just need to explain things and get him to think it through.

Plus, for Weapon, we would need to hide it and honestly we probably won't get anything better than what SEES could provide. We'd be better off using Cruel Attack and Spells until we get a good Spear.
 
I'm honestly not sure your point, when you've been trying to convince us Morgana is somehow dumber than Ken. Seeker not only confirmed Social Stats matter, she also confirmed Morgana isn't stupid. Just doesn't think things through and uses faulty evidence.
 
Plus, for Weapon, we would need to hide it and honestly we probably won't get anything better than what SEES could provide. We'd be better off using Cruel Attack and Spells until we get a good Spear.
I disagree. We're fucked once we run out of SP, especially since we don't have access to SP restoratives, so we need to focus on sustainable beatdowns, and a weapon is better than no weapon.
 
I disagree. We're fucked once we run out of SP, especially since we don't have access to SP restoratives, so we need to focus on sustainable beatdowns, and a weapon is better than no weapon.

We only have Strength 6 though, and unless we get a Critical Success for Weapon Loot, we probably won't get anything that helpful. Besides, unless Ken gets dragged into combat, he won't need a Spear soon anyways. Morgana probably won't go alone now, least not into Tartarus.
Adhoc vote count started by Kkutlord on May 16, 2019 at 2:57 PM, finished with 1512 posts and 12 votes.
 
We only have Strength 6 though, and unless we get a Critical Success for Weapon Loot, we probably won't get anything that helpful. Besides, unless Ken gets dragged into combat, he won't need a Spear soon anyways. Morgana probably won't go alone now, least not into Tartarus.
Then why are you talking about Morgana going into Tartarus when you think he won't?
I'm honestly not sure your point, when you've been trying to convince us Morgana is somehow dumber than Ken. Seeker not only confirmed Social Stats matter, she also confirmed Morgana isn't stupid. Just doesn't think things through and uses faulty evidence.
And Morgana has a horrible tendency of not thinking things through. Also, you still yet to prove that Shinjiro's a good idea to tell about Morgana inspite of his extreme mental issues while he's in the middle of therapy.

Seriously, you think keeping the time travel stuff secret will help him with therapy?
 
We only have Strength 6 though, and unless we get a Critical Success for Weapon Loot, we probably won't get anything that helpful. Besides, unless Ken gets dragged into combat, he won't need a Spear soon anyways. Morgana probably won't go alone now, least not into Tartarus.
Again, any weapon is better than no weapon, and I want to go back out during the Dark Hour. We fought 5 of the weakness Shadows there are, and look at how much stronger we got, 13 HP, 28 SP, and 1 point to Magic, Agility, and Luck each.
 
Then why are you talking about Morgana going into Tartarus when you think he won't?

And Morgana has a horrible tendency of not thinking things through. Also, you still yet to prove that Shinjiro's a good idea to tell about Morgana inspite of his extreme mental issues while he's in the middle of therapy.

Seriously, you think keeping the time travel stuff secret will help him with therapy?

Regarding Tartarus: Not at all what I said. My point is Morgana knows better now than to enter Tartarus.

Regarding everything else: Again, we just explain things to Morgana beforehand, like we did when telling him about Koromaru. Since Social Stats matter, Shinjiro probably won't reveal Morgana's existence if we ask.

Finally, you keep assuming Morgana will mention the time travel thing regardless. Yet given how Morgana hasn't repeatedly pestered Akira since our first encounter, nor made a fuss about not exploring Tartarus...

If Morgana mentions the time travel, then Ken i.e us failed in properly explaining why he shouldn't do so. Thus, all Shinjiro should be dealing with, is a magic talking cat and more "inexplicable" trust from Ken.

Shinjiro is not going to finally breakdown because we introduced him to a talking cat he doesn't even have to care for.

Again, any weapon is better than no weapon, and I want to go back out during the Dark Hour. We fought 5 of the weakness Shadows there are, and look at how much stronger we got, 13 HP, 28 SP, and 1 point to Magic, Agility, and Luck each.

I want to keep poking the Dark Hour as well, but as is we're in no rush. Plus, we should do more preparing than just getting a weapon. Improving our Spells, getting an Evoker/Free Summoning, equipment, etc.

Of course, what's better than self-improvement is having a team. Since Morgana is currently our only Party Member, we need to take care of him. Besides, Shinjiro just might help Morgana train, so Morgana can keep Ken safe during the Dark Hour.
 
Yet given how Morgana hasn't repeatedly pestered Akira since our first encounter,
You're making me doubt that you've even read the quest. Because he has. Seriously, look at the time Ken brought Akira to the Shrine. Morgana pestered him like, every five minutes.
mproving our Spells, getting an Evoker/Free Summoning, equipment, etc.
Evokers are exclusive to SEES and Free SUmmoning is not as easy as you seem to think. Also, weapon is part of equipment.
Of course, what's better than self-improvement is having a team. Since Morgana is currently our only Party Member, we need to take care of him. Besides, Shinjiro just might help Morgana train, so Morgana can keep Ken safe during the Dark Hour.
Shinjiro would rather come with us during the Dark Hour than train Morgana to protect us. Do the words Guilt Complex mean nothing to you?
 
Weapon Crafting, Starring a Complete Novice
One of the first things you realize, in the morning, is that you now have black stains all over your only pair of shoes that are comfortable to run in. You're not exactly prideful in your appearance, but if anyone notices that you have what amounts to Shadow blood all over your feet... that could be a problem.

Now, you can't do all that much about the stains that are already there. But you can keep yourself from acquiring more. It's really simple, actually- you just need to stop kicking Shadows in the face.
Yes, we are not Satonaka-san.
Of course, to do that, you need an alternative fighting method that won't run out in the middle of a battle. Or run the risk of finding a Shadow that is immune to it. Okay, so the second one might be a bit harder to avoid, but that doesn't mean that you don't need to do so. More elements is good for that, right? Sure, you've got a Physical thing, but you'd rather have one that doesn't injure you when it's in use.

You need a proper weapon. Thankfully, you have basic training in one, technically. But where are you supposed to find a spear?
I don't know. Equipment was never something I really had to think about...
You suppose you could use a simple substitute- anything properly long and pointy will do- but even that, you have no idea where to find it. Or where to hide it, or... you'll have to do a lot of thinking for this, won't you?

...You suppose you could take a card from Hama and use it to trim a tree branch to your specifications... right, and you could probably fit it under your bed if you try hard enough... or just make your room the slightest bit messier. It won't be perfect, but nothing ever is, and it means you're sure to get something that you can carry.

..If you knew how to make a weapon. And could find a branch. And lots of other things. Well, at least you have a sort of plan for your weekend. Time to get started.


Acquiring a tree branch is actually fairly easy, when you have magical cards to throw. The first one misses, but the second one knocks down a branch of decent size, which you quickly drag off before nobody notices. Once that's done, you set to work crafting your own weapon.

By no means would you ever call it a proper spear. Really, you just strip off the bark and turn the tip into a proper point. You don't think it'll be all that good at stabbing things, but it's still better than nothing, and it at least gives you something to practice with.

You also wrap the not-pointy end with duct tape, to make a sort of handle for it. It looks a bit ridiculous, but it's not like you're aiming for style here.
I can't even say we're doing a lot for functionality.
You end up hiding your 'spear' under your bed, where nobody will find it unless they go looking. Which they might, but you're not too worried about that. You did, after all, make sure to try and keep it out of sight of the various people in the building.

Now that that's done, you need to think of what to do next. (Pick up to three)


[ ] Spend time with friends.
-[ ] Maiko.
-[ ] Akira.
-[ ] Kirijo-san and Sanada-san. (+Empathy)
-[ ] Shinjiro-san.
-[ ] Saito-san, Morgana, and Koromaru.

[ ] Read more about mythology. (+Knowledge)

[ ] Practice with your new... 'spear'. (+Courage)

[ ] Practice Channeling.
-[ ] Hama
-[ ] Kouha
-[ ] Zio
--[ ] By yourself.
--[ ] Get help from Sanada-san.
-[ ] Dia
--[ ] By yourself.
--[ ] Get help from Sanada-san and Kirijo-san.
-[ ] Cruel Attack
 
Now, you can't do all that much about the stains that are already there. But you can keep yourself from acquiring more. It's really simple, actually- you just need to stop kicking Shadows in the face.
Yes, we are not Satonaka-san.
Of course, to do that, you need an alternative fighting method that won't run out in the middle of a battle. Or run the risk of finding a Shadow that is immune to it. Okay, so the second one might be a bit harder to avoid, but that doesn't mean that you don't need to do so. More elements is good for that, right? Sure, you've got a Physical thing, but you'd rather have one that doesn't injure you when it's in use.

You need a proper weapon. Thankfully, you have basic training in one, technically. But where are you supposed to find a spear?
I don't know. Equipment was never something I really had to think about...
You suppose you could use a simple substitute- anything properly long and pointy will do- but even that, you have no idea where to find it. Or where to hide it, or... you'll have to do a lot of thinking for this, won't you?

You also wrap the not-pointy end with duct tape, to make a sort of handle for it. It looks a bit ridiculous, but it's not like you're aiming for style here.
I can't even say we're doing a lot for functionality.
You end up hiding your 'spear' under your bed, where nobody will find it unless they go looking. Which they might, but you're not too worried about that. You did, after all, make sure to try and keep it out of sight of the various people in the building.

[ ] Spend time with friends.
-[ ] Maiko.
-[ ] Akira.
-[ ] Kirijo-san and Sanada-san. (+Empathy)

[ ] Read more about mythology. (+Knowledge)

[ ] Practice with your new... 'spear'. (+Courage)
Invisitext.

Kirijo and Sanada are grouped up together a lot this time, wonder why.
 
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-[ ] Kirijo-san and Sanada-san. (+Empathy)
[ ] Read more about mythology. (+Knowledge)
[ ] Practice with your new... 'spear'. (+Courage)

[X] Spend time with friends.
-[X] Kirijo-san and Sanada-san. (+Empathy)

[X] Read more about mythology. (+Knowledge)

[X] Practice with your new... 'spear'. (+Courage)

Go all in on those shinies, especially Empathy (we still need 4) and Knowledge. Still think we could of gotten more overall dealing with Morgana.
 
[x] Practice with your new... 'spear'. (+Courage)

this is the one I'm most worried about. I'll defer to other people on the social actions.

wrt Morgana not going into Tartarus...
he goes into the Okumura Palace essentially by himself in canon. idr if he's met Haru yet or not, but considering she only has a partial Persona manifestation, she doesn't count for much at the time. so I think he absolutely would go into Tartarus.
 
[X] Spend time with friends.
-[X] Kirijo-san and Sanada-san. (+Empathy)
[X] Read more about mythology. (+Knowledge)
[X] Practice with your new... 'spear'. (+Courage)

Courage is important. And so is Knowledge to not become a Morgana or Akihiko. And we still got the Empathy 4 needed.
 
[X] Spend time with friends.
-[X] Kirijo-san and Sanada-san. (+Empathy)
--[X] Ask about the full moon. It feels important to you for some reason, and it's coming up soon.
[X] Read more about mythology. (+Knowledge)
[X] Practice Channeling.
-[X] Dia
--[X] Get help from Sanada-san and Kirijo-san.

Mythology for Knowledge, and hanging out with Sanada and Kirijo to see why they're grouped up this week, and for Empathy, and Dia because the stronger our heals our, the less casting from HP costs us.

Edit: Asking about the full moon could be risky, so I'd get not asking about it.
 
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Mythology for Knowledge, and hanging out with Sanada and Kirijo to see why there grouped up this week, and for Empathy, and Dia because the stronger our heals our, the less casting from HP costs us.
I'm not sure what convinces you that training Dia will increase it's power. Odds are, it's better for figuring out Channeling tricks.
 
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