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Oh, hey. This won't actually help.
Arguably it could if Amu was to write the program using the existing one as components or a proof-of-concept (Artifacts for instance can use "existing plans" and reverse-engineering to make it easier to construct them), but yeah, a straight-up patch is somewhat outside its reach.
 
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Is this a good time to point out that Fumi's version of the devil summoning program does not come with a harmonizer?

The improved version exists, that's true, but it's pretty much in the Artifact N/A range of bullshit. Alcor made it. It's still a computer program, and it can potentially be copied, but dissecting it...

Hmm.

The 'creepy blond kid' is, of course, Lucifer.

In short? Naoki is Lucifer's gambit, Amu is Midori's, or at least Midori would like to think so. Midori works for Lucifer, mind you.

<Lucifer> And she's completely breaking my plans. This is bullshit, and highly unexpected. But also very interesting!

Oh, come on, Lucy. You saw what the Sidereal shard did; you should have known better.
 
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Hmm.



Oh, come on, Lucy. You saw what the Sidereal shard did; you should have known better.

Two Entirely different paradigms.

Sidereals are really good at being unnoticed until the trap snaps closed, their power is best at playing the long game in a way that more powerful beings have trouble detecting unless they're paying really close attention and know what to look for.

Solars... Uh, inherently draw the most attention, glowing with the light of a burning sun does that.
 
Arguably it could if Amu was to write the program using the existing one as components or a proof-of-concept (Artifacts for instance can use "existing plans" and reverse-engineering to make it easier to construct them), but yeah, a straight-up patch is somewhat outside its reach.
And, of course, in theory you could write a new program to take input from a file and spit it out to another file... then just strip off the file-manipulation code and stuff the rest into the program you're trying to modify, which is about a two-minute task if you'd been planning to do that.

You'd need to use header files/module definitions from the original program, but if you can't use those, then you probably can't use the standard library, either... well, but Charms are bullshit.

This sounds like it needs a GM ruling. @Baughn?

Sidereals are really good at being unnoticed until the trap snaps closed, their power is best at playing the long game in a way that more powerful beings have trouble detecting unless they're paying really close attention and know what to look for.
Ssh! You'll ruin Midori's plans.

Just spent some time chatting with Baughn, we'll probably want to avoid TWTT and HAM for now, because they still take a week per dot to get, and we can't stack them unfortunately. Since right now, we have Hell Week ahead of us, we have no way of actually benefitting from that until the Septentrions (And potentially Polaris) have been brought to heel.

They will, however, be critical in the transition between DS2's plot and Nocturne's though.

Mind expositing briefly on this, Alectai? I want them mostly for the decrease in personal training time, but this makes it sound like you had other specific plans for its use.
 
The issue is that they take a week to "Kick In". Which means that until we're sure we actually Have weeks to go on, it's risky to buy, since it's medium-term investment when even the Short Term is going to take most of our energy to keep up with.
 
The issue is that they take a week to "Kick In". Which means that until we're sure we actually Have weeks to go on, it's risky to buy, since it's medium-term investment when even the Short Term is going to take most of our energy to keep up with.
No, I understand why you don't want them now. I just wanted to know if you had specific plans for what to do with them later.
 
No, I understand why you don't want them now. I just wanted to know if you had specific plans for what to do with them later.

Isn't it obvious? With those two Charms in play, and even a Month of preptime, we can get peak humans handling the backend and helping with our defenses. That means we can actually afford to Delegate, which means we can actually prepare ourselves to engage targets nobody else has a chance against.
 
Isn't it obvious? With those two Charms in play, and even a Month of preptime, we can get peak humans handling the backend and helping with our defenses. That means we can actually afford to Delegate, which means we can actually prepare ourselves to engage targets nobody else has a chance against.
Can we, though? They only get up to four dots a month. Unless we can train a person in multiple things at once, or at least run multiple HAM/TWTTs on different groups of people, four dots won't get people up to "peak human".
 
The idea is that our targets will have basic competence to begin with. 3/3 is pretty reasonable for a regular soldier, and we could easily raise them to 5/5
 
Just to let you guys know If you turn Amu into a party buffer and we have to fight a strong enemy alone I'm going to laugh at you.
 
Just to let you guys know If you turn Amu into a party buffer and we have to fight a strong enemy alone I'm going to laugh at you.
Fair enough, just like one can laugh if it turns everything falls part because you didn't make a strong team, and just focused on personal combat ability instead.

Some guesses and luck on how to best go forward will probably be required.
 
Besides, as someone who has before threatened to laugh at misplays (and then done so after they proceeded to happen, just in private), I recommend saving such proclamations for after potential screwups have even a snowball's chance in hell of coming to pass
 
The thing is that we can be Both, a buffer and an individual combattant of vast potency.

But At the moment, we need someone who can help us project power, over someone who can take down a Septentrion one-on-one.

Letting the world go to smash so you can better take on a single boss isn't really a good deal, because even if you can solo them, you've likely sacrificed a lot to allow for that.
 
Yeah, PRIMARY job is not having the world go smash into tiny sparkly bits.

The bosses, they're a problem because they're speeding the smash along, but are not completely impossible to fight by the other heroes and forces on the field(heck, they could always wind up trying to kill each other, we're at a multifactional clusterfuck).

We're a badass asskicker, but asskicking power isn't the issue here because even our Perfects aren't completely perfect locally. Due to that, even with powerful combat charms, we're only slightly better off in a boss rush. We'd take some damage, possibly permanent if we hit it head on.
 
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For the first part, which everyone seems to have forgotten:
[X] "Why, is it security-sensitive?"
- [X] If it's not, anyone can watch who wants to (even Nanako, if her father's OK with it).
- [X] If it is, keep anyone who doesn't have a clearance (that is, anyone whose last name isn't Kanno or Hinamori) from watching.
- - [X] Maya can't watch the whole thing, but take snapshots that that don't have our people in them and ask her about them: the armies of angels, the Septentriones, those two fighting each other.
Since this is still the only suggestion for the first part of the vote, I'm just going to copy it until someone suggests something better.

[X] "Why, is it security-sensitive?"
- [X] If it's not, anyone can watch who wants to (even Nanako, if her father's OK with it).
- [X] If it is, keep anyone who doesn't have a clearance (that is, anyone whose last name isn't Kanno or Hinamori) from watching.
- - [X] Maya can't watch the whole thing, but take snapshots that that don't have our people in them and ask her about them: the armies of angels, the Septentriones, those two fighting each other.

[x] Train:
-[x] First Lore Excellency
-[x] God-Mind Algorithms
-[x] Solar Parser Efficiency
-[x] Software Firm Fingertips
-[x] All remaining dots of Occult
-[x] Last dot of Lore

[x] Research the Septentriones, learn everything you possibly can about them.
[x] Help Fumi stabilise and improve the Dragon Seal.

@Baughn What kind of equipment bonuses are we able to get at the Diet? How much of a penalty are we taking from unfamiliarity with Fumi's systems? Can we use SFF to accelerate mass producing harmonizers?

Does anyone have any suggestions for changes to any part of the vote? In particular there hasn't been any substantial discussion of the first part yet.
 
Can we use SFF to accelerate mass producing harmonizers?
The entire point of a program (which the Harmonizer is) is that you only need to build one, which you then copy onto whatever other platforms are supposed to run it. It's software.
The question to ask is if we can mass produce the hardware, not the software. Also if we need to produce any hardware.

The plan looks good, though I'm going to wait a bit before giving it my vote, just in case.

Also, important note:
Oh, hey. This won't actually help.

Solar Parser Efficiency is still pretty much a requirement, though.
Translating a program from what sounds like a dedicated platform (the COMPs) to our own equipment is basically writing an entirely new program. Depending on specifics, we might just have to create an emulator that runs on whatever device is currently being used for summoning (this is actually probably the simplest method, honestly, if the hardware can handle it).
 
The second Occult Excellency might be worth having
Quick-learn slots are beside the point. No infernal charms are usable without Exa first spending the time to restore them, and then adapt them to Amu, neither of which is quick.

They would then cost 16 XP per charm, yes, and take a number of weeks to learn. Which you can cut down on using quick-learn slots, should you still have any left. She can't pull from the entire non-Solar charm list, by the way; this is only a possibility at all because of Exa's history.
Not being entirely familiar with Exalted mechanics, how much would it cost to raise Dia's Craft(Reality) and how fast could it happen?

And am I understanding correctly that a lot of the computer charms could cross-apply to Craft Reality?
 
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Hold it—

COMPs are DeSu1. DeSu2 uses ordinary cellphones for the same purpose. The difference, I suppose, is that Alcor is better at designing these things than a 'mere mortal' like Caine.
@Baughn What kind of equipment bonuses are we able to get at the Diet? How much of a penalty are we taking from unfamiliarity with Fumi's systems? Can we use SFF to accelerate mass producing harmonizers?
Computers are computers are computers, by and large. Fumi has gathered a nice collection of them at JPs, giving her a +1 bonus over just using a random laptop found in a shop, but you'd need to get really esoteric to go above that.

Solars don't take penalties from unfamiliarity. It's one of the ways in which they are bullshit. Familiarity can provide bonuses, but there's a difference; everyone else takes a -2 penalty just for lacking familiarity, which will graduate to 0 after training. Amu starts at 0.
Not being entirely familiar with Exalted mechanics, how much would it cost to raise Dia's Craft(Reality) and how fast could it happen?
I can't tell you until you've met her.
Yakumo Yukari said:
What would it take to fix someone who's taken a lethal dose of radiation?
Using Solar Medicine?

An extended roll of Intelligence + Min(Craft(Genesis), Medicine) against difficulty 5, at one hour per roll until you've accumulated 20 successes.
 
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And am I understanding correctly that a lot of the computer charms could cross-apply to Craft Reality?
Not exactly. A physics-enforcer like the Dragon Seal needs to be reactive, and one of the ways to do that is to use computer programs. There are other ways, this is just the most obvious one.

There are other skills than just programming involved, meaning the computer charms only apply to part of the job.
Yakumo Yukari said:
Hey, you mentioned that Japan is richer than Creation. That's great, but what does it mean, exactly? In terms of mechanics?
First off, please stop breaking the fifth wall; make an account like normal people.

To answer your question, the distribution of Resource backgrounds is shifted two dots up versus Creation, meaning that the same fraction of the population that has one dot in Creation has three in Japan. This isn't a simple linear shift; some items, such as human time, are far more expensive than they would be in Creation. Other items are not to be had in Creation at all, while they're commonplace in Japan.
 
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Not being entirely familiar with Exalted mechanics, how much would it cost to raise Dia's Craft(Reality) and how fast could it happen?
The Exalted mechanics I can fill you in on, though. Assuming a) Craft (reality) is one of her favored Abilities, and b) she raises Abilities at Solar costs (almost certainly true if we're Chara-Changed with her), it'll take about an hour and cost [(new rating) x 2 - 1] XP to raise C(r).

If it's not favored, or she doesn't use Solar costs, it'll probably take (new rating x 2) XP and (new rating) weeks to train natively. We'll want to use HAM+LSC (Lore 4/Lore 5 training charms) to train a dot per week instead.
 
I think that the 2nd occult excellency would be very useful to have since it means we can reliably understand the situation when high urgency bizzare shenanigans occur ... like the tunnel incident. A lot more useful than the last dot of Lore to my point of view.


[X] "Why, is it security-sensitive?"
- [X] If it's not, anyone can watch who wants to (even Nanako, if her father's OK with it).
- [X] If it is, keep anyone who doesn't have a clearance (that is, anyone whose last name isn't Kanno or Hinamori) from watching.
- - [X] Maya can't watch the whole thing, but take snapshots that that don't have our people in them and ask her about them: the armies of angels, the Septentriones, those two fighting each other.

[x] Train:
-[X] Second Occult Excellency
-[x] First Lore Excellency
-[x] God-Mind Algorithms
-[x] Solar Parser Efficiency
-[x] Software Firm Fingertips
-[x] All remaining dots of Occult

[x] Research the Septentriones, learn everything you possibly can about them.
[x] Help Fumi stabilise and improve the Dragon Seal.
[X]Have Miki contact/ally/recruit anyone involved in whatever supernatural shenanigans Teddy is involved in.
-[X]Only tease Miki a little about spending more time with Teddy
 
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Hold it—

COMPs are DeSu1. DeSu2 uses ordinary cellphones for the same purpose. The difference, I suppose, is that Alcor is better at designing these things than a 'mere mortal' like Caine.
Well shit, that massively simplifies things. I was assuming it was running on a purpose-built device because that means we're ready to do extra work if necessary. If it just runs on cellphones, we should be able to distribute it pretty easily.

Computers are computers are computers, by and large. Fumi has gathered a nice collection of them at JPs, giving her a +1 bonus over just using a random laptop found in a shop, but you'd need to get really esoteric to go above that.

Solars don't take penalties from unfamiliarity. It's one of the ways in which they are bullshit. Familiarity can provide bonuses, but there's a difference; everyone else takes a -2 penalty just for lacking familiarity, which will graduate to 0 after training. Amu starts at 0.
Programs are also tools! A good interface makes your work significantly easier, through various methods. Notepad is functional, but doesn't provide any tools to make reading it easier or to test it. Compare that to UltraEdit (which I note simply because I have it on my computer), which has a ton of features to help with basically everything short of knowing the language.
 
Programs are also tools! A good interface makes your work significantly easier, through various methods. Notepad is functional, but doesn't provide any tools to make reading it easier or to test it. Compare that to UltraEdit (which I note simply because I have it on my computer), which has a ton of features to help with basically everything short of knowing the language.
They are. You can assume that Amu (or Fumi) will use the best tools that will run on their computers, which is again largely independent of those computers; Emacs isn't particularly heavyweight. The programming charms largely make this a moot point.
Yakumo Yukari said:
I've been wondering about Midori and Dia. Is she—
Go away.
 
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