Are they strong and contenious opinions or simply something you've observed?

I consider it mostly the latter. I've already formulated what I would say in what I think would not be an argumentative, insulting or aggressive manner, but that's from my perspective.

I will not post it without getting an explicit green light, due to what I said previously.
 
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Might as well open the discussion. What about Eggcity? Personally don't want her there, but I suspect we got better chance of treating her there.
 
[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base

Also, I was making this for the omake reward but someone beat me to it. Oh well, I still hope you enjoy it.

Matters of Clothes, Cash, and Country
Egg City. A shining metropolis. To the Darcsen, it is a sign of hope for the people who were enslaved by the Empire for the mere act of existing. On the outside it is composed of impossible tech, dazzling people with its gleaming lights and architecture. It screams "come here, behold my genius and be excited for what's in store!"

Despite this however, inside a modern apartment, a young dark haired girl just reaching the cusp of adulthood is sprawled over a couch, moaning in discontentment. An adult man opens the door, carrying a bag filled with groceries. Seeing the girl he sighs.

"Cathrin, you haven't moved an inch since I left."

The girl lets out another groan in reply. The man sighs, and gets to work putting the groceries away. "It's a lovely day out. Maybe you could go out and make some friends. Maybe do something fun?"

"Do what, dad?" she grumbles. "There is nothing to do in this city."

"Nothing? Are you sure?"

"Nothing besides get lost in this crazy place. Most of the buildings don't seem to have any clear purpose outside of the factories. Lots of buildings are weirdly empty. One of the buildings has a ramp leading up, kind of like something is suppose to… go there. But it's not possible. Like those loops in the city."

"What about those… bouncy bumper things along the road?"

"I mean, it was fun for a bit, but after a week of only that you get tired of it. And those boost things on the road scare me. And I don't get me started on the gambling places, we don't even have money!"

"I get what you're saying…" her dad says, turning to face her after putting the last bit of food in the fridge. "I have had no idea what to do since we got here either. I mean, I've been talking with the others pretty regularly, but suddenly all this free time… I can't remember the last time I actually had this much free time."

"The time to do whatever we want, but nothing worth doing in this place besides listen to DJ KB…"

The man gives a sigh as he picks up the last item out of his bag. However, instead of food it's a box, catching Cathrin's eyes. "What's that?"

"A package from your uncle. It came with a letter saying the sheep farm is going well."

"Finally! I'll get my things!" she gets up and rummages through a drawer before taking out a gleaming knitting needle before returning to her father. "Does he get any weird looks from those… mobians? I heard they look like animals."

"I haven't asked. Not a lot of mobians around where he is, so probably not. Let me see…" he cuts the tape and is greeted by a good amount of wool. "Ah, this stuff is good. Just in time too, it's going to get colder soon."

"Not a lot though… Only enough for maybe some mittens. Well, I'll get started."

The girl prepares her needles and gets to work as her father watches. Slowly, a mitten is formed. Eventually she starts to hum a song to herself, which her father joins in with a relaxed smile. When the crescendo is reached, her dad speaks.

"I'm glad you still remember that song."

"How could I forget? Mom always hummed it when sewing and knitting. I just felt since she taught me…"

"It's only natural. You've really grown up Cathrin."

Cathrin having finished her work holds up the mittens, knitted in the customary Darcsen style. She puts them on. "Nice and warm, just like mom," she laughs. "Not as nice as she would make though."

"Maybe not, but if you practice I know you will get as good as her someday."

"Thanks dad. Now… now I have nothing to do again," she sighs, flopping back onto the couch. "Next time ask uncle for more wool."

Her dad rolls his eyes. "Sure, sure. If you don't have anything else to do though, how about you take a walk outside."

"I told you, there's nothing to do in the city!" she whines.

"At least it will get you some exercise. Wear the mittens too, we have to see how they handle in the cold."

"Fine, fine."

Cathrin gets up and leaves the apartment, slamming the door on her way out. Once she is out, the cold hits her. It isn't too bad, only a slight chill that representing a sign of the weather to come. She wanders down the street, past her fellow Darcsen.

"Now what? My friend is sick. That one robot didn't appreciate me fiddling with those hologram streetlights either. Maybe I could just… run around in one of those empty buildings.

"Hey!" She hears someone call, and turning around she is greeted by an old man. His clothes are old and torn. Not fit for the current weather at all.

"Hello. Are you one of the new refugees?"

"Ah, yes, I imagine my clothing stands out quite a bit," he says, giving a kind smile. "These old bones weren't made for this type of weather I'm afraid. I happened to notice your mittens. They look new."

"Oh," she raises her hands to give him a better look at them. "I made them myself. I was taught by my mother."

"I can see. Those markings show them as Darcsen made. It has been a bit since I've seen anything made by one of ours. Well, anything that didn't have all of our heritage stripped from us. I… don't mean to bother you young lady, but I am quite cold. I don't have anything besides what I'm wearing, so I cannot give you anything, but I would appreciate if you could give this old man your mittens."

Cathrin for a second is surprised. Looking at her hands, she cannot help but feel a bit of a connection with her new mittens. But a voice whispers in her ear. "Our people have so little, we need to help each other. It's how I'm alive, and how you're alive. I hope with these skills you might be able to help those who need it as well."

But… she doesn't want to give her hard work away for nothing either. And she's bored.

"I'll give them to you if you tell me a joke."

The man's eyes widen in surprise. "Y-you want a joke?"

"Yeah, I haven't heard a joke in ages."

"Hmm," the man puts a hand to his chin. He hos and hums for a few seconds before something comes to him. "My son always loved this one. Why does the Empire call them Valkyurs?"

"Why?"

"Because they sure as hell aren't Valkmine!" he says, gesturing like he had just said something incredible.

The silence lasts for a good few seconds, and his enthusiasm quickly diminishes until he is looking embarrassed at the ground. "I'm sorry miss, I guess that isn't a good one."

"I mean… it's okay." Despite her words, she begins to take off her mittens before holding them out to the man, "Here."

"Y-you are giving them to me? I thought you didn't like the joke."

"I didn't, but I didn't ask for a funny joke."

The old man hesitantly takes them, tears in his eyes. "Miss… thank you. It has been so long since I have gotten anything. I will remember this. What's your name?"

"Cathrin."

"Thank you Cathrin."

And with that leaves with his knew mittens. The sight of the joy in the old man's eyes make Cathrin smile. It's good to help.

Wait… an idea comes to her. Maybe she has found a way to deal with this boredom and help her people. Turning to one of the nearby robots who happened to be watching, she gives her kindest smile.

"Hey. So, are there any requirements to set up a store? And does Eggman's country have some sort of currency?"



And so the Cathrin and her father got to work. Having an uncle who owned sheep made it very easy to get a supply line set up, and before she knew it she had plenty of wool. Then for the next few days she knitted. Coats, mittens, pants, socks. It's hard work, but the Darcsen never shied away from hard work. After making enough product, it was easy enough to take a nearby building for their needs, seeing as so many were rather empty.

Now standing behind the desk of the Darc Sheep, she looks at her father. "So, everything is ready?"

"Everything is stocked and ready."

"Than you think we are ready to open up?"

He turns to his daughter and looks at her for a moment, looking at her intensely. "Dad?" Then he smiles.

"Just, I'm so proud of you. I knew we raised you well."

"Dad…" she turns away, and rubbing some tears from her eyes. "Let's just open it already, I don't want to get embarrassed when we get customers."

And so the sign was switched to open, and before long the first customers come in. A woman with her toddler, looking about the store. "It has been so long since I've seen clothes like this in a store…" she approaches the desk.

"Hello ma'am, welcome to the Black Sheep! I'm Egon, and this is my daughter Cathrin, how can we help you today?"

"Do you have anything for children? My daughter here needs something… Oh, who am I kidding, we don't have any money. I'm sorry for bothering you."

The woman quickly turns around, but is stopped a quick "wait" stops her in her tracks.

"First time customers get a free clothing item, so don't worry!" Igram says, with Cathrin quickly approaching with a tiny coat.

"This should be the right size for her. Have her try it on!"

The woman is surprised, but does as she is told. Once it is on the girl it stands out as being a little too big, but… "it's great! This should keep her warm!"

"We're glad!"

However, despite this the woman is still clearly bothered by something. "Um, I might want to buy something else from you in the future, but I still have no money."

"Well than, we have just the thing for you!" Cathrin runs behind the counter, and holds out three woolen squares. Weaved into one is an egg. Another, an eggpawn. And finally, the dark visage of the city's leader, the same one that is plastered everywhere. All are covered in the traditional symbols of the Darcsen.

"What are these?"

"This!" she points at the egg, "is a shell! This," she points to the pawn, "is a yolk. Worth ten shells. And this" she points to the last one "is a king egg, worth five yolks. They are the new currency!"

"Did… did you make these?" Truthfully they looked more like drink coasters than money.

"I… did, yes. Without any money I had to come up with something myself," she says, looking a tad bit embarrassed. "It isn't like there are mints for this. I was kind of hoping that if this became big enough maybe someone else could make them without wool."

"Well, this is really impressive!" the older woman looks to her daughter. "Isn't it?"

"Impwessive!" the girl echoes.

Egon laughs, putting a hand on his daughter's head and tussling her hair. "That's my daughter, thinking about our future!"

She backs away, shooting him an annoyed look. Then she looks back at the woman. "We're selling these for jokes!"

"Jokes?"

Egon pulls out a book and pencil. "Yeah, we have to get this currency out somehow. If the joke is just okay, we'll give you a shell. If it can make one of us laugh, you'll get a yolk. If you can get both of us to laugh, we'll give you a big king egg. I'll put it inside this book for posterity."

"But you can only do it once a day! Gotta avoid over doing it, other people will need money to buy this stuff! Also… um." Again the girl looks embarrassed. "We would appreciate if you could tell any friends who can sew or knit about us. I… I didn't consider how much work making this money is."

The woman gives a motherly grin. "I have plenty of friends who can. I think they'd be happy to give some help!"

"Really?"

"Yes! Many of us have been looking for something to do. I think they'd be happy to help jump start this place's economy."

It was a small step. But it was a step to making this empty city feel like a true home to the Darcsen.

AN: Well, our economy had to start somewhere, and Eggman probably didn't care enough to do anything beyond the bare minimum for the Darcsen. However, people will inevitably buy and sell goods, and hopefully the Darcsen will see this new city as a chance to dazzle people with their cultural identity now that they don't have to deal with persecution.
 
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[X] "Keep to the plan Rouge, I want eyes in the castle." (Rouge will complete her infiltration of the palace and Eggman gains tier 2 infiltration of The Empire, expanding the Rival Report information)

I'm . . confused as to what people see in Selvaria. Sure, she's a victim of the system that's groomed her. She's also, you know, an active boot to the neck of the enemies of Max? You know, Max. The guy that heads the faction that hunts humans for sport? The slaver, Max? She's his enforcer. She commits warcrimes. Here, at the end of her life, we see her gearing herself up to murder as many innocents as she possibly can in a strategic explosion attempting to wipe an entire city which can be millions of human beings off the map. Because that's how her brain's built right now.

And I look at these arguments for us to kidnap and gaslight this terminally ill monstrous woman and the way the arguments characterize it as a good thing (as in a morally good thing to do) and I'm just. I don't agree with you? No matter what else happens, the vote is to kidnap and then attempt to manage her own loyalties and preferences in such a way that we can take advantage of her.

Frankly I think it's protagonist centered morality mindset. Flipping a monstrous, inhumane walking nuke to our side doesn't make her humane. It just changes who holds the leash. I'd even probably classify it in the same classification of wrongdoing as what Max was doing (specifics and treatment being different, presumably).

I think what bothers me is the idea that what we'd be doing is good rather than the idea that people want to do it. I don't mind doing it. I think it's probably better than just killing her here (we don't have that option, but in a hypothetical sense). I'm all for doing what you want to do selfishly because you want it done, but good? Good? No. I don't think this is a morally good thing to do. It's a fine thing to do, but a lot of the benefits will come from pulling her twisted psyche into a shape we prefer and taking samples of her body for use by her enemies (enemies of the Empire). It's uh, actually pretty fucked up.

If I wanted to torment a zealot twisting them to the point that they fought against the only affection and care they'd ever been shown on behalf of the enemies they swore to destroy would be a pretty damn fucked up thing to do to someone. Most zealots would consider glorious martyrdom a much better end than a betrayal of literally everything they've ever known and cared for.
Ok, so your right in most of this, I do agree that I have little interest in her as a unit...but I have more interest in Removing her As a unit for Max. if there was a option to, Idk, have rouge kill her so she *can't* blow up *our stronghold* then I would say go for the emerald, but as it stands, we have a sick, wounded one use *fuck this one place* girl (likely!) who, based on the egg city already being crossed out is the *most* likely way they are doing it (20% chance of a second superweapon instead) I *wish* we could risk doing gem or intel instead, but the fact they already got us crossed out seems to suggest a clear plan *to fuck us over asap* Thats why I am voting to take her out. Coldly, rouge dying is *very bad* but its less bad then our *base* being destroyed, leaving us with no pyramid, no base, no followers, less then a prince!
 
Some of the bounties are repeatable so maybe check to see if this counts for one of them?

Also could someone leave me a slot? I'm trying to write up something to help with the meeting next turn.

I don't like writing omakes specifically for the reward outside of bounties, but that's me personally. Also how many have you written for this turn?

For what it's worth though, I'd be surprised if there isn't an option for that from my own omake.

Regardless, we're at 22/25 right now.
 
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[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base

Speaking of superweapons, what happened to that gun?
 
You know, Max. The guy that heads the faction that hunts humans for sport? The slaver, Max? She's his enforcer. She commits warcrimes.
I have to dispute that last one.

The only Warcrime that one could argue Selvaria commits on-screen in the Game is the fake surrender followed by Final Flame at the very end of her tale. Everything before that only shows her fighting and commanding troops the same way the Protagonists do. She never participates in actions against Darcsen or Civilians...mostly because Maximilian, for all that he's a ruthless bastard, doesn't really care about doing that for It's own sake (not that he puts much, if any, effort to stop his troops from attacking Darcsen, but he did execute that one Imperial Captain who took Civilian hostages, so...it's a bit more complicated than it seems at first glance).
In fact, the DLC where you play as her and her personal forces puts some big emphasis on who she is outside of her relationship to Maximilian, and it's very clear that she really isn't a bad person. Certainly not 'monstrous' as you lable her.

I will say that the rest of your arguments and concerns do hold up...for the most part.
However, as I stated before, what we see in Game does not show that Selvaria could never have turned around and would have to be tortured or manipulated into obedience for that to happen. I genuinely believe that, had she gotten the chance to truly think and talk about everything after Maximilian ordered her to kill herself, she could have risen above her devotion to him and become her own person.
But she never got that chance. Perhaps she might, here.

Will taking her absolutely, definitely work out for us? Is it certain that she could turn herself around?
No. Of course not. I fully acknowledge that this is a gamble. There is always the risk of this going very, very wrong, at multiple turns. Success is not guaranteed, neither partial or full.
But even in the worst case that she just ends up self-destructing, we will still have denied Maximilian at the very least a weapon he could have used to nuke our Main Base, or other important targets, and likely only lose a minimal amount of assets. Even a partial success would defuse a ticking bomb and likely provide us important Bio Data and/or knowledge on top of that.
And a full success...well. That would be something to imagine. We'd gain all of the above mentioned...and perhaps a powerful Hero Unit on top of that. An ideal and hard to reach outcome? Definitely. But worth the risk, with the options we got.

Either way, even completely outside of personal wishes as a Player who liked her character to save her life, at the very least, there are plenty of reasons to try and take her with us, now. Even in the least optimal outcome, should we succeed, we'd still walk out of it with a win.
 
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[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base
 
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[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Ruined Base
 
I... really don't care whether she had done war crimes? We are kinda worse in that regard. The only thing I care about is how useful she is and whether she can be trusted, and looking at how she seems to be moments away from mentally cracking, this is the best time for us to subvert her loyalty. And disregarding her strenght, the political ramification of having one of the Empire's head honcho betraying over to our side is huge. We can use her as a figure that those that loyal to the Empire could latch onto and to keep some of the Empire's army instead of completely dismantling them later once she is ready.
 
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[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Ruined Base

Selveria is a character with way too much hype around her. Everything about her is shallowly designed to manipulate you to feel bad for the sad girl waifu and I see no reason for Eggman to give a shit about her beyond depriving his enemy of a nuke who he's clearly using to destroy his seat of power. On top of that there's no reason for Eggman to want to rehabilitate her and counter-grooming Selvaria isn't a type of evil I'm comfortable doing. Best to shove her where she can't cause any problems and let her rest in peace.
 
[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base
 
Well, you see, when Eggmen love each other very much...
Hah. That got a laugh out of me.

After all, evidently Eggmen don't love each other all that much.


[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base


And to chime in on Selvaria.
1) I want to take away Selvaria precisely for asset denial - the less nukes Max has to throw around the better.

2) I want to take away Selvaria right away because that one time we've seen one of our actions directly contested by someone else, it turned out into a mess which we came out from with only a consolation prize.
-[X] Hire A New Minion- Honey the Cat
--[X] Goro Majima
Result: 1d100 (78) + 9(Eggman) + 22(Honey) + 10(Omake Bonus) - 2(Loyalty) Total: 117

Succ-
OBJECTION!

Dural:
Recruit Majima DC 90
Result: 1d100 (31) + 6(Dural) + 19(More Stick than Carrot) + 23(Breezie) + 12(???) + 5(Loyalty)
Total: 96

Success!

Continued in the interlude: "Let's Fighting Love"
Because the heroes assigned to the action bumped into the heroes from the other faction... and we lost the ensuing dance-off.

And since the purpose for Selvaria (in Max's plans) is already decided, I expect that even as early as next turn any kidnapping action we take will be contested by more than static defenses.
 
I'm mildly disappointed John Lennon wasn't hanging out in our subconscious, too.

[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base
 
If we do end up taking Selvaria, I'd like to see the looks on the Empire Negaquesters' faces as we denied them their greatest hero unit.
 
Okay, enough people are talking about it, so I'll just... put it in a smaller box, so anyone who doesn't want to see it doesn't have to.

I fully agree with JowKeen.
I want a more benevolent Eggman and want to work towards that, but know that I might not get that. So what bothers me most is the hypocrisy I see in this.

It'd be one thing if people were doing this because they want a super soldier Valkur working for us. If we were actually going to go through with breaking her down and rebuilding her as our agent. That's plenty of reason to use her. But not to save her, which is how I feel the majority of people have been framing this. Those who aren't and just want to avoid being nuked or want to turn her into our own weapon, great. No issue.

But to save her, actually save her, requires benevolence. But to see that focused on one person, who Eggman barely knows about and most certainly doesn't care about as a person, while countless others can rot? That bothers me. Because this is getting filtered through Eggman who certainly is not benevolent at this time.

This is the big reason why I was opposed to the Egg Road for a while. Because it wasn't for the Darcsen, which I would've been fine with. No, they were the side benefit and it was mostly for Cordelia, who Eggman had even less reason to care about because he didn't even know she existed. I think our window to do that without slowing ourselves down too much has passed by this point.

So, if we try so hard to save her, one person who's an enemy and has done so much harm, but we also end up making little to no effort with people at large? Like the Restoration, an actually morally good faction that is mostly comprised of civilians who just want to mostly be able to live their lives? Because I don't care about sparing their heroes, I care about sparing their people. If we don't make any kind of equivalent effort, one that I'm fine with failing as I have said before, I'm not going to be happy. Because I'm not someone who favors the individual over the majority.

As has been said, we're not playing a good person. That's a reason to be willing to do bad things, not to be inconsistent, in my opinion.
 
If we do end up taking Selvaria, I'd like to see the looks on the Empire Negaquesters' faces as we denied them their greatest hero unit.
Functionally we aren't.

The Empire Negaquesters would be raging against Zor, and Snively, for two consecutive critical failures fucking them over and taking away their greatest hero unit.

They would also have voted, in the wake of the critical failure the second, about what to do with Selvaria... and nuke faction won that contentious vote between trying to heal her and getting one final use from her.
(That's what the crossed out Egg City represents, the vote to Final Flame something has won and the Negaquest planners are already discussing the target).

So they would be raging about someone stealing their nuke, not their hero unit.
 
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Okay, enough people are talking about it, so I'll just... put it in a smaller box, so anyone who doesn't want to see it doesn't have to.

I fully agree with JowKeen.
I want a more benevolent Eggman and want to work towards that, but know that I might not get that. So what bothers me most is the hypocrisy I see in this.

It'd be one thing if people were doing this because they want a super soldier Valkur working for us. If we were actually going to go through with breaking her down and rebuilding her as our agent. That's plenty of reason to use her. But not to save her, which is how I feel the majority of people have been framing this. Those who aren't and just want to avoid being nuked or want to turn her into our own weapon, great. No issue.

But to save her, actually save her, requires benevolence. But to see that focused on one person, who Eggman barely knows about and most certainly doesn't care about as a person, while countless others can rot? That bothers me. Because this is getting filtered through Eggman who certainly is not benevolent at this time.

This is the big reason why I was opposed to the Egg Road for a while. Because it wasn't for the Darcsen, which I would've been fine with. No, they were the side benefit and it was mostly for Cordelia, who Eggman had even less reason to care about because he didn't even know she existed. I think our window to do that without slowing ourselves down too much has passed by this point.

So, if we try so hard to save her, one person who's an enemy and has done so much harm, but we also end up making little to no effort with people at large? Like the Restoration, an actually morally good faction that is mostly comprised of civilians who just want to mostly be able to live their lives? Because I don't care about sparing their heroes, I care about sparing their people. If we don't make any kind of equivalent effort, one that I'm fine with failing as I have said before, I'm not going to be happy. Because I'm not someone who favors the individual over the majority.

As has been said, we're not playing a good person. That's a reason to be willing to do bad things, not to be inconsistent, in my opinion.

Spoilered response for spoilered message.

Agreed. If we want to do bad, we should be honest about it. There's no need for petty excuses justifying our actions.

A bit unrelated, but is that why the road hadn't been made? First time seeing that I thought people would immediately do it, so I am confused why it hadn't been built. I personally want it built, though it's less for Cordelia and more because I do not like our army being entirely robots and want some alternatives againts future enemies that can subvert them. With the Darcsen being the obvious solution considering we had an action of making them into one.
 
[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Ruined Base

I fear if we go for the chaos emerald, Snively will be tasked with building a radar. (edit: Sorry, I need to reread this quest)

The bomb threat implies the Empire is unaware of the infinite energy rock in the blast radius but yoinking theirs will get every faction in Green Hill on high alert.
 
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Spoilered response for spoilered message.

Agreed. If we want to do bad, we should be honest about it. There's no need for petty excuses justifying our actions.

A bit unrelated, but is that why the road hadn't been made? First time seeing that I thought people would immediately do it, so I am confused why it hadn't been built. I personally want it built, though it's less for Cordelia and more because I do not like our army being entirely robots and want some alternatives againts future enemies that can subvert them. With the Darcsen being the obvious solution considering we had an action of making them into one.

It seemed to me that people were worried about Cordelia getting caught, that was one of the major driving forces behind the Egg Road. Once we got her, it was still something that people wanted, but not nearly as badly.

I still want it, actually. Same reasons you said, plus the Empire losing a lot of their workforce and progression towards Eggman as a better ruler. I just really think we need to prioritize getting the second Trickery action before anything else in that category. Gives us more we're able to do so we have more flexibility and also gets rid of someone working against us.

I fear if we go for the chaos emerald, Snively will be tasked with building a radar.

Snively's no longer with the Empire. Was 'rescued' by Clutch.
 
[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base


Damnnn.......fuck them Zeti, they really messed this girl up.
 
[X] "Keep to the plan Rouge, I want eyes in the castle." (Rouge will complete her infiltration of the palace and Eggman gains tier 2 infiltration of The Empire, expanding the Rival Report information)
 
[X] "Asset denial AND gaining biodata aye? Fine, grab the girl. (Rouge will abandon the infiltration and try to kidnap Selvaria Bles. A series of Trickery checks will be made with a malus because of the girl but if successful, Selvaria Bles will be stolen from The Empire. If unsuccessful, Rouge will go loud and attempt to call for evac. WARNING, if Rouge cannot evac, there is a risk of capture of death.)
- [X] Hidden Base
 
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