"I'm twelve." She is? I thought she was like 16 or something.

"She needs to talk to Kakashi when they get home." So, she's willing to talk to him about this, but not the cursed murder sword he gave her?
Did not age anyone up for this story.
That's why everyone's so awkward, they're children operating the village murder machine.
They are their canon ages.
Most are twelve, Lee, Tenten, and Neji are thirteen.

Kakashi's like... 30. He's out here smacking kids on the village dime, as the Kage wished it.

As for the murder sword... Priorities man, priorities.
 
Dungeon: Rebel Base, Level 26
Party Level: 17
Warning: Your Party Level is being divided by 3 but you only have 2 members.
You will die if you enter this dungeon.

She checks her own party contribution level, and finds she's hit level 23, which means Tenten - by quick math - is 28
Okay, I'm confused.

Party level "is being divided by three". That sounds like their party level would be 51 (17 X 3) before being divided? Why would it be divided anyway?

First assumption: The party level is being averaged over three. Like, if the dungeon is designed for a three player party and Sakura has a party of one level 23, one level 28 and one level Sir Not Appearing In This Dungeon. (23+28+0)/3 = 17 so that makes sense. Levels are exponential(ish), though, so I doubt that their party is actually equivalent to two level 17 characters. I mean, if you put three level 10 fighters against one level 30 fighter I know who I'd put my money on.
 
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First assumption: The party level is being averaged over three. Like, if the dungeon is designed for a three player party and Sakura has a party of one level 23, one level 28 (which I'll get back to) and one level Sir Not Appearing In This Dungeon. (23+28+0)/3 = 17 so that makes sense. Levels are exponential(ish), though, so I doubt that their party is actually equivalent to two level 17 characters. I mean, if you put three level 10 fighters against one level 30 fighter I know who I'd put my money on.
Yeah, the average genin team is three people and she took a three person team into the previous dungeon, both are good reasons for this dungeon to be built assuming she'd want three people with her.
 
Yeah, the average genin team is three people and she took a three person team into the previous dungeon, both are good reasons for this dungeon to be built assuming she'd want three people with her.
The system seems to run more on "video game logic" than "tabletop RPG logic". If there was a human GM running a paper-based game then they'd just up the numbers of the mobs when they have four players running a three player dungeon. Maybe add a level or two to the boss fight.

In an online or multi-player video game whichever player arrives last just won't be able to find the dungeon instance.
 
Okay, I'm confused.

Party level "is being divided by three". That sounds like their party level would be 51 (17 X 3) before being divided? Why would it be divided anyway?

First assumption: The party level is being averaged over three. Like, if the dungeon is designed for a three player party and Sakura has a party of one level 23, one level 28 and one level Sir Not Appearing In This Dungeon. (23+28+0)/3 = 17 so that makes sense. Levels are exponential(ish), though, so I doubt that their party is actually equivalent to two level 17 characters. I mean, if you put three level 10 fighters against one level 30 fighter I know who I'd put my money on.
Yes, the party level is participants added together, divided by 3.
This is the same as averaging it if there were three people. But because there's only two here, the division is hitting harder.
It's divided by 3 because the dungeon is designed around having 3 people, so instead of averaging what she has, it's just assuming she has 3 people and inputting that variable into how much you divide by.

As for it saying they're level 17 and that's bad, this is because party contribution level is stats only.
By missing an entire teammate, they're about the same stat strength as a 3 man team going in at level 17 each.
This is not to say Sakura and Tenten would actually have an issue with 3 level 17s. That's not how that works at all.
 
I do think there's an element here that Sakura may be overlooking, when considering if only three people can go in and who to leave out.

Admittedly, he is doing a very good job of going unnoticed and letting his team get experience.
 
I do think there's an element here that Sakura may be overlooking, when considering if only three people can go in and who to leave out.

Admittedly, he is doing a very good job of going unnoticed and letting his team get experience.
Adults don't count, they're all old and competent and ruin teenager plots.
Also, my humor has changed a lot over 10 years of writing porn for a living, so I don't particularly like having children interact with adults that much. I'm always worried a joke is gonna come through that I didn't personally think was bad but is actually secretly really fucking bad.

And since my fiance won't keep up with the damn story, I don't have anyone to go "Sendi nooo!"
 
It's divided by 3 because the dungeon is designed around having 3 people
Yeah, you should phrase it differently because it doesn't make sense as it is. It would be simpler, and more accurate, to just say...
Dungeon: Rebel Base, Level 26
Party Size: 3
Warning: You only have 2 members in your party!
By missing an entire teammate, they're about the same stat strength as a 3 man team going in at level 17 each.
Stat strength isn't everything, though. Higher levels also implies more powerful and flexible jutsu.
By missing an entire teammate, they're about the same stat strength as a 3 man team going in at level 17 each.
This is not to say Sakura and Tenten would actually have an issue with 3 level 17s. That's not how that works at all.
What I'm saying is that if Sakura and Tenten were level 37 and 41 (say) then their average level including Bob the imaginary ninja (level 0) would be 26. As their 'party level' exactly matches he dungeon's then supposedly they would be a good match. But I don't think that would be the case at all, a party of two much higher level characters would crush a dungeon designed for three lower level ones. If your adjusted 'party level' is not a good indicator of their effective strength relative to the dungeon then why mention it at all?
 
Yeah, you should phrase it differently because it doesn't make sense as it is. It would be simpler, and more accurate, to just say...


Stat strength isn't everything, though. Higher levels also implies more powerful and flexible jutsu.

What I'm saying is that if Sakura and Tenten were level 37 and 41 (say) then their average level including Bob the imaginary ninja (level 0) would be 26. As their 'party level' exactly matches he dungeon's then supposedly they would be a good match. But I don't think that would be the case at all, a party of two much higher level characters would crush a dungeon designed for three lower level ones. If your adjusted 'party level' is not a good indicator of their effective strength relative to the dungeon then why mention it at all?
It wouldn't be more accurate, it's saying exactly what it's doing. It would be identically accurate. It is dividing their total level by 3, that's what it's saying it's doing, that's what it's doing.
I genuinely don't understand your complaint.
And also this calc comes up again next chapter, so not understanding it is concerning.
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"Stat strength isn't everything-"
That's the point.
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It's not meant to be used that way, it's meant to say "You need this minimum stat or you're gonna have problems." And also to explain that you need 3 people.
Trying to use it in any other way is outside the intended use case.

You didn't have an issue with the system the first time it came up, why now?
The Party Contribution explanation has been out for over a month. It's threadmarked.
This is because enemy skills, traits, and equipment aren't considered in the calc either. This is why party contribution level is best used as an approximation for "I am probably ready to play with this dungeon" but one should likely be higher level or come with serious advantages for "Inescapable" dungeons.

Party level indicator being shitty is entirely on point, though.
This is true.
 
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What I'm saying is that if Sakura and Tenten were level 37 and 41 (say) then their average level including Bob the imaginary ninja (level 0) would be 26. As their 'party level' exactly matches he dungeon's then supposedly they would be a good match. But I don't think that would be the case at all, a party of two much higher level characters would crush a dungeon designed for three lower level ones. If your adjusted 'party level' is not a good indicator of their effective strength relative to the dungeon then why mention it at all?
I think you have some assumptions about how the leveling system works baked in that aren't necessarily true.
I have definitely seen systems where your starting attributes are much higher than the amount you gain per level and it weights things, especially at lower levels, so that 9 levels may not make a big difference.
 
This was probably the first time an undersize party has come up (that I've noticed).
It is.
I dunno, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I think it says what it's supposed to, and that's enough.
I could be wrong, but when I edit in one place I'm editing in 6 different places.
So if it's not a big difference, I don't do it.
 
Ah yes, one of the more blatantly dumb parts of the worldbuilding.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but it kinda makes sense to me. It seems to function like a combination of soft power displays (like the Olympics, where for example, USA and USSR would attempt to outdo each other, and USA and China doing the same today) and advertisements, showing off to wealthy clients (this is the lower tier of ninjas, just imagine how much better the higher tiers are).
 
So if it's not a big difference, I don't do it.
Eh, if you don't change anything (on this point) it won't kill me.
But if you change one thing, then I would change

Warning: Your Party Level is being divided by 3 but you only have 2 members.
to
Warning: Your Party Level is being averaged over 3 but you only have 2 members.
 
Warning: Your Party Level is being divided by 3 but you only have 2 members.
to
Warning: Your Party Level is being averaged over 3 but you only have 2 members.
Personally if it was going to be changed (which I don't necessarily recommend, if it's a lot of trouble) I would suggest:
"Warning: Recommended Party Level assumes 3 members. You will die if you enter this dungeon."

Sometimes less is more when handling information.
 
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I'm still doing it. But I agree it's stupid. I just, there's a lot I want to do with it, to make it less stupid and more fun. And I promised myself I'd do it with all my cool ideas, if I ever wrote a long standing Naruto Fic.
16 year old me won't let me not do it.
Oh there are certainly ways to have the chunin exam make sense. I generally expect such as default from any Naruto fic that cares enough about worldbuilding to be worth reading. However the bit in this chapter undermines the primary way of doing so: That it has nothing to do with promotion.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but it kinda makes sense to me. It seems to function like a combination of soft power displays (like the Olympics, where for example, USA and USSR would attempt to outdo each other, and USA and China doing the same today) and advertisements, showing off to wealthy clients (this is the lower tier of ninjas, just imagine how much better the higher tiers are).
As a propaganda event the 'exam' makes sense. Toss a handful of your young badasses into an arena to slug it out in front of a crowd. All the previous bits are just to narrow down who the specific badasses will be.
But no para-/-military organisation sane enough to persist will let another, potentially hostile, military organisation have a say in who it promotes.
No sane military organisation would restrict itself to only promoting at specific and infrequent events.
Chunin are supposed to be team-leaders, as well as being qualified to work as teachers or in the mission office. Despite this the 'exam' does absolutely nothing to test any of the skills chunin allegedly need.
The 'exam' is team based. Sakura says it is rare for a jonin to take back their recommendation… which implies that a jonin will only even enter their team if they are confident all three members are ready. Which in turn means between one and two thirds of potential candidates are being held back.
Based on the number of ninja, specifically ninja of chunin rank and above, konoha would need to have suffered no casualties or age outs for the last century for the 'exam' to have been used for all of them.

The way you fix the chunin exam is to have the POV character be aware that 99% of ninja are promoted without ever having made the final round of the so-called exam.
Except here we see Sakura thinking that getting a recommendation during the next exam (which she may not enter, may not reach the final and may not have an opportunity to demonstrate planning/leadership skills) is a big reward.
 
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The way you fix the chunin exam is to have the POV character be aware that 99% of ninja are promoted without ever having made the final round of the so-called exam.
Except here we see Sakura thinking that getting a recommendation during the next exam (which she may not enter, may not reach the final and may not have an opportunity to demonstrate planning/leadership skills) is a big reward.
You're making a ton of assumptions that weren't stated here.
I at no point said there was no other way to promote, nor did Sakura.
But also like, Sakura being an unreliable narrator is a huge part of this story so even if she did say that, it wouldn't mean much.

Also, having a universal phrase the MC has to know for it to be good worldbuilding is...
Not good worldbuilding. That creates sameness in fics, we don't want that, it's fanfiction. It's supposed to be different.
I already have my own ideas about promotion that get around the math issue Kishimoto caused, but I don't have to have Sakura know them, and I sure as hell don't have to have the MC randomly go on a rant about them for them to be valid.
 
You're making a ton of assumptions that weren't stated here.
I at no point said there was no other way to promote, nor did Sakura.
But also like, Sakura being an unreliable narrator is a huge part of this story so even if she did say that, it wouldn't mean much.

Also, having a universal phrase the MC has to know for it to be good worldbuilding is...
Not good worldbuilding. That creates sameness in fics, we don't want that, it's fanfiction. It's supposed to be different.
I already have my own ideas about promotion that get around the math issue Kishimoto caused, but I don't have to have Sakura know them, and I sure as hell don't have to have the MC randomly go on a rant about them for them to be valid.
What we know: The System is presenting this slight advantage in passing the exam as the reward for a dungeon. The previous dungeon that the System generated gave immense rewards including ownership of a country. Sakura thinks that getting a guaranteed recommendation is a significant reward. This Sakura is, despite her social obvliviousness and gaming habits, still book-smart and has ninja parents.
What this implies: Sakura knows what the exam is and how it works, otherwise she would not know what the recommendation was about. Sakura also wants to be promoted by wining the exam.
The System regards this reward as at least vaguely equivalent to owning a country. A bit of a fixer-upper but nonetheless.

Where did you get 'universal phrase'?
A rant is not required. But if the MC and the System think something is important then do not be surprised when readers take that as an indication it is important.
 
Where did you get 'universal phrase'?
The below is a universal phrase, they have to be both aware of this fact and express it to the reader for it to be valid. There's no reason it couldn't be done another way, but you're asserting it like there isn't, like it's a universal requirement.

The way you fix the chunin exam is to have the POV character be aware that 99% of ninja are promoted without ever having made the final round of the so-called exam.


Now as for the reward, I've reread it several times to try and understand where you're getting the idea that Guy's recommendation after the chunin exams has anything to do with locking promotion to the chunin exam results.

Or even that "passing the chunin exam finals" is required for the recommendations required to pass.

And I'm just not finding it.
What she finds significant is that after the Chunin exams she will be guaranteed 1/4th of her promotion as a quest reward, and Kakashi already gave her his.

This means that ace the chunin exams - canonically something she knew nothing about despite having ninja parents -, fail the chunin exams, blow up the chunin exams.

She only needs to find a way to impress two other Jonin before the end of them, when they meet and give recommendations, to gain her spot.

But people not even in the chunin exams will receive recommendations, the entire purpose is to give those that wish to show off, a better chance to get those four recommendations, especially those without sensei to network for them.

And you know, show off to other countries how awesome their ninja are, as is canon, replacement for war speech and all that.
 
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Based on the number of ninja, specifically ninja of chunin rank and above, konoha would need to have suffered no casualties or age outs for the last century for the 'exam' to have been used for all of them.
That's a heavily optimistic statement. Leaf is written as if its ninja number in the hundreds, and statted out (Fourth War, databooks, etc.) as if they number in the tens of thousands. The Sage of Six Paths himself couldn't make the numbers work.
 
This conversation is done.
Angelform went and DM'd me just to insult me over this, I won't go into detail as that's against SV rules and also I don't think the exact wording needs to be public anyway.
But this is very clearly a hot button issue, and it's very clear they're having a very bad no good day, so send them some love and stop arguing with them over it in my thread.

I have to get some work done on a comm, and I'll see you all Sunday for CH 49
 
This conversation is done.
Angelform went and DM'd me just to insult me over this, I won't go into detail as that's against SV rules and also I don't think the exact wording needs to be public anyway.
But this is very clearly a hot button issue, and it's very clear they're having a very bad no good day, so send them some love and stop arguing with them over it in my thread.

I have to get some work done on a comm, and I'll see you all Sunday for CH 49
I had literally just woken up at the time when I sent this.
I'ma be real, please do not actually message them. After ungrogging my eyes I have realized that would very rapidly become a serious problem the likes of which is not condoned on SV or my thread.

Just like, don't argue with them. There's no need to escalate a hot button issue that's clearly bothering them.
 
Chapter 49 - Arc 4 - Brawling in the Streets: Pre-Dungeon Discussion
This chapter got edited kind of a lot just now, turns out I had a horrendous series of typos that made half the chapter not make any sense at all.
The things Patrons don't tell me because they're all respectful. Sometimes I need someone to go "Hey Sendi, that didn't make any sense."
It's that reason why I don't immediately threadban pain in my asses, because sometimes I need someone willing to be a pain in my ass, and I genuinely appreciate genuine attempts to help me.
Typos and small concerns are perfectly fine to approach in thread, and if it's significant, I'm often grateful even if I can come across slightly confrontational. I grew up with a lot of abuse, and defensive is my first instinct, I try to be polite about it but you'll universally get a better response in a more controlled environment, or one where you're expressly polite.

That being said. As always, writing this story seems to attract drama and entitlement. Please understand that if you have legitimate problems with the story you think I can/should do something about, you need to DM me. If you approach it in story thread, I will be focusing on explaining why you're wrong so you don't sour the excitement of the chapter for someone else, I will not be focusing on your concerns. I am perfectly willing to have a drawn-out discussion in DMs or on the Discord where I care about your feelings and try to see your perspective, but if you insist on being a problem for everyone and souring my mood with negativity for daring to share free content with you, fuck off.

Speaking of not-free content, Patreon is on CH 70, and is on the last official Chapter of Arc 4. I will be doing probably two interlude chapters, one following Gai and Lee because they kinda got shafted this arc and I really wanted to write more of them, and one following Naruto, Sasuke, and Ino.

Please enjoy the chapter.

"Can I get you all to agree to go on an adventure with me without me explaining anything?" Sakura asks in the middle of nowhere, "I kind of need that faith right now." That's the start of her plan, making an outrageous request so her actual request that they keep questions out of her personal life and just on the mission seems a lot more reasonable. It's a sound plan in her mind, that being said, talking to the room is solidly awkward. Neji still looks pissed at her, even if he's hiding it well, the mood chart is clear enough she's not confused.

Asking them for a favor is even more awkward knowing they're about to tell her to get-

"-Yes." Neji's voice cuts through her thoughts like they're made of butter. His stoic expression doesn't change, nor does the mood chart telling her how mad he is, but his words contradict it all in such a way that she's left gawking.

"Huh?" She blinks mid-gawk, several dozen times in fact. She just stands there blinking at him, waiting for him to take mercy on her unfortunate lost soul and explain himself.

"Gai Sensei and I had some words, after you left." Neji says, crossing his arms in his lap. He rests against the wall, looking every bit the sight of a statue. He's actually quite pretty, she'd love to be his manager and start a whole house of pretty boy streamers. Too bad that even if that was on the table somehow, she already beat that idea over the head with her sword. "He said you have an A-rank village secret, and if I investigate you once we're back home I will likely find myself in the middle of a diplomatic incident between the Anbu and Hyuuga when I am arrested. I assume that applies to whatever you are about to ask us to do as well. Just know that if you abuse this privilege I'll punish you."

"... Well, that's… what do you mean A rank?" She can't help but squeak with wide eyes, and a hot roll of red that spreads up her nose. His threat passes by her like it doesn't exist, because as far as she's concerned it doesn't exist at all. She has no intentions of abusing his trust, let alone blanket trust thrown on her by the one here that's the most pissed off at her. She was just going over mental plans on how to win him over, not piss him off.

"You were not aware?" Neji asks her with a quirked brow, and Lee, with a vitality that comes naturally to him, claps her on the back of the shoulder. How he got there, she doesn't know, she's not questioning the likely level thirty-five that managed to dart in and block her strike so hard she got hurt. She hadn't seen him move then either, and that terrified her more than Kakashi does. Nothing Kakashi's done has been invisible to her. Not to say he couldn't do invisible things just, he hasn't. Kakashi has been considerate in a lot of ways she didn't realize, and she probably owes him more faith than she's been giving him.

Lee could have likely solo'd Vampire Gato without breaking a sweat, that's the kind of monster thats hand is on her. He could do anything to her and she'd be forced to plead for mercy despite not having done anything. And yet, somehow, she finds his presence calming instead of terrifying.

Maybe it's that he's overly bright and enthusiastic and comes across as completely innocent. Maybe it's that Gai is watching over them.
Maybe, it's that the feeling he gives off reminds her of Haku.

But the normal fear that should come with having an absolutely terrifying man physically touch her in a way that holds her in place, restrains her, and dictates her future to his whims, just isn't here. She may not find the appeal of the boy and girl thing particularly persuading, but she does know what sexual assault is, and with the sheer innocence this boy that's actively pursing her manages to scare the absolute shit out of her, she can tell he doesn't.

Because if he did, he wouldn't be able to do stuff like that without knowing she's terrified and why! Which is calming, weirdly. She doesn't get it either, but it is. So she chooses not to jump or scream or punch Lee in the face for suddenly appearing behind her and grabbing her shoulder with enough force that she couldn't run if her life depended on it. Instead, she takes a deep breath, and smiles at him.

She just has to accept that he's so innocent, she should probably ensure Haku and him meet up and become friends after this mission. "Sakura has been too busy getting stronger with all her might to worry about secrets," Lee asserts for her, "how else could she already be so strong despite being so young? Her youthful energies are burning like a sun, and inspiring me to do my very best!"

Well that's inspiring, she decides. Being inspired is better than being panicked, it's a good replacement emotion and she's getting good at choosing those. She decides it's finally time to continue this conversation and get out of her nervous head for a moment. "I need you all to follow me into a deep dungeon that'll likely last several days and result in us fighting horrific monsters in our search for the rebels."

"Rebels?" Neji asks, "they're bandits and missing-nin at best."

"The dungeon is called the rebel base, I don't know what to tell you," Sakura says, already knowing this is going to suck. It's one thing to say he's not going to question her. It's another to enter a dungeon with her and say nothing.





Holy shit he really hasn't said anything! As they stand there reading the text right in front of the steps, trending up towards the dungeon's glowing red entrance, no one says a word. They clearly see it, their eyes dart towards it, she even sees Neji and Lee gape a bit, but actually asking is off-limits.

It seems for all his attitude, Neji respects the law, possibly a lot more than she ever could. Her life is hectic, and Kakashi's teaching has included lying on mission reports intentionally, there's just no way she could ever achieve the same level of professionalism Neji manages. Well, when he's not being an irate dick and sadistically executing people just to take out his sadism on his vulnerable teammate.

That being said, she has to say something.

Dungeon: Rebel Base, Level 26
Party Level: 40
Warning: Your Party Level is being averaged as a party of 3 but you have 4 members.
The Dungeon will be scaled to your Party Level if you continue with this group.


"Yeah, I'm going to die instantly, if we go in with the four of us," Sakura asserts, "which will then lower the party average and get you killed one at a time. I'm needed for it to activate, which means we need to pick someone to hold down the base with Gai and look after the inn keep, possibly round up any stragglers that try to escape…"

"I will be going in with you, as mission leader taking out the enemy is my responsibility," Neji says, asserting his place with some vehemence, "leaving someone behind does not sit well with me, but if we must, it should be Lee."

"I will protect the Inn with rigorous effort!" Lee shouts to the side.

"Why Lee?" Sakura asks, "He's very strong."

"Because no matter what happens, he will be fine," Neji says, "besides, the two of us are close range fighters, and we are both required for this, which means the choice is Tenten or Lee. Tenten alone is a bad move tactically, she is strong but her skills allow her to be easily ambushed when alone, and she performs well supporting a team. If you had any thought in that head of yours, you would not have even asked."

"Errr… yeah, that's fair." She can't help but admit it, but he's right. She just wishes he could be right and not a dick at the same time. For some people that seems impossible, she wonders if people are born that way or made that way. It'd really help her understand humans more if she could grasp why some can be gracious, and some have to be an ass at all times. Do their lives depend on it? Is it actually required and she's the weird one for getting bothered?

"Well, let's head in then." Sakura gulps, before Neji starts walking up the steps ahead of her. It's easy to fall in line behind him, and Tenten takes her place behind her, already holding a few kunai in between her fingers as if ready to kill something or someone at a moment's notice.

She's not too bothered by the fact that Neji has decided to force himself in front of her despite her being armored and him being in looser gear than what she graduated the academy with, because when Lee left their level dropped back to twenty eight.

She's level twenty-three, Tenten is twenty-eight, which makes Neji a level thirty-two close range fighter which means that yeah, he can walk in front of her. She bets attacks that would tear her in two will barely hurt him.

She just hopes that the three levels above her this dungeon is doesn't result in her untimely demise. She also hopes that Neji can forgive her for her conduct earlier, and won't turn on her and kill her deep inside the maddening depths of the horror show she's taking them into. It's not like anyone would find out, unless Tenten told on him, and based on how she was acting earlier, Sakura's pretty sure Tenten'd let him get away with burying her in a shallow grave in an instanced reality outside their own.

She takes a deep breath, as they step through the red door and into what she will later refer to as 'fuck me, dear god why, what the fuck.'
 
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