WhiteNights
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[X] A technical style
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[X] A technical style
1337Procrast
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[X] A technical style
There's no stamina option so I guess this is it.
There's no stamina option so I guess this is it.
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Fairly sure it's because the progression from Lowgold to Truegold is supposed to involved the full consumption of your Remnant into your spirit. It was the first major roadblock Yerin faced when going from Highgold to Truegold, because she didn't want to do away with the last remaining fragments of her Remnant's will.
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Adamant is the toughness option.
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Do they do so by making the will part of their own, or is it entirely erased?
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It seems to be entirely erased. You can learn things from it, though the knowledge/instincts it can pass on can be flawed. But it's a subsumption, not a merger.
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I'd use the word "subsumed". The sacred artist can inherit various fragmentary memories and skills, but there's no notable chance of being 'possessed' or anything in that vein. It's hard not to break down the Remnant until it becomes part of the sacred artist on a very deep level as the sacred artist advances, but we don't tend to see them taking on mannerisms, personality, preferences, or the like.
I spent some time thinking about it, but I didn't have an idea for a stamina-focused option that I liked as much as the other four.
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Bosc continues to be my favourite member of the Forrester family.
1 in 100 is great, considering the size of the cuttings. It'd be cool to see Keras get to directly compare their own work with some other refiners, if only to give themselves a sense of scale of where they're at. Have to know your skills to sell them properly.
I don't remember any examples from canon off the top of my head, but I wonder if they'll be able to collaborate with any Soulsmiths for a joint project of some kind?
The Bosc supremacy continues. It's also going to be cool seeing our first B rank stat, especially if I'm right and the Low/High/Truegold averages do map out to C-/C/C+. We know it's true for the first at least.
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There is one canon example! The Heaven's Drop pill requires a refiner and a Soulsmith equally. It's mentioned in "Underlord", chapter 7, in a scene I actually also used for another part of Cheng's inspiration:
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Lol was the inspiration the smells?
[X] An adamant style
[X] A technical style
[X] A technical style
Happy to see this added to the character sheet, it's a pretty potent technique that will go for and likely be one of Keras more devastating abilities.
I like that there's proper respect being shown to Keras's abilites with refinement. Keras isn't a master of it yet but they're a professional and damn good at it. The ability to heal, help advancement, restore madra, and give improvements along with whatever other esoteric stuff Keras makes has a lot of potentail.
Looks like they've all been marked as Golds, that's great.
Keras's ability to take and heal hits, as well as sensing things and be coordinated to get in accurate hits feels like a large part of their arsenal. I personally feel that technical meshes the best with Keras's skills, abilities and mindset but adamant would also work out well.
Part of advancement is gaining control of your Remnant, now that I think about it learning this combat style and incorporating the extra hands into the style will likely help towards advancement.
People have likely done the Beehive Remnant before or something like it even though it's likely rare but I don't think anyone would've ever done the Honeycomb Remnant since that's just giving up power. The options of being covered with honey or being able to store liquids like a honeycomb stores honey would make sense.
Subsuming your Remnant's will through your Goldsign seems to be what it does and a good way to advance though people likely pick and choose based on what they want. Keras will likely advance to Highgold when they gain enough power and gain control of their hands, Truegold would come when the choosing your fate stuff is mastered. But either way even with Beti helping to give Keras juice, Keras still needs to master their goldsign.
Maybe it could be something like Prachi not being able to teach a stamina style due to his injury locking him out of teaching that easily because it's been a while since he's been able to fight like he has stamina.
Keras has been noted to have reached a professional level of Refiner ability, they're not a master or any where near Cheng's ability but they're good enough that they can do a specialist Underlord's scut work as a kid which is impressive.
I like that Keras is taking inspiration from the influences around them. Also it's been noted that C- is average for lowgold so Keras having C is above average and C+ is way above average for a lowgold. It may be possible that Highgold has B- as average and Truegold has A- as an average but I'm not really sure about it. But something that should be noted about Truegold is that it's pushing to the normal limits without using external stuff like Soulfire.
Collaboration projects seem to be very interesting, we'll likely have to find a Soulsmith contact to partner up with when that comes up. Maybe we can do that when Keras goes on adventures or their life diverges, but it's a good idea long term to get a Soulsmith friend/contact.
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...So, this does bring up an interesting conundrum. Keras and Beti are partners, to the point where one might say that their cultivation is shared. However, Cheng is the technical owner of Beti, as he is the one who found her and paid to have her delivered to Great Crevasse. Throughout the length of Kera's apprenticeship, there hasn't really been any discussion regarding what happens to Beti if Keras chooses to seek other opportunities (or, say, if Great Crevasse is visited by a terrible calamity that forces Keras to scatter).
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I don't think Keras could affort it. Is likely that they would go where Beti goes.
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We know Beti is extremely expensive, though that's by the standards of Jade/Lowgold.
Keras leaving would essentially "rob" Cheng of Beti, since there's no way Cheng can get her to work or get her to bond another artist to continue working. (Though it's worth noting Beti was basically just sitting around since Cheng hadn't managed to do anything with her until Keras.)
The solution that everybody is quietly hoping for is that Keras is willing to stay with Cheng long term, and buy Beti once Keras reaches Truegold/possibly Underlord (depends how expensive Beti was).
It's possible for both Keras and Beti to break the contract but it would be pretty harmful to both of them and they'd need to spend a while recovering from it.
As Cheng is both the owner of Beti and Kera's teacher, I think that sticking with Cheng through the rough patches until Keras graduates from the apprenticeship possibly by helping complete Heaven's Facade, is the best idea long term.
Keras as they are can't afford it anytime soon.
It would likely take Keras getting to Truegold and a good amount of dedicated work to pay off Cheng for Beti. Keras is going to be Cheng's apprentice/lab assistant for a good long while to pay off Cheng for Beti.
I think what Cheng expects is for Keras to stay on until he can complete the Heaven's Facade and then likely until he can figure out a way to make the Heaven's Facade without Beti or Keras.
The only people expecting or thinking that Keras could possibly become an Underlord are Cheng, Farzana and Etaja. Farzana because she picked up on Keras's insight, Cheng because he understands Keras's passion and Etaja because he's tutoring Keras and will likely help through the process.
Generally Keras's position is that they're a Luxe aligned/sponsored apprentice of Cheng. That means while the Luxe will expect primary client status, discounts and help due to helping Keras's education, Keras is still ultimately the apprentice of Cheng and that matters due to Keras being more directly tied to Cheng then the Luxe clan. Also Venkata was initially trying to get Keras to become a healer working for the Luxe clan by hyper investing into the Saint's Touch body. But then Keras went for the Life/Death path and Cheng apprenticeship.
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Venkata seems like she might have an inkling as well. More than Farzana, honestly.
She was the one who benefited from Keras's insight into becoming a Underlord. She likely thinks that Underlord is possible for Keras but is thinking in the terms of decades while Farzana is getting a much closer look at Keras's growth and explicitly saw Keras's greed and hunger when Venkata didn't. I think Venakata sees the nice talented kid Keras with a bright future, while Farzana sees the little freak of nature Keras who has an endless desire to learn.
But either way they both would like Keras to be heavily tied to the Luxe since they see and appreciate the talent of Keras. I'm cool with being connected to the Luxe Clan since having noble backers/associates really makes things a lot easier. But I don't want to be their minion, getting to the point where Keras is less dependent on them and is strong enough that they can't be easily pushed around is a good way of making sure Keras isn't under their thumb.
Keras currently has a nice niche where they're neutral by virtue of being aligned with Cheng who's neutral while also being informally aligned with everyone. Keras is connected to nobles through the Luxe, to the Brightflames through Damir, to the coupe through Risshon, the the shadier people through Gardenia, and to the general populace through healing a lot of people during the attack.
Just sticking to the role of someone who's kind and helpful to everyone, while focusing on Keras's training, learning and resource acquisition is the best approach to things. That will likely get complicated by the events that are to come such as the Assassination Attempt on the Prince and the Dreadgod attack. But generally the idependent with fingers in a lot of pies but still able to go out and travel is the niche I'd like Keras to have.
I think that trying to become an Underlord in time for the UnCrowned King Tournament and participating as part as the Seishen Kingdom's party is a good idea for a long term goal. Keras has a good long while during which they can train, boost their refining, gather resources and advance. By the time the UnCrowned King Tournament rolls around Keras will be skilled enough to give a damn good showing and benefit from it heavily.
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1337Procrast
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Yeah that's pretty fair enough. Stamina basically enhances anything you'd want to do anyway.
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I'm assuming the scale tops out at S+, so I doubt Gold alone would scale that high.
The only things that should break the scale are things from off-world, dreadgods, and maybe select Paths in specific areas.
The main consideration is probably whether he's managed to properly refine Heaven's Facade. If he hasn't then I don't see him letting us go without the King himself saying otherwise.
Pretty sure Farzana told Venkata explicitly that she was underestimating how far Keras could rise? I think it was after they offered us the deal to sponsor us for 10 years or until we reached Highgold, whichever came first.
Though on that note, the Luxe will definitely try and make a deal with us when we reach Highgold that binds us closer to them.
Edit: Also, am I the only one seeing the old mentor death flags Prachi is showing, especially considering the assassination attempt coming up?
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