JuliusClonkus
Scatterbrained Speculator
- Location
- Federal Reichspublic of Karlsland
On average, the feeling about wanting to take possession of things tends to be mutual when you're talking about highly dangerous Chaotic research materials.
Renegade Sorceress Quest [40K]
- Thread starter Alectai
- Start date
Forgothrax
Not Going Gently
- Pronouns
- He/Him
...which fic?
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Only real problem with lascannons is while they are great at killing single big things, they struggle when dealing with groups.
Maybe have a modification so the thing can have two fire modes. One big blast as normal or a series of weaker rapid fire pulses. Not as weak as a bog standard lasgun obvious but maybe in the hotshot volley gun area.
- Location
- the frozen north
multilasers, i.e. multi-barrelled laser machine guns (or gatling lasers), are a thing already though?
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Sure but those things are pants at armor penetration and are to big to be hauled around even by marines.
Well we do have Vindicators which can mount the 'laser destroyer array' whose use is apparently anti-tank/terminator/dreadnought work.
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- Location
- the frozen north
I'm not sure how canon the FFG RPGs are, but the M41 Multilaser in Only War weighs 35kg, which is 5kg more than a heavy stubber, 20kg less than a man-portable lascannon and 5kg less than a heavy bolter in the same game.
Granted, it's got shit for armour penetration, but, well, lascannons still exist if you need armour penetration.
(RIDICULOUSLY NONCANON) I Love Lascannons
- Location
- Singapore
That would be interesting. Or you could have like, quad-Lascannons, like Land Raider Spartans have.
Essentially though, my stance is as follows:
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"Some of you have come to believe that I like Lascannons. I wish to dash these rumors. I do not like Lascannons.
I. Love. Lascannons.
You make it to HQ, and you find out that the new special weapons have arrived, and your squad just so happened to have lost its plasma gun to a charging maniac Chaos Marine. Kvacha-Pattern Personal Lascannon, Man-Portable.
But then, you realise that the Munitorum has fucked up, and sent your Regiment a bunch of heavy weapons instead. Hell Hammer-Pattern Lascannon, Crew-Served.
Then you try and requisition a new set of weapons when the enemy launches another assault, but then the Space Marines arrive and deploy lasery death to their armor on foot. Mk VII Mars-Pattern Lascannon, Space Marine Devastator Standard.
You finally get your orders, and you commit to the assault with the remainder of your men, mount them on every vehicle that can move on wheels, get out the emergency reserve to get all the anti-armor firepower you can, and ask yourself the question: Who gets the gun? What is the gun? How long until the gun explodes? Eris-Pattern Lascannon, Field-Assembled, Unsanctioned by the Mechanicus.
What I am telling you, my battered army of one thousand guardsmen, is that I am a purveyor of Lascannons. And with your help over the years, we are at the precipice of our true objective. You see, I want a simple Lascannon. Not Mk VI Mars-Pattern, not Kvacha-Pattern, not Hell Hammer-Pattern, no Mk-VII Mars-Pattern, and certainly no Eris-Pattern!
What I want is a Lascannon that we can all really appreciate. A true Lascannon. An IMPERIAL Lascannon! The progression you've all been waiting for,
I!
WANT!
QUAD!
BARRELLED!
LASCANNONS!"
"Ave Imperator! Ave Imperator! Ave Imperator!"
...
That rather got away from me.
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JuliusClonkus
Scatterbrained Speculator
- Location
- Federal Reichspublic of Karlsland
I'd so keep track of a In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium Battalion crossover quest, and I didn't even know I wanted it until now.
Just saying.
Just saying.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Only depictions of the things I can find are vehicle mounted so they are probably heaver.
We could probably mount one of those on our Dreadnoughts (they have the carrying capacity and power production) but a little hard for anything smaller. And I admit Terminators can probably haul around a lascannon one-handed.
Granted that would tend to go against a Terminator's normal role of charging into the thick of fighting using short-ranged but highly devastating weapons. Arch Warhammer's comparison of the bolter versus stormbolter I always found amusing.
Link to video
"While the standard issue Godwyn pattern bolter is in all due relativity a precision weapon along the lines of a rifle except you know, firing 40 mm grenades; on the other hand the storm bolter is what would happen if a Saiga-12 f***ed a Mark 19. Highly inaccurate, exceptionally ugly and very heavy on the boom boom."
Though considered that Lilith got her Terminator armor modded for extra speed/agility I can see Ariadne having her's tweaked to serve as a better firing platform. That girl does love her heavy weapons.
- Location
- UTC -6
Theunderbolt
"Prepare for trouble..."
- Location
- USoA
That would be interesting. Or you could have like, quad-Lascannons, like Land Raider Spartans have.
Essentially though, my stance is as follows:
"Some of you have come to believe that I like Lascannons. I wish to dash these rumors. I do not like Lascannons.
I. Love. Lascannons.
Through my life, I have discovered so many forms of Lascannons. You wake up in the morning, you get into your trench, and you see a Leman Russ kill a hard target in half the time it took for your infantry to fail and die. Mk VI Mars-Pattern Lascannon, Twin-Linked.
You make it to HQ, and you find out that the new special weapons have arrived, and your squad just so happened to have lost its plasma gun to a charging maniac Chaos Marine. Kvacha-Pattern Personal Lascannon, Man-Portable.
But then, you realise that the Munitorum has fucked up, and sent your Regiment a bunch of heavy weapons instead. Hell Hammer-Pattern Lascannon, Crew-Served.
Then you try and requisition a new set of weapons when the enemy launches another assault, but then the Space Marines arrive and deploy lasery death to their armor on foot. Mk VII Mars-Pattern Lascannon, Space Marine Devastator Standard.
You finally get your orders, and you commit to the assault with the remainder of your men, mount them on every vehicle that can move on wheels, get out the emergency reserve to get all the anti-armor firepower you can, and ask yourself the question: Who gets the gun? What is the gun? How long until the gun explodes? Eris-Pattern Lascannon, Field-Assembled, Unsanctioned by the Mechanicus.
What I am telling you, my battered army of one thousand guardsmen, is that I am a purveyor of Lascannons. And with your help over the years, we are at the precipice of our true objective. You see, I want a simple Lascannon. Not Mk VI Mars-Pattern, not Kvacha-Pattern, not Hell Hammer-Pattern, no Mk-VII Mars-Pattern, and certainly no Eris-Pattern!
What a frakking piece of shit.
What I want is a Lascannon that we can all really appreciate. A true Lascannon. An IMPERIAL Lascannon! The progression you've all been waiting for,
I!
WANT!
QUAD!
BARRELLED!
LASCANNONS!"
"Ave Imperator! Ave Imperator! Ave Imperator!"
...
That rather got away from me.
Swordo have a pudding, you channel to much of Plutia when your deprived of pudding.
- Location
- Leeds
And as soon as you have them you'll want a five barreled lascannon.
- Location
- Red Blood on Golden Shield
Dear, that is the basis of progress...
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
At that point, it's probably simpler to just build one bigger lasweapon like the Turbo-Laser Destructors.
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
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Eh, we did resequence our samples of Dorn and Perturabo's geneseeds into something that accepted female hosts. Showing that we are able to work the incredible complex cells to some extent.
Intelligence 10 sorceress with allied rogue mechanicus warptech innovators. Give us enough time, motivation and samples and we might be able to isolate primarch traits in normal geneseed(and potentially replicate it).
By no means is it going to be easy and it might require equipment that will be practically impossible to obtain but working something similar to the primarch bonus should be possible. Even if we need to spend centuries/millennia biomancing Medea into a primarch first.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Twin linked weapons in 40k are simply two guns of the same type firing side by side making you more likely to hit the target. In the tabletop, this does not result in the enemy getting hit by more attacks but making the one attack more likely to hit (Twin-linked gives to hit rerolls).
Because apparently it's easier to double up the number of weapons on Imperial vehicles than it is to design a half-decent targeting system.
They know how to make extra guns. They don't know how to make a good targeting system.
And the Admech is somewhat wary of innovating.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
They don't need to do any innovating. Just use existing tech that is Space Marine armor (Terminator in particular*) and Admech bionics.
*Yes Termie armor is helluva expensive, but you are only making one part of the design and it doesn't need to be as miniaturized/compact which cuts the price down even further.
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
But that would mean taking a part from a completely unrelated device, and integrating it into a sanctioned design in an unsanctioned way! The blueprints say nothing about being able to do this! This is tech-heresy of the most middling order! As such, you are subjcet to a punishment befiting of the crime: summary execution! *BLAM*
But yeah, that said we do know a minor faction of heriteks, so I guess that idea wouldn't be completely insane, provided that theycan macro-scale whatever bit or bob it is your talking about.
Edit: Actually, is there even a single bit or bob in the armor that's rdsponsible for that, or is it multiple pieces of the armor working in conjunction? Darn techno-calities!
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jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
From what I can find, they can just stuff more/better sensors+cogitators into the armor due to the increased size.
Wouldn't even need to go to the Blue Moon. We can make Terminator armor ourselves.
Our gene seed went through a WTF process, became the geneseed from an alternate history in which the emperor decided to make it compatible with women, and was quantum-warp-superimposed with the normal stuff, and...uh...yeah. Basically, we only got away with it because the premise required it to be reasonably stable.
It is chaos-shit. That means it is riskier than all other stuff in the universe. Ork, necron, and eldar tech? even dark-eldar tech? sure. we'll study that. Necron tech can sometimes drive you insane, but its particular brand of insanity isn't contagious.
Chaos shit does sometimes create contagious insanity.
We barely get away with sorcery as it is, and that's mostly because it's our main character's shtick that she's a sorcerer who figured out how to ditch Tzeentch and live, plus the corruption levels of our own gene-seed got set to minimal as part of the premise of the fic.
Maybe it'd be one thing if we were desperate for gene-seed, any gene seed, but we already have space marines, so there's not much we could gain from looking at the stuff, and it's a hell of a risk.
This one?
https://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=127610
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
Yeah, we could produce the parts, but that isn't quite the same thing as altering them and integrating them into a completely different piece of tech. You can't really just take a piece of armor, graft it onto a gun, and declare it a successful operation.
Actually, what are we talking about again? I seem to have missed that part...
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Justifiably so, I think we can agree.