Renegade Chapter Master Quest Redux (WH40k Quest)

Storm Avengers Space Marine Chapter

Storm Avengers

Founding Chapter: Ultramarines
Founding: M32/Fourth Founding
Chapter Master: Torvald Thunderson
Homeworld: Midgardia (Current), Ragnarok (Former)
Fortress-Monastery: Aula Fortis (Current), Aula Occisi (Former)
Speciality: Combined Arms, Naval Warfare & Boarding Actions.
Colours: Red and white with a golden trim.
Symbol: Crossed golden lightning bolts behind a red lambda 'A'.
Battlecry: "We are the Avenging Storm!"
 
Well i suggest doing a honourbound favor conversion or two to get a few titan stc-s . We mainly need honourbound favors with thor for their battlebarge production otherwise they are somewhat useless and major favors will do just fine.

To keep thor onside we really shouldnt go into ship production outside maybe one class of cruisers maybe as quazi monitors for our subsector. So consider getting one of the stc-s , im thinking lunars since they are so basic and noone would feel very threatened by that. So the shipyards we build should be to save on favors repairing our ships mainly rather than anything else.
If for some reason we get a horrendous amount of rp or somewhat lootable infrastructure and the author allows we could build several repair slips and could expand into favor trading with generic space marine chapters that are somewhat nearby to build relations and to get their help against enemies in the future like the talons helped just now but thats somewhat unrealistic.
 
Well i suggest doing a honourbound favor conversion or two to get a few titan stc-s . We mainly need honourbound favors with thor for their battlebarge production otherwise they are somewhat useless and major favors will do just fine.
Honour bound favors arent just good for RP, production, or ships, they also are Honour bound favors, we want to keep 1 in the bank with everyone we can so this doesnt happen again.
 
[X] Plan: Paying off Thor and defending Midgardia
-[X] The Storm Avengers give 2 cruisers to Forge World Thor. Gain 2 Major Favour to Forge World Thor.
-[X] The Storm Avengers give 1 cruiser to Forge World Loki. Gain 1 Major Favour to Forge World Loki.
-[X] The Storm Avengers claim the 3 escort squadrons for Midgardia's defence.
-[X] The Storm Avengers claim the Overlord-class Battlecruiser for Midgardia's defence.
 
[X] Plan: Balance of loots
-[X] use 1 HB favor from sisters of battle to get 5 points
-[X] use 1 HB favor from sif to get 5 points
-[X] +100 RP towards Power Armour Manufactorum. 1 point
-[X] +50 RP twice so +100RP towards upgrading the strike cruiser dockyard to a shipyard . 2 points
-[X] STC for the Mars-class Battlecruiser 1 point
-[X] One Honourbound Favour from Forge World Freya. 5 points
-[X] STC for Warbringer Nemesis. 5 points
-[X] 25 RP 6 points to spend to finish the errant armour manufactorum, the strike cruiser shipyard upgrade, build a gladius frigate escort dockyard, and beginupgrading it to an escort shipyard.
-[X] 1 Mars-class Battlecruiser for Midgardia's defence. 1 point
-[X] 120 PP spend 50 PP on Tarantula Turret (150 in total so 37 for 3 types and 40 for the Lascannon) spend 40PP and 2 spare techmarines on 2 landraiders phobos and spend 30 PP on 4 adamantium mantles and 2 iron Halo. 1 point

so logic behind this plan we trade one Sister of battle HB favor for a FW HB favor for the RP, and we use the HB from sif to get all 6 25 rp point cause 150 is more then 100 RP, would also allow us to get the Stc for the Warbringer Nemesis which is basically the artillery titan that can also stand up to warlord titans plus a couple of goodies since we have the points the mars battlecruiser to make our subsector fleet that much better and the PP to get all the turantula's and the 2 land raiders. Not the best plan in terms of RP but it does give us a titan Stc.
 
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[X] Plan: Balance of loots
[X] Plan: Paying off Thor and defending Midgardia

Well this turn went well, can't wait for Titans, would've liked Warlord if I was being honest though. Editing this, don't know if that counts as double posting or not, sry if so, but needed to ask. Hey @Oshha would it be possible to get other Titan STC later from the FW or would this be a one time thing? In which case would reverse engineering our own Titans on Minvir work?
 
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Okay, So i was asked In the discord why i prefer the warbringer titan over the warlord titan, Disregarding cost, because with titans the cost is massive no matter what, and cost was not a consideration when i first decided on the warbringer as my second favorite titan anyway. lets talk about the advantages of a warbringer titan compared to the warlord titan

The main advantage of the Warbringer titan comapred to a warlord is that the warbringer has the quake cannon. this is a 480" range weapon, compared to the warlord 280" range maximum, the quake cannon also has the indirect fire rule, which mean even if the enemy is hiding behind enough cover that the warbringer cant see them, it can still kill them. meanwhile, the Quake cannon on the warlord only has the ignores cover rule, which means that it is shooting in a direct fire arc, and cant arc its shots to hit where its needed. but thats just the main gun

the over all damage of a warbringer compared to a warlord is weaker, there is no doubt about that, but the advantage of a warlord titan mostly comes from its ability to fight other titans, As a space marine chapter and not a forge world, we do not have the ability to specialize our titans. the warbringer can bring its own AA, it can take a gatling cannon for punching down, and it can take a volcano cannon for "fuck everything in that general area". this added to its quake cannon means that only a warlord speced for long range engagment will be on even footing with a warbringer. It also means that a Warbringer can support itself, a major weakness for titans is that they are generally weak to air attack by fast moving aircraft. with the Anvuliis AA, that suddenly becomes much less of a concern. and while the Warbringer titan is still weak to Infantry. but that is nullified when even space marines only move 6" a turn, while the warbringer moves 12". and as a warbringer has the titanic Key word, it can fire even while falling back.

Now Self sufficency and range are all well and good, but a titan needs to be able to fight titans, so lets talk about a warbringer verus a warlord, because thats the only fight that its not punching down (and therfore its volcano cannon isnt going to be enough for)

a warlord titan with its max range load out has two range bands, 280" and 200". my proposed warbringer titan meanwhile has three range bands, 480", 120", and 78". however, in most secnario's where titans are involved, the fight will never reach past the 480" range band, the reason for that is because it takes 20 turns for the warlord to cross that range band to its maxium range, but lets assume the warbringer is completly unwilling to accept fire from the warlord, that is still 19 turns of fire (as the warbringer has 12" move speed and the warlord 10", the warlord will never catch up and can be kited, but thats a whole other thing. and not being accounted for.) 19 turns of quake cannon fire will deal on average 152 Wounds of damage. with a trend towards higher (64% chance of dealing 8 or more wounds a turn), meaning a single warbringer can fight 2 warlords assuming both they start at the maximum range apart.

Now if the warlord starts within 280" the math changes, as the warlords 2 Quake cannons will deal on average 36 wounds per turn. but that is where most of its damage comes from, once it hits the 200" range band, it only gains 8 wounds per turn, going up to 44. to be frank, the warlord is a titan killer, its meant to kill other titans, Do not epect the warbringer titan to be able to handle warlord titans on its own. for all it will take is the warlord being properly equiped and getting a ambush off for the warbringer to fall. if the situation calls for it, the warbringer can last against a warlord titan, long enough for orbital support to engage. and perhaps even take down the warlord titan if it is lucky (or as oshha put it, has a plucky space marine ally to board the titan).

Now that i've talked about all of that, let me explain my choice of load out for the warbringer titan, as the astute among you have probably realized, i equiped the warlord titan with quake cannons and apoc launchers, which is the absoulte best loadout for titan sniping by a warlord. but my warbringer titan isn't equipped the same way, it has a reaver gatling cannon, and a nemis volcano cannon. the reasoning for this once again falls under self sufficiency, the warbringer titan equipped this way can take on any threat that is not a warlord or above, and come out the victor. there is also the fact that the volcano cannon is the most common weapon to be described as having anti orbital capabilities.

In short, the warbringer titan is able to stay more versatile then the warlord titan while preserving its ability to punch up. which is incredibly important considering right now our only method for dealing with knight scale and above targets is orbital bombardment. somthing that we will still need mind you, we will not be making a titan legion capable of fighting another titan legion in the timeline of this quest. but a warbringer titan means that no longer can they walk uncontested, and smaller threats, such as gargants or massive fortress complex's can be breached without Battle barges to try and batter them down, a very useful thing as titans tend to leave the area just a smidge more habitable then a battle barge.

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TLDR: Warbringer titan good at many things, Warlord titan is great at one thing at a time. If we want to have a pure anti titan force, warlords are better, if we want titans that can be deployed to most situations, we want warbringers.
 
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They can pay them off by the way wich i actually like since it somewhat forces us to use them rather than bank them. We might get a nice surpise this way but we cant count them depending on the roll . My thought is that the author rolls for each favor and if its either low or high enough they will pay it off would be my assumption how the current favor system works.

So honourbound favors are somewhat useless especially now that the local titan legion died at our hands and almost all but one or two of the 6 forgeworlds have been somewhat sacked in the quest so their forces are somewhat useless and this quest has shown that atleast the local forgeworlds are on the useless side on the military wise. Outside thor who can build battle barges with them and honestly we should almost reserve that yard for us and i guess for rp farming .
 
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So honourbound favors are somewhat useless especially now that the local titan legion died at our hands and almost all but one or two of the 6 forgeworlds have been somewhat sacked in the quest.
They weren't sacked it was violent political upheaval with the death of the old government which ended with the installment of stewards of the winning forgeworld sif in the defeated forgeworlds. Also there's a loyal titan legion still standing in gard just doing pdf work if we can convince them to start rolling out we can use them for enticing titan specialist tech priests to move to minvir and work for us.

Also everyone what name should be appropriate for the titan legio we are building at minvir.
 
They can pay them off by the way wich i actually like since it somewhat forces us to use them rather than bank them. We might get a nice surpise this way but we cant count them depending on the roll . My thought is that the author rolls for each favor and if its either low or high enough they will pay it off would be my assumption how the current favor system works.

So honourbound favors are somewhat useless especially now that the local titan legion died at our hands and almost all but one or two of the 6 forgeworlds have been somewhat sacked in the quest.
what? No. Forge worlds aren't going to pay of their HB favors like that even major favors or minor favors usually we can very reliably bank them and HB favors are on a whole other level, repaying them is very hard unless it's something we asked. And we will use them as we have been using them On RP most likely to continue to build our industry and our shipyards, while using majors to build the fleet or for repairs.

if we can convince them to start rolling out we can use them for enticing titan specialist tech priests to move to minvir and work for us.

Also everyone what name should be appropriate for the titan legio we are building at minvir.
this is gonna involve a lot of free action to discover the mystery of minvir then maybe try to get them out of the pdf if they will accept, will not be a quick thing
 
this is gonna involve a lot of free action to discover the mystery of minvir then maybe try to get them out of the pdf if they will accept, will not be a quick thing
Oh yeah it's gonna involve free actions but with the death of fulgaran we can convince them of the rewards and prestige of them rising from there ranks of pdf to become a titan legion in the sector and they just need to be in our control to let them loose and claim glory for the omnissiah and further precipitate the rise of minvir there home to greater standing in the sector as a whole.

Cause humans no matter flesh or steel will always crave for more prestige and power baldur and fulgaran showed that when they attacked sif and left Odin to die to ignavus.
 
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