Renegade Chapter Master Quest Redux (WH40k Quest)

[Oshha]

Storm Avengers

Spoiler: Colour Scheme

Founding Chapter: Ultramarines
Founding: M32/Fourth Founding
Chapter Master: Torvald Thunderson
Homeworld: Midgardia (Current), Ragnarok (Former)
Fortress-Monastery: Aula Fortis (Current), Aula Occisi (Former)
Speciality: Combined Arms, Naval Warfare & Boarding Actions.
Colours: Red and white with a golden trim.
Symbol: Crossed golden lightning bolts behind a red lambda 'A'.
Battlecry: "We are the Avenging Storm!"

 

[MonkeyTypewriter]

Yeah, I'm a hard no on joining the Tau.

 

[Hunter531]

No Just no. We can prop up order in the sector with help from the knights of Caliban and the Iron Sentinels, and by also calling in battlefleet asgardia and the vanaheim valkyries, making a triumvirate and either ruling ourselves or putting one of the competent smaller claimants on the throne. We can trade and ally ourselves with the T'au but I am against joining them.

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Fair enough, although I don't think restoring order will be that simple. All those parties we need to ally with won't necessarily be on the same page as us after all with regards to who's in charge at the end of this.

 

[RandomTechPriest]

I dont want to join the T'au, but existing as an ally and trading partner works perfectly for me. I just want their tech so bad

 

[Valerian]

I dont want to join the T'au, but existing has an ally and trading partner works perfectly for me. I just want their tech so bad

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Eh they might not have it yet.

Remember Tau tech is constantly developing and being worked on. And we are hundreds of years before their real introduction to the setting.

They may have the musket equivalent of the battle rifle and suits you are drooling over.

 

[Watcher's Eyes]

[X] He goes in person aboard the Might of Storms

Holy shit I'm just gonna say just want good relations now cause we got a holy grail especially If we can get an exchange of earth caste they did it with deldar whose not to say they can't do to us.

Also I'm wanting industrial and civilian tech cause more rp and we finally give the normals there due and that would win us big points in the sector as we want to do since the triumvirate is gonna start soon.

The things we should and shouldn't at the start no weapons of war yet. Give the tech for life extension technology they would love it, Gellar field technology it expand them quite a bit, warptech maybe but not yet.

 

[RandomTechPriest]

Eh they might not have it yet.

Remember Tau tech is constantly developing and being worked on. And we are hundreds of years before their real introduction to the setting.

They may have the musket equivalent of the battle rifle and suits you are drooling over.

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Oh yea, the weaponry the T'au will have in the future will massively out compete what they have right now. But its still something. The Damocles Crusade is about 200 years away and so is their modern tech, but if we establish solid trade connections right now they might just give us the updated technology.

Plus, think of it like this. It takes 200 years for the T'au to go from basic Battleships and Railguns to tech that competes with the best Imperial tech. It takes 10,000 years for the Imperium to roll out slightly upgraded Power Armor

 

[Dread Knight]

[X] He goes in person aboard the Might of Storms.

It's the Tau so we'd need to do this in person, I mean we're not joining them, maybe I guess, we'll have to see how everything goes but probably not as I don't trust them, but dealing with them in persons should set the tone I think.

And hey @Oshha don't know if this has been asked before but I was wondering since our loyalist brothers are still out there, should we change our name and livery, or just swap the colors around, or is any of that not an option at all? I ask if only to dissociate from our loyalist kin, especially in case they show up wearing the same heraldry and colors, even the same name, and try to get the drop on us or our allies. I mean everyone knows us as the Storm Avengers and what we look like, if the loyalists ever show up and start shooting everything in sight before we even know what's going on it could cause problems for us if our allies start attacking us by mistake or refuse our aid thinking we're the ones attacking them. Unless of course the loyalists went and changed everything themselves, but I figure if not than this could be a problem for us.

 

[lizatessu]

And I as well, am never voting to join the T'au for as long as I live. Our independence matters more to us as space marines then kneeling to the ethereal caste.

In that case, all hail our new blue overlords.

Seriously though, integration into the Tau empire is likely necessary at this point in time unless we get ridiculously lucky. Order has pretty much collapsed on the Sector level, and the only legitimate heir who might be alive despises us.

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No, but they are the third option to the death of Reximus and all of his heirs. Meaning, either a restoration of one of the Household members of Reximus, some version of space marine rulership, or having the actual T'au take over management of the sector is a viable path to choose.
Not that I expect anyone to be insane enough to hand over another sector of space to the T'au then the one they already possess for their home world and everything they got from the first sphere expansion.

 

[Klaus Wulfenback]

[X] He goes in person aboard the Might of Storms

 

[TonedMite]

And hey @Oshha don't know if this has been asked before but I was wondering since our loyalist brothers are still out there, should we change our name and livery, or just swap the colors around, or is any of that not an option at all? I ask if only to dissociate from our loyalist kin, especially in case they show up wearing the same heraldry and colors, even the same name, and try to get the drop on us or our allies. I mean everyone knows us as the Storm Avengers and what we look like, if the loyalists ever show up and start shooting everything in sight before we even know what's going on it could cause problems for us if our allies start attacking us by mistake or refuse our aid thinking we're the ones attacking them. Unless of course the loyalists went and changed everything themselves, but I figure if not than this could be a problem for us.

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Otherwise all it takes is one ship loaded with [Insert WMDs Here (Cyclonic Warheads, Virus Bombs)] sent express to Midgardia, and if our defenses don't recognize it in time we are potentially very fucked. Especially if they're working with our inquisitor nemesis, who could even green-light/rubber-stamp it.

[X] He goes in person aboard the Might of Storms.

 

[SlyOverlord]

Plus, think of it like this. It takes 200 years for the T'au to go from basic Battleships and Railguns to tech that competes with the best Imperial tech. It takes 10,000 years for the Imperium to roll out slightly upgraded Power Armor

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From what I looked up from some of the Tau timeline, the first battlesuits (the T-series prototypes) will be developed in 576.M39. That is a few decades (6-7 turns) from now if we consider the canonical timeline.

They also should have rail weapons during the first sphere expansion, but some lore indicated they had radiation issues that were solved at a later date. There was some shielding technology against radiation so that should be useful by itself.

It might be better to deal with civilian technology for a few decades, I doubt they will just hand us there latest super prototype weaponry for this meeting. We might just deal with stuff that would improve our industrial capabilities and quality of life (given how shitty the Imperium is, even old civilian tech from the Tau is probably 99% better than what the Imperium has for the average citizen).

 

[Oshha]

And hey @Oshha don't know if this has been asked before but I was wondering since our loyalist brothers are still out there, should we change our name and livery, or just swap the colors around, or is any of that not an option at all? I ask if only to dissociate from our loyalist kin, especially in case they show up wearing the same heraldry and colors, even the same name, and try to get the drop on us or our allies. I mean everyone knows us as the Storm Avengers and what we look like, if the loyalists ever show up and start shooting everything in sight before we even know what's going on it could cause problems for us if our allies start attacking us by mistake or refuse our aid thinking we're the ones attacking them. Unless of course the loyalists went and changed everything themselves, but I figure if not than this could be a problem for us.

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The Storm Avengers refuse to give up their colours, heraldry and heritage.

From what I looked up from some of the Tau timeline, the first battlesuits (the T-series prototypes) will be developed in 576.M39. That is a few decades (6-7 turns) from now if we consider the canonical timeline.

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M39 not M41. That means they were developed a couple thousand years ago.

 

[AlphaOmega]

I know its unlikely for people to go along with my plan, but I want to give the T'au everything. Every major STC we have. The targeting STC, the Mars-class STC, and all the weapon STCs. I want them to be as prepared as physically possible. There is so much to gain from boosting their Tech level as early as possible. Think of all the magical shit they would be able to do with Imperial Plasma weaponry in a hundred years.

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And then it's game over because literally everyone else turns on us as xeno loving heretics who gave sacred relics of DAoT to filthy xenos. AdMechs thirst for our blood will make Khorne proud and absolutely none of our allies have even a remote chance to stay with us is we do this.

 

[Oshha]

And then it's game over because literally everyone else turns on us as xeno loving heretics who gave sacred relics of DAoT to filthy xenos. AdMechs thirst for our blood will make Khorne proud and absolutely none of our allies have even a remote chance to stay with us is we do this.

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Vanaheim Valkyries and Battlefleet Asgardia will side with you. As will the super-teched Tau Empire. Not to mention that the AdMech has to find out before they can take action against you.

 

[Watcher's Eyes]

@Oshha now who do the valkyries follow cause reximus is dead and are they willing to to follow in becoming the main power in the sector and would if asked they follow us as there new liege lord. Ditto with BF:A are they onboard.

Also what's the plan in the diplomacy talks cause I want to show that we are preparing to begin the triumvirate idea to be seen as a show of strength to the tau and make them far less inclined of subverting worlds in asgardia.

Also agreed we should give them rejuvenates and other things that could extend there lives and proper Gellar fields for industrial technology, civilian tech, and most importantly railguns. And lastly if they want to do a cultural exchange with all the there castes we say yes mostly for the earth class as to become our tech support.

 

[BigBadBob7070]

Vanaheim Valkyries and Battlefleet Asgardia will side with you. As will the super-teched Tau Empire. Not to mention that the AdMech has to find out before they can take action against you.

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But the real question is whether the Iron Sentinels or the Knights of Caliban will be ok with siding with the Tau, b/c right now they're the only ones whose opinion I actually care for.

 

[Watcher's Eyes]

The fallen I would imagine because there from 30k they would be suspicious but the upper echelon the ones who were with the lion or other primarchs would by convincing be ok with proper armed good relations with expectations of being betrayed. The sentinels would follow us cause they just lost there chapter master and we are constantly saving there butts.

 

[RandomTechPriest]

And then it's game over because literally everyone else turns on us as xeno loving heretics who gave sacred relics of DAoT to filthy xenos. AdMechs thirst for our blood will make Khorne proud and absolutely none of our allies have even a remote chance to stay with us is we do this.

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As long as the T'au dont immediately come out the door attacking Human worlds with refitted Astartes equipment it would be near impossible for the Mechanicus to figure out it was us who gave them the tech.

 

[Oshha]

@Oshha now who do the valkyries follow cause reximus is dead and are they willing to to follow in becoming the main power in the sector and would if asked they follow us as there new liege lord. Ditto with BF:A are they onboard.

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Vanaheim Valkyries are following Lady General Astrid Sigmuna. Battlefleet Asgardia have their own leader and both are doing their own thing. If you want to know if the Vanaheim Valkyries and Battlefleet Asgardia are willing to follow you, you will need to diplomatically reach out to them.

As long as the T'au dont immediately come out the door attacking Human worlds with refitted Astartes equipment it would be near impossible for the Mechanicus to figure out it was us who gave them the tech.

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Even then, that doesn't necessarily led to them figuring out it was you who was responsible.

 

[RandomTechPriest]

If we are really worried about the Mechanicus finding out it was us giving the T'au tech we can always just give them reverse engineered Xenos tech. They would love to have the Xenotech thrusters we just got.

 

[Watcher's Eyes]

Vanaheim Valkyries are following Lady General Astrid Sigmuna. Battlefleet Asgardia have their own leader and both are doing their own thing. If you want to know if the Vanaheim Valkyries and Battlefleet Asgardia are willing to follow you, you will need to diplomatically reach out to them.

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Oh this could be very thematic if all of the high command of the most prominent forces of asgardia convene on the ashes of the old reximus palace on vanaheim to decide what path should the sector with us leading discussion of creating the triumvirate of chapter masters with a spokesperson normal as a figurehead for the administration work while we take lead on matters of military and the path on which the sector should go. Well I know where we should spend our skald and free actions next turn..

Also since we're at a milestone in turn ten also the start of original sequel captain quest. I find it fitting that we are doing what we wanted to do at the start of the original quest in that we wanted to take over the sector leadership and we are doing it here now huh it's kinda funny really.

 

[Alratan]

It seems more sensible to find a non-space marine puppet ruler to be Lord Sector rather than so obviously flaunt the prohibition against space marine rulership.

But the Von Grom dynasty in nominal charge of the Sector - as it's completely legal for Rogue Traders to rule worlds and deal with xenos outside Imperial borders, and simply have an 'advisory council' that tells them what to do.

They get to be immensely wealthy and powerful and have a near unassailable base to go adventuring in neighbouring sectors from - and we can have a squad of marines of every one of their capital ships as 'bodyguards' for their senior leadership.

All perfectly normal and above board. We need de facto control, not de jure.

 

[LysanderArgent]

[X] He goes in person aboard the Might of Storms.

 

[Oshha]

The Tau Empire in this quest is based on what I remember of their earlier versions where they are an expansionist empire with a caste system, but they are also acting in good faith, diplomatic and open-minded.

While the Tau are aggressively expansionist, they are diplomatic first even to their detriment like with the Orks and Dark Eldar. Unless it is an undeniable threat like the Tyranids, they'll look for a peaceful solution first. Though like with the Orks and Dark Eldar, they will eventually resort to extreme violence if pushed too far.

They also take no for an answer. The Demiurg told the Tau no in regards to joining and the Tau settled for just being allies rather than forcing them to join. The Tau also don't attempt to force their way of life on their member species and while they wouldn't mind accepting them into their caste system, they do respect the right to self-governance within reason. They are even willing to let humans continue worshipping the God-Emperor so long as they follow the Greater Good and don't treat them or other aliens as second-class citizens.

Now, they aren't perfect and they make mistakes and have corruption, but the Tau Empire is making a good faith effort to do their best. They were weak and insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but they aren't secretly evil.

 

[Oshha]

On another note, I'm going with "Suffer not the Xenos, Mutant and Heretic to live" and its variants to be relatively modern inventions. The Emperor denied all existence of heretics and he allowed xenos protectorates under the Imperium. Not sure about his stance on mutants, he likely didn't want to draw attention to them to avoid drawing attention to the warp and Chaos. So while modern Imperials claim such quotes come from him, they are actually post-Horus Heresy quotes that are wrongly attributed to the Emperor.

I'm also going with the idea that the pre-Horus Heresy Imperium was more open-minded and tolerant (this is relatively speaking mind you) than the post-Horus Heresy one and only got worse in the millenia between then and now.