Rags to Ithilmar. The Quest of an Asur Commoner.

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Archmage: Growing Starwood is an extremely difficult process. Everything from the soil acidity to the ambient magic must be perfect in order for them to grow.

Luthien: Meh, they're not that hard. Hell, after a while I stopped needing to check what they need. They just tell me.

Bloodwood tree: Mother, I crave violence.

Luthien: Oh would you look at that, they need their daily blood sacrifices. Good talking to you!

Talon TigerDino said:
I'm pretty sure the trees would still die given the qm's description of them.

Athel Loran probably grows them by the friendliest place to trees in all the world, and probably have some forest spirit coddling the things and convincing them not to explode at the slightest jostle.

Khaine is like... the exact opposite of that.
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Khainite Necromancy tree time. Seriously though Khaine has no problem healing as long as the person / thing he is healing will result in more death.
 
Slaking the thirst of sapling trees with blood to later use for assorted masterworks does sound absolutely viable and also metal as hell, but I would strongly suggest that we not use active chaos god worshipers for that purpose. There are a million and one creatures of the face of the world we could use instead, that don't run the risk of corrupting the trees themselves.
 
Yeah I am thinking crafting a hidden valley in norsca seems like a good idea. We know it is possible to make a valley like Ulthuan in Norsca and frankly it's Norsca so who would show up.
 
Dragonofelder said:
Because the Everqueen if fecking cool and deserves a Masterwork made in her name.
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A groomed bed slave isn't really the kind of thing I think Luthien would consider "fecking cool".

An Everqueen is like an Avelornian but worse and we all know how Luthien feels about them.

Mayto said:
"Forest-dwelling dancers that spend all their time reciting poetry, drinking dream wine, having empty meaningless sex, and reciting even more poetry while the rest of Ulthuan protects them. And all the while, they act like they are the pinnacle of Asur society." The beer was loosening Luthien's tongue. She took a big swig. "I can barely stand to be around them"
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Fouredged Sword said:
The Windforge - Masterwork Forge

TLDR - Masterwork forge powered by a waynetwork tap that allows the user to craft with a LOT more wind than they would normally be able to infuse, with all the benefits and drawbacks of being able to infuse a whole lot more wind than you normally would.
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Doesn't she already have a proper Asur Forge in the tower armory?
Shouldn't it come with many of these features? Especially since it belonged to a pretty legendary Mage.
 
I got an idea let's learn necromancy and bring the dead lore master back to life. He knows magic, is knowledgeable , well educated and is friends with dawi. A lot of things Luth would want in a mentor. Also the skits write themselves, a well educate elf with a common elf trying to make her way in the world. It's a odd couple.
 
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RandomTechPriest said:
I love the idea of this but I doubt it will work with Starwood. If it did work on them they would not be extinct. Wutroth, however, is mundane wood that is just strong as hell. Getting a Wutroth grove is basically a small Gromril mine right now and has so many uses for both the dwarfs and for us.
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Fouredged Sword said:
So it is not extinct? The High elves just lost all their groves?
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Starwood isn't extinct on Ulthuan either? They make all of their warships from Starwood, if it was extinct they couldn't make new ones at all.

What's extinct is the groves of Starwood in Avelorn that produced trees big enough to make Dragonships, as they were burned by Druchii during the Sundering. Because Asur shipbuilding is done by taking a single tree trunk, moulding it into the shape of a ship hull with magic, and then treating it with special materials until it is as hard as steel while remaining as light as regular wood, so the size of the trees limits how big of a ship you can make. But Starwood as a species of flora is not extinct as far as I'm aware.
 
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Cheap Orange Knofe said:
Doesn't she already have a proper Asur Forge in the tower armory?
Shouldn't it come with many of these features? Especially since it belonged to a pretty legendary Mage.
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We are not, as far as I am aware, getting a mechanical bonus from it like I would expect from a masterwork, and so I am inclined to think that while it has all the tools we need to not take a penalty it isn't anything more than high quality.
 
Nurgle said:
I got an idea let's learn necromancy and bring the dead lore master back to life. He knows magic, is knowledgeable , well educated and is friends with dawi. A lot of things Luth would want in a mentor. Also the skits write themselves, a well educate elf with a common elf trying to make her way in the world. It's a odd couple.
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The man was insane when he died several thousand years ago, I doubt being raised by a novice will improve the state of his mind, assuming Luthien would even be skilled enough to bring him back with a working mind.

Also it's blasphemy and all that jazz. :V
 
DragonParadox said:
Plans to hybridize murder and trees aside I think our best bet is probably Wuroth for three reasons:
  1. It is unlikely the dwarfs tried to throw a wizard at the matter so it is much more likely to work
  2. We already have a source of it in the form of the barrel
  3. The trees are not inherently magical just tough, less likely be be fussy, just give then Ghyan and maybe Chammon and plenty of it
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True, it probably would be much easier due to not having to override and corrupt the anti bad shit magic already there but the results would be far better. The magical nature of the trees means that they are already attuned to the winds and can hold them better than Wutroth.
 
RandomTechPriest said:
True, it probably would be much easier due to not having to override and corrupt the anti bad shit magic already there but the results would be far better. The magical nature of the trees means that they are already attuned to the winds and thusly can hold them better than Wutroth.
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Sure, assuming you actually get living trees. For one we have no seeds or wood to start from in the case of starwood and so far at least we have no contacts who will sell them to us. Secondly we do not know if adding murder to trees will work, it might just kill the tree in a shower of gore because Khaine finds it funny and is an asshole.
 
DragonParadox said:
Sure, assuming you actually get living trees. For one we have no seeds or wood to start from in the case of starwood and so far at least we have no contacts who will sell them to us. Secondly we do not know if adding murder to trees will work, it might just kill the tree in a shower of gore because Khaine finds it funny and is an asshole.
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When have we ever rolled to get the favor of a god and NOT rolled really well? Well, OK that one time when we tried to shake Khaine, but we were asking for it.
 
DragonParadox said:
The man was insane when he died several thousand years ago, I doubt being raised by a novice will improve the state of his mind, assuming Luthien would even be skilled enough to bring him back with a working mind.

Also it's blasphemy and all that jazz. :V
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How is it blasphemy when we see a Khainite bring back the dead. How can the most holy follower of Khaine be blasphemous.
 
Nurgle said:
How is it blasphemy when we see a Khainite bring back the dead. How can the most holy follower of Khaine be blasphemous.
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I suspect it is blasphemy to everyone who is not Khaine or equally assholish, the elven gods do not really see eye to eye, especially on things described as 'existence is torment'.

Altom said:
Given that we have an instant kill hole in our chest kept in check by divine magic, we should be much more cautious about pissing off the gods then the SV norm.
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That I do not think is a concern, Khaine loves Druchi Blood Witches, it would take a lot of work to match them for sheer magical depravity. It's the other gods who are likely to be less enthused.
 
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Blackout said:
What's extinct is the groves of Starwood in Avelorn that produced trees big enough to make Dragonships, as they were burned by Druchii during the Sundering. Because Asur shipbuilding is done by taking a single tree trunk, moulding it into the shape of a ship hull with magic, and then treating it with special materials until it is as hard as steel while remaining as light as regular wood, so the size of the trees limits how big of a ship you can make. But Starwood as a species of flora is not extinct as far as I'm aware.
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Huh, we must be confusing Paradox of choice canon.

So dragon ships are impossible to build because the Starwood of ulthuan doesn't get big enough anymore...
 
@DragonParadox

I would be quite satisfied with trying your wall.

@Mayto

What exactly does the time of construction mean for turns for structure masterworks? I mean, can it potentially mean we don't finish it in one (one year) turn or something?
 
IronFist said:
Huh, we must be confusing Paradox of choice canon.

So dragon ships are impossible to build because the Starwood of ulthuan doesn't get big enough anymore...
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Or possibly the wiki, which just says Dragonships were made from the Starwood of Anhara Draconis, which was burned down and so they can't make any more. Which is technically true, but what it leaves out is that the source material quite explicitly lays out the difference between Anhara Draconis Starwood, and normal Starwood:

Dragonships were carved from Starwood grown in Anhara Draconis, where trees grew twice as thick and half again as tall as normal Starwood. The resin bled into a distinct shimmering gold which glittered like the scales of dragons. Sadly Anhara Draconis was destroyed, burned to the ground by the Dark Elves during the time of the Sundering. No more ships of this size can be built, and the loss of one is a tragedy the likes of which epic sagas are sung.
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And that they still have access to Starwood for the rest of their shipbuilding efforts, and use it extensively:
The cornerstone of Ulthuan's fleets are the Eagleships: massive, fast and deadly ocean-going craft armied with broadside batteries of deadly Eagle Claws. These huge, sleek, streamlined ships can outrace Bretonnian Corsairs and are even more manouverable.

Like all elf ships, their hulls are carved from a single mighty Starwood tree, grown specially for this purpose by Master Shipwrights of Ulthuan. Those shipwrights lovingly tend groves of Starwood for the lifetimes of many men, carefully selecting the strongest, most flawless of these magical trees for their purposes. Once each tree is uprooted, spells are then used to keep the plant alive and the masts are actually branches grown out of the hulls. Sculptors shape the trunk as it grows, always working with the wood to maintain its strength and integrity.

The sails are works of art in themselves, woven from spider silk and the hair of an elven priestess, each ensorcelled, each a tapestry of enchanting beauty.

Finally, before the ship is launched, the trunks are bled. The sap of the living tree is tapped and allowed to flow out and over the hull. By a process known only to the Master Shipwrights, the resin is hardened until it is a strong as steel and remains watertight. The ship is then blessed by the King and allowed to go to sea.
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Man of War, pg.48
 
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Blackout said:
Or possibly the wiki, which just says Dragonships were made from the Starwood of Anhara Draconis, which was burned down and so they can't make any more. Which is technically true, but what it leaves out is that the source material quite explicitly lays out the difference between Anhara Draconis Starwood, and normal Starwood:



And that they still have access to Starwood for the rest of their shipbuilding efforts, and use it extensively:

Man of War, pg.48
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Ok, I can accept this canon, but only if at some point we come across an freshly shorn elven princess who just sacrificed her hair to have another Elven ship sail woven.

I am now imagining a whole gaggle of them in a manor house near some major shipbuilding city being raised and herded like the world's most expensive sheep.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
Ok, I can accept this canon, but only if at some point we come across an freshly shorn elven princess who just sacrificed her hair to have another Elven ship sail woven.

I am now imagining a whole gaggle of them in a manor house near some major shipbuilding city being raised and herded like the world's most expensive sheep.
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Unfortunately the sourse says "priestess" not "princess".
 
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