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Im with evil here - no way will we become skilled enough in melee to matter... But on the other hand we already have the skills needed to learn some real combat magic - and realy once you know how to throw a fireball or frostbolt the question in skill in how to use it offencively becomes a lot more manageable

So yeah, i vote going mage or offensive priest for personal training. Smite or fireball will be easier to use then a hammer. Or even arcane missile perhaps.
 
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I'm not with evil. We have no reason to up magic at all. As for weapon training we can take advantage of the fact our body is already in shape. Also I get the feeling we won't get on a ship for taking magic.
 
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[X] Plan War Effort
-[X] Work on repairing the soldier's armour for 10 segment a week.
-[X] Smith came through for you working on Lothar's armour. Help him on the Thorium project (32 segments).
-[X] Work 4 days on, one day off with drinks. 24 days of work, 6 days off, 72 segments available. Net zero fatigue. -.6G
--[X} while at the bar, befriend the defenders of city or any other craftsman.
---[X] Attempt to contact and befriend Leon, one of the knights of Lothar, your acolyte helper, and that one crossbowman that you met so that you have a ranged and melee allies if things get worst.
 
Also there's Meatshield Leon whose objectively superior to us physical wise considering he's though enough to withstand a punch from an actual soldier. Along with Standard soldiers/Footman training as literal meatshields to buy time for the Archers to do damage.
nightblade said:
I'm not with evil. We have no reason to up magic at all. As for weapon training we can take advantage of the fact our body is already in shape. Also I get the feeling we won't get on a ship for taking magic. Beating a sword wielder in a dual with magic isn't really that fair.
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Combat magic is still aplicable in combat which is what I want. More applicable than melee since orcs kind of are too though to beat down with just one moderately* skilled weapon user

*Presuming we don't develop as insanely fast as our Crafting skills, in which case the same insane learning curve applies to magic as well

PS: Though that aside I don't want and don't think we'll be sent anyway. We're one of the best enchanters in Stormwind and the Pioneer of the Light Attunement process.
 
Anyway I want weapon's training because the fact we can make our own weapons means we can eventually make a weapon on the level of Brox's axe and use it our self.
 
Evillevi said:
Also there's Meatshield Leon whose objectively superior to us physical wise considering he's though enough to withstand a punch from an actual soldier. Along with Standard soldiers/Footman training as literal meatshields to buy time for the Archers to do damage.

Combat magic is still aplicable in combat which is what I want. More applicable than melee since orcs kind of are too though to beat down with just one moderately* skilled weapon user

*Presuming we don't develop as insanely fast as our Crafting skills, in which case the same insane learning curve applies to magic as well

PS: Though that aside I don't want and don't think we'll be sent anyway. We're one of the best enchanters in Stormwind and the Pioneer of the Light Attunement process.
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I'm pretty sure the boat one is not being sent away but escaping stormwind. Calling it now.
 
Can we make Amulets imbued with a holy shield or healing spell?
Get a priest to help us make them and give them to guys in danger of assassination or fel warlocks?
 
nightblade said:
I'm pretty sure the boat one is not being sent away but escaping stormwind. Calling it now.
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point

Also Lost said that we can innately meet with the king if we find a way to counter Fel Magic or Imbue the Light. We got the light, so who wants to start countering Fel Magic.
KleverKil'Vanya said:
Can we make Amulets imbued with a holy shield or healing spell?
Get a priest to help us make them and give them to guys in danger of assassination or fel warlocks?
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Don't see why not.
 
But seriously we don't have any benefit from advancing magic. It doesn't even improve our enchantments. While if we take weapon training we can use our top tier weapons eventually.
 
nightblade said:
But seriously we don't have any benefit from advancing magic. It doesn't even improve our enchantments. While if we take weapon training we can use our top tier weapons eventually.
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We can make top tier Staves and wands (or if not can, then we can learn to make Staves and wands. Our crafting skill and affinity is that bullshit), use spells like Blink, and potentially improve our enchantments if we get high enough (and of course if we choose a magic that has an enchant improvement), have multiple range attack, the ability to debuff people, the ability to heal people, etc.
 
Evillevi said:
We can make top tier Staves and wands (or if not can, then we can learn to make Staves and wands. Our crafting skill and affinity is that bullshit), use spells like Blink, and potentially improve our enchantments if we get high enough (and of course if we choose a magic that has an enchant improvement), have multiple range attack, the ability to debuff people, the ability to heal people, etc.
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I really don't feel like playing a spell caster unless we become something like a paladin that mixes both melee and spells.
 
nightblade said:
I really don't feel like playing a spell caster unless we become something like a paladin that mixes both melee and spells.
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Then why argue about points like it's effective, we can make and use our own top tier weapons, and etc as a way to convince us.

Cause really you're literally better off with appealing to emotions and people's preference* since the above points are objective (Magic is effective due to range, we can make Staves and wands or learn to make them by the time we can make legendary weapons and etc) while subjective stuff is subjective.

*See Beep Beep's current vote
nightblade said:
So would using magic to beat Leon before he even get's close to us count as beating him in a spar?
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Or trick him. Or use better equipment, or if you're that despicable poison him(with alcohol ) etc.

Lost at least rolls with us using loopholes to our full extent*.

*Literally we somehow went left field and take advantage of minor lore stuff that Lost rolled with even if it wasn't planned and circumwents the point of the test at that time.
 
Evillevi said:
Then why argue about points like it's effective, we can make and use our own top tier weapons, and etc as a way to convince us.

Cause really you're literally better off with appealing to emotions and people's preference* since the above points are objective (Magic is effective due to range, we can make Staves and wands or learn to make them by the time we can make legendary weapons and etc) while subjective stuff is subjective.

*See Beep Beep's current vote

Or trick him. Or use better equipment, or if you're that despicable poison him(with alcohol ) etc.

Lost at least rolls with us using loopholes to our full extent*.

*Literally we somehow went left field and take advantage of minor lore stuff that Lost rolled with even if it wasn't planned and circumwents the point of the test at that time.
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I have been. I have pointed out that we can use the stuff we make our selves several times now.
 
While training in both weapon and magic is nice, don't you guys want to find more meatsh- i mean friends as well while at the bar since it doesn't cost us anything while being friendly at the tavern...:D
 
nightblade said:
I'm not with evil. We have no reason to up magic at all.
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New Enchantments. When we learned spells from the book it also gave us enchantments. Each spell we learn probably has a corresponding enchantment. There is also the chance that by learning more magic, we will be able to make our own enchanting rods.
 
nightblade said:
Thought so. There is no way we are going to get that good at magic to do that. We will be much better off learning how to use a weapon.
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:Citation Needed:

Weapon wise we're trying to best someone with dedicated months of 'elite' training to our partial month whose beginning stat is insane (refer to the sergeant punching him and hurting his hand)

All lost said would be that we need to be good at magic. Not that it's worse than Melee.
Doomsough said:
New Enchantments. When we learned spells from the book it also gave us enchantments. Each spell we learn probably has a corresponding enchantment. There is also the chance that by learning more magic, we will be able to make our own enchanting rods.
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We can already make Enchanting Rods IIRC. IT's under Misc.

Learning more magic (besides the utility of magic in and of itself) potentially has a chance of giving us something related to enchanting that we can't get by focussing on enchanting. Where or how much we need to have is questionable.

At anyrate here's my plan. Feel free to change it

[X] Plan we found out how to imbue light so let's take it a step further.
[X] Act as a liason between the Priesthood and the Army
-[X] Send a message to Priesthood on two separate issues. Potential cross training with the army and to learn the Light Attunement process for them selves.
-[X] Send the Army Heads a message about two issues. Potential Cross training with the Priesthood and to have their own Enchanters/Forgers learn the Light Attunement process.
--[X] First is that we're willing and want to teach the Light Attunement process to others since it's currently the best chance we have against fel magic and that other dedicated light attuners is good for our schedule on account of us wanting more time for our next big project. So at the least have them send some of their better forgers/Enchanters to learn from us or the Enchant Specialist the light attunement process.
--[X] Second is that with the Light Attunement it's possible to both bring the Priesthood into the battlegrounds and not lose their effectiveness and to teach Knights and Soldiers light magic to take advantage of the Light Attuned Weapon and Armor. Hence why they would need their own
-[X] IF we have some spare time work on our Enchantments. In particular a potential Earth Enchantment and making our Glowwing more solid
[x] Work days are 3/3/3/3/R
--[X} while at the bar, befriend the defenders of city or any other craftsman.
---[X] Attempt to contact and befriend Leon, one of the knights of Lothar, your acolyte helper, and that one crossbowman that you met so that you have a ranged and melee allies if things get worst.

@Lost Star is this okay?

In particular the Cross training and teaching light attunement thing.
 
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