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Puella Magica Somniabunt Sanguinis [PMMM/Bloodborne]

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HymnOfRagnarok said:
But if Madokami was the sun, and it had already taken note of them from how it stopped descending....confusing, but I guess entering Old Ones may not automatically notice Madokami. Ruby didn't.

And I had not realized Ruby sicced Uncle fucking Spider on Homura. Siccing her estranged family that tried to eat her in her crib, on Homura, that is some definite escalation. And a pretty clear sign on how far Ruby can be willing to go.

...Question, does omake indicate that the Incubators have contingencies or options available to them for handling Ruby? This kinda makes me curious how all this separation got engineering in the first place.
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They do have a few methods for dealing with out of context problems, yes.
Method One is sending every magical girl they can at it and seeing what sticks
Method Two is breaking out more combat-capable Incubator bodies, in Kyubey's case, genetically optimised super-tigers
Method Three is using Incubator-tech to dump it in a pocket-dimension and toss away the key.
Method Four is manipulating someone into dropping a wish on it and hoping that it has gone away to find a universe slightly less of a bother to consume.

Yes, in the Bad End, Ruby was only one level away from being treated as a full H P classic Old One. (NB: Not Chuthulu, the thing that Chuthulu worships. He's only a high priest, technically.)
 
the thing that cthulhu worships? so, like a bigger old one(i.e. cthulhus grandmother), or like an outer god?
 
Origami Clock said:
They do have a few methods for dealing with out of context problems, yes.
Method One is sending every magical girl they can at it and seeing what sticks
Method Two is breaking out more combat-capable Incubator bodies, in Kyubey's case, genetically optimised super-tigers
Method Three is using Incubator-tech to dump it in a pocket-dimension and toss away the key.
Method Four is manipulating someone into dropping a wish on it and hoping that it has gone away to find a universe slightly less of a bother to consume.

Yes, in the Bad End, Ruby was only one level away from being treated as a full H P classic Old One. (NB: Not Chuthulu, the thing that Chuthulu worships. He's only a high priest, technically.)
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*winces*

Well, good to know in advance.

Also good to know that even as a step away from a Lovecraftian Old One, the best she could do was stall Homucifer. At least, after Ruby's imprisonment.

And that even at that level, Uncle Spider is still scarier. I take it he would get the Level 4 protocol, if the Incubator caught him?
 
HymnOfRagnarok said:
*winces*

Well, good to know in advance.

Also good to know that even as a step away from a Lovecraftian Old One, the best she could do was stall Homucifer. At least, after Ruby's imprisonment.

And that even at that level, Uncle Spider is still scarier. I take it he would get the Level 4 protocol, if the Incubator caught him?
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If they got the chance to. Locking him away in Incubator Subspace would be a bit like giving a copy of your door key to a serial killer.
 
Origami Clock said:
If they got the chance to. Locking him away in Incubator Subspace would be a bit like giving a copy of your door key to a serial killer.
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You know I wanna say it couldn't happen to better people....but the Incubators at least arguable have a useful goal, and more importantly have their fingers in a lot of pies. So that would be giving Spider the keyrings to the multiverse as they know it.

...Why did Ruby think it was a good idea to call him, again?
 
HymnOfRagnarok said:
You know I wanna say it couldn't happen to better people....but the Incubators at least arguable have a useful goal, and more importantly have their fingers in a lot of pies. So that would be giving Spider the keyrings to the multiverse as they know it.

...Why did Ruby think it was a good idea to call him, again?
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She made a promise.
edit: Homu'd
 
........ That.....

How?
Why?
I don't?
This is...
Nyarlathotep's darkest dreams, that was heart-wrenching.

PS: How do you do that Eldritch Speech?
 
King Tharassian said:
........ That.....

How?
Why?
I don't?
This is...
Nyarlathotep's darkest dreams, that was heart-wrenching.

PS: How do you do that Eldritch Speech?
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It's Zalgo, H̖̥̺͕̺̯̥̳̼̦̘̦͊̾ͧ̎̈̄͗ͭ̄ͦͨ̓̈̚̕͟E̴̲̼̞̤͇̓ͪ͂͛͊̽͋̄ͮ̈ͩ̀́̈̓̇͑͜͠ ̢̼͖̻̫̫̪͕͍ͬ̔ͦͤ͡ͅC̭̺̟͍͉̮̙̰̱̭̦̥͕̥̬̽̌͒ͦ͌ͪ́͐ͣ͒͂͛ͧ̒̾͟͡Ơ̘̦̖̦̰̔̓͛̑̎̈̉̌̆ͬ̈̊ͭ̏ͨ͗͜M̨̬̩̯̠̩̈́ͩ̌ͩͮ͐̎̂̂̽̋̓ͯͨ͑ͨͨ͢͠Ẻ͆̓ͮ̅͏̶̛̭̠͎̘͎̀͡S̼̬̖͙͕̹͕͇̠͔̳͋͗ͭ͒̊ͩͤ͋͛ͪ̋́͘̕͡!̸̸̻̹̟̟̖̺̜̘̘͇̤̹͉̩̹̭̤ͯͨ̐͆ͤ̒̆̽͂̋ͬ̆̀̚̕ͅͅ
 
.... Uh.... Thank you, Brother Archeo. Which congregation do you belong to? I'm Speaker for the East Coast Chapter of the Order of the Black Pharaoh.

[JK]
 
Origami Clock said:
If they got the chance to. Locking him away in Incubator Subspace would be a bit like giving a copy of your door key to a serial killer.
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a awful idea isnt it.
so uncle spiders power is basicly being everywere at once right? he literaly split himself into so many different degrees that his core self probly doesnt exist anymore
 
OffBrandANON said:
the thing that cthulhu worships? so, like a bigger old one(i.e. cthulhus grandmother), or like an outer god?
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It wasn't really specified in the story. At that time it was probably just an aside to reinforce the themes of the story; suggesting that just because Cthulhu is infinity greater than us, it doesn't mean he is significant or special, just one level higher on the scale.
 
racnor said:
It wasn't really specified in the story. At that time it was probably just an aside to reinforce the themes of the story; suggesting that just because Cthulhu is infinity greater than us, it doesn't mean he is significant or special, just one level higher on the scale.
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it always kinda annoyed my in those storys, and i like bloodborne because it takes the idea of it, and includes badass humans going to there level and kicking their ass's. wich i always loved a lot.
 
OffBrandANON said:
the thing that cthulhu worships? so, like a bigger old one(i.e. cthulhus grandmother), or like an outer god?
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Cthulhu is the high priest of the Great Old Ones, leading them in worship of the Outer Gods. The King in Yellow and Nyarlathotep are common in that regard, but are beaten in sheer volume by Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth. There's a whole hierarchy:

Outer Gods (Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep, Shub-niggurath)
Great Old Ones (Cthulhu, Cthugha, Dagon)
Servitor and Independent Races (Servitor: Deep Ones, Shoggoths, Star-Spawn) (Independent: Yith, Gug, Ghast, Ghoul, Mi-go, the Colour Out of Space)

But the exact hierarchy of the Great Ones is somewhat.... Enigmatic. There really isn't a given set of rules or roles for any of them or their servants, but I would say that it probably goes something like this:

True Great Ones (Oedon, Amygdala, Ebrietas)
False Great Ones (Mostly the One Reborn, but possibly others)
Kin (Self-explanatory)
The Surrogates (See Oedon's many, many, many spawn)
Servants (The Choir)

But then, there are still power differences between Great Ones, with Oedon and Amygdala probably being the most powerful... And maybe the Brain being the least. Then, there's the ambiguous nature of the Moon Presence, which in this Quest seems to be a definite Great One.

But to answer your question, we're probably on a power level equivalent with a younger Great Old One, and Amygdala is probably a lesser Outer God, and basically 'summon bigger fish.'
 
King Tharassian said:
with Oedon and Amygdala probably being the most powerful.
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Personally I'd argue that Ebrietas was the most powerful, but that has more to do with her killing me like eight times while Amygdala went down like a chump than anything else :V

(Seriously, that goddamn squid killed me more than anything else in Bloodborne.)

Oedon is a bit of an odd case, being the only named Old One that doesn't end up dead. But that's because he's Formless, which simultaneously means you can't really kill him and that he is very limited in what he can do. Making some children during the Blood Moon seems to be the extent of his ability to affect the world.

The Brain is also kind of odd (all of them are, in some way or another), as it wanted nothing to do with humanity. It was just hanging out in its dream, when some humans showed up and trapped it, taking over the dream and turning it in to a nightmare. Which, ah, didn't work out too well for them. Or the Brain, which basically asks you to kill it in the end.

But then, that's a running theme of Bloodborne. There's no real way to avoid being hurt or killed or driven insane by things you don't understand (whether that be Old Ones or humans) precisely because you don't (or even can't) understand them. Half the Old Ones were arguably trying to help humanity, and still end up slaughtered. Amygdala was the only one that was definitely, malevolent, if I recall.

Hell, the Moon Presence deliberately got damn near all of the other Old Ones killed in an attempt to keep them from influencing humanity, and still got killed by a human in the end.

So, I guess what makes Ruby special is not that she's friendly, but rather that she's actually capable of understanding and communicating on both sides of the fence. Picking both 'Eldritch' and 'Humanity' was probably a major part of that, as well as being raised by both an Old One that used to be human and a human-ish being.
 
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Sydonai said:
Cthulhu is specifically the High Priest of Azathoth.
And Dagon isn't really a Great Old One, just the largest and oldest of the Deep Ones, who they worship as their progenitor.
Also IIRC Cthuga is served by the Fire Vampires.
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Right about Cthulhu and Cthugha. (But on Azathoth, why can't anyone get it that HP's definition of "nuclear" didn't mean "atomic"?)
On Dagon: I'm fairly certain that he is, in fact, a Great Old One. The wiki says as much, as does the chart I used to put together my post.

GrimTheMad said:
SNIPSNIP
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I can see your point, but I feel it's worth mentioning that Uncle Spider managed to break through, and I quote, "a dream within a dream within a dream" and "a pearl of impassible hells" to get at Ruby. That was a mere Echo of Amygdala, and it actually threatened to consume the child of the Good Hunter (Paleblood Hunter? Moon Hunter? Whasshe called, as a Great One?), despite the fact that the Hunter is arguably the most dangerous of them all.

And regarding all of them, but particularly Oedon, it seems that being able to affect the Waking World is an incorrect basis for their power levels. I'm also guilty of this. Considering that they can dwell in dreams and alternate dimensions, we will likely never be able to create an accurate scale for their full potential. By the time the Hunter fought Amygdala, for example, he'd already cut his way through things that HPL would have balked at (though HPL balked at a lot of things, so that doesn't give a good comparison [Curse you, turn-of-the-century supremacism!]).

EDIT: DANG IT! Why can't I remove those last Quotes?!?!
EDITCEPTION: Never mind. Got rid of them....
 
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King Tharassian said:
Right about Cthulhu and Cthugha. (But on Azathoth, why can't anyone get it that HP's definition of "nuclear" didn't mean "atomic"?)
On Dagon: I'm fairly certain that he is, in fact, a Great Old One. The wiki says as much, as does the chart I used to put together my post.



I can see your point, but I feel it's worth mentioning that Uncle Spider managed to break through, and I quote, "a dream within a dream within a dream" and "a pearl of impassible hells" to get at Ruby. That was a mere Echo of Amygdala, and it actually threatened to consume the child of the Good Hunter (Paleblood Hunter? Moon Hunter? Whasshe called, as a Great One?), despite the fact that the Hunter is arguably the most dangerous of them all.

And regarding all of them, but particularly Oedon, it seems that being able to affect the Waking World is an incorrect basis for their power levels. I'm also guilty of this. Considering that they can dwell in dreams and alternate dimensions, we will likely never be able to create an accurate scale for their full potential. By the time the Hunter fought Amygdala, for example, he'd already cut his way through things that HPL would have balked at (though HPL balked at a lot of things, so that doesn't give a good comparison [Curse you, turn-of-the-century supremacism!]).

EDIT: DANG IT! Why can't I remove those last Quotes?!?!
EDITCEPTION: Never mind. Got rid of them....
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i wonder just how strong the paleblood hunter would be as a great one. given that you kill half of the great ones you meet, he's probly strong.
also yeah amygdala is a scary mother fucker in every single way.
 
Wait, I haven't been keeping up with the thread outside of updates. Amygdala is Uncle Spider? I thought Uncle Spider was Rom, the actual spider guy.

Side note, really need to get back and actually finish Bloodborne.
 
GrimTheMad said:
So, I guess what makes Ruby special is not that she's friendly, but rather that she's actually capable of understanding and communicating on both sides of the fence. Picking both 'Eldritch' and 'Humanity' was probably a major part of that, as well as being raised by bother an Old One that used to be human and a human-ish being.
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I actually guessed that was the case right at the beginning of the quest, so your welcome. *Preening Flower Noises*

:V
 
RexHeller said:
Wait, I haven't been keeping up with the thread outside of updates. Amygdala is Uncle Spider? I thought Uncle Spider was Rom, the actual spider guy.

Side note, really need to get back and actually finish Bloodborne.
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Yes. Uncle Spider is Amygdala. There isn't more than one Rom, and Spider is explicitly said to have made copies of himself to the point where he became nearly mindless.
 
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