Yui becoming The Witch Empress of Japan, who preserved own mind and is being able to clean followers of corruption... Sort of.

Well that is one way toward long lasting future.

... Put it into list of plans "For rainy days".


... We need brother's university to start searching for additional alternatives.
 
I mean, you did post it at 1 in the morning in my time zone, so a muted response is to be expected since everyone in the Americas was likely asleep.

That being said, I don't really see what your vote does that the current winning one doesn't? It just seems like a lot of moving pieces for rather minimal gain, unless I'm missing something.
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From general discussion and voting patterns, people like education and relaxed votes, plus maybe some specifics. That's what I gave them. I mean, no matter what this is a vote about talking to the girls and teaching them to fight witches. Unless somebody decided to blow it off and work on therapying at Shinobu or Chou, pretty much EVERY vote is gonna look the same.

This was as different as it could be while still following the basic plan of 'educational' and/or 'relaxed'.
 
To craft a gratuitous metaphor, I view Yui's friendship skills in much the same way as any machinery in its weight class, in that the proper employment is to tell it what you want, check that it's doing what you think it's doing, and at all times keep your fingers out of the moving parts because they will win all conflicts.

Without the gratuitous metaphor, I think you've added unnecessary and potentially slightly interfering constraints on how Yui and Maiko should operate. To pick a line:
--[] Group 1 is focused and educational. Maiko will generally lead the group from the rear, providing instructions, advice and support. Tomo as backup and healing, or if necessary Yui for raw firepower. First couple witches will be more cautious in member selection, but will loosen up as people prove capable.
Those are all calls that Maiko will make, based on the alternate vote. She is a good teacher; I think we shouldn't tell her how to work other than to set goals or when we know something she doesn't.

In particular, Yui and Maiko are about to learn all sorts of things about everyone present and react on the fly to it.

However, once we see what happens, I expect we'll be in a much better position to meddle if needed. I've mentioned that I'd like the newbies to spend at least some of the time hunting with vets, but that's something to arrange with the vets themselves after making introductions. I figure we'll have an all-hands meeting some time in the next few days.

Also, I want to get everyone a phone (those who don't already have one) and an account on some sort of collaboration tool so it's super easy to arrange things of the form "On X day meguca Y and Z will hunt for witches in area A, and it's been B days since the area was last patrolled" with easy coordination with Minami's news trawling (and/or spreading that responsibility around, since I'm sure she'll soon have various Top Secret intel work).
I wonder if you could modify an Incubator body to siphon grief directly from a Soul Gem without requiring a Grief Seed intermediary. Of course, that sounds like the sort of thing the Incubators would be careful to avoid when they designed their bodies.
Not saying it's impossible, but it was tried and failed in Kazumi Magica.
Juubey was SN1. Everyone knows the first prototype doesn't work. There's a surprisingly universal rule of thumb that in a non-trivial development process where you're at the integration stage of building a whole unit and seeing how it works, the production version tends to be the 50th or so. As opposed to the 5th or the 500th I mean. :V
Figuring out if a particular Witch would be amenable to cooperation, yes, absolutely. Maiko can also communicate directly with Witches well enough to explain the idea, if they'll listen.

Finding such a Witch is the difficult part, not recognizing one.
Maddalena and Alexandria both are rather cooperative witches. I bet the fraction of potentially cooperative witches is larger than 1 in 1000 or so, meaning Maiko could potentially go door to door, if she had the support to do so for multiple years. (Finding sleeping witches would speed this up further)

Your worldbuilding looks like dozens of interesting ways for the world to end or be saved simmering away. I kind of love that, but I don't think statistics are on the Incubators' side here, given that they claim to be in it for the long haul. Sure most of them fizzle, but...
 
'kay, I'mma go ahead and close votes now. A few bits of character interaction with the newbies are already written but not all of it, plus I'll need to come up with some Witches, so... not sure how long this update will take. Depends heavily on inspiration, I guess?
 
'kay, I'mma go ahead and close votes now. A few bits of character interaction with the newbies are already written but not all of it, plus I'll need to come up with some Witches, so... not sure how long this update will take. Depends heavily on inspiration, I guess?
Bring back the guy who threw a Durian at Yui. He's my favorite.
 
I'm curious, and people have been talking about how, even in Witch form, Yui would still help and communicate with Magical Girls. I'd love to see all the information we currently have, if nothing else.
Her Witch name is Alexandria, so I did a thread search for "Alexandria", for posts by Echo. It's my general algorithm if I remember a suitable keyword.
Alexandria, the Witch of Conquest.

Recall how I've mentioned that in central Tokyo, powerful Witches have displaced meguca from the magic "ecosystem" and hunt weaker Witches instead of mundane humans? Yui's Witch would be a... quasi-benevolent version of that. Specifically, she'd hunt down and subsume the barriers of other Witches using an amped-up version of her existing wish magic, then mindfuck the actual Witch into something sorta-kinda vaguely resembling a human mindset if you squint a bit, before cramming the Witch's soul into a flesh puppet vaguely resembling the Witch's original body and setting the resulting witch girl loose inside the barrier, which would grow and expand with each Witch she subjugated. The end result, assuming she survived for a decade or two, would be a veritable city of half-lucid humanoid quasi-Witches inside a multi-hundred-square-mile barrier, drifting around Japan slurping up Witches as it passes and only fighting meguca in self-defense.
This is the most descriptive post I found on her.
 
I'm curious, and people have been talking about how, even in Witch form, Yui would still help and communicate with Magical Girls. I'd love to see all the information we currently have, if nothing else.
Just Echo making conversation somewhere, not threadmarked. Sorry. You'll have to find it the old fashioned way, unless somebody volunteers to find it for you.

This is the most descriptive post I found on her
Aaaaaaand there it is, before I even had a chance to rain on your parade. Give a like to your Precis, o' Valley of SV.

Though I'm sure there are still other scraps here or there waiting to be found.
 
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Is there anywhere I can find information on what Yui's Witch actually does? I can't seem to find it in the information tab.
Just Echo making conversation somewhere, not threadmarked. Sorry.

Yeah, I do that a lot. :|

At least in this case it's not information that's directly relevant to current events.

I don't think it was fully spelled out, though I'm not sure how it would be relevant information, given it could only come into play after the quest hits a Bad End.

Well, I am planning to post a "Best Bad End" omake around when Yui finally gets witchbombed showing Alexandria doing Alexandria things, including collecting the Witch forms of about half the main cast and then leading them into battle! I have a rough plot outline but haven't actually written it yet.

There's also a Witch wandering around who pretends to be other Witches corresponding to meguca who've entered her barrier, so technically you could fight a fake Alexandria that way. Maddalena or Candeloro are more likely choices though.
 
Well, I am planning to post a "Best Bad End" omake around when Yui finally gets witchbombed showing Alexandria doing Alexandria things, including collecting the Witch forms of about half the main cast and then leading them into battle! I have a rough plot outline but haven't actually written it yet.

I am actually kind of curious as to how close Yui is to putting the pieces together considering how many hints she's gotten. Maybe she's just making herself avoid thinking about it too hard using her magical-girl-anime-protagonist powers?
 
I am actually kind of curious as to how close Yui is to putting the pieces together considering how many hints she's gotten. Maybe she's just making herself avoid thinking about it too hard using her magical-girl-anime-protagonist powers?

I suspect that sheer busyness has also helped her avoid connecting the dots. It's been a pretty eventful week for her, and most of her skills at putting together related information have gone to more urgent endeavors.
 
On the topic of Alexandria, also this:
The Witch of Conquest, with a compassionate nature. She rails endlessly against the system that even her vast power could not overcome. Wandering the world, she seeks out the souls of those lost to despair and gathers them to herself, that she might protect now what she could not before.

To defeat this Witch you must first strike down all that walks within her barrier; upon finding herself alone, the Witch will surely lose all will to fight.

???: The familiars of the Witch of Conquest. Perfect dolls of flesh and bone, they are each unique and irreplaceable. They wander her barrier in a waking dream, acting out the fractured memories of the lost souls they contain.
 
I suspect that sheer busyness has also helped her avoid connecting the dots. It's been a pretty eventful week for her, and most of her skills at putting together related information have gone to more urgent endeavors.
Naw, when Yui extends trust, she extends it as far as her judgement of the person's intent allows.
Yui offers Maiko unreserved trust for a suspicious older woman with dodgy information sources, if Maiko said Yui shouldn't learn a thing she'd just plain stop asking.
This is no doubt extremely terrifying for Maiko to be trusted so much.

Note this is person specific, Yui is incredibly nosy much of the time, and she doesn't really trust Kyubey beyond a professional level. I'd put it down to her high social skills, her gut feelings about people tend to be extremely good.
 
Still, when basically everyone else knows, it is surely just a matter of time? I hope Maiko-and-pals are working on a plan to break it gently, and get to the reveal before someone else does.
 
Still, when basically everyone else knows, it is surely just a matter of time? I hope Maiko-and-pals are working on a plan to break it gently, and get to the reveal before someone else does.
Those who know are probably well-accustomed to the fine art of not thinking about uncomfortable truths; other than mean/traumatized jerkfaces such as Naoko, most probably don't want to share the knowledge at all unless it's obviously necessary, and long practice noping the heck out of lines of thought involving the fact probably makes them good actresses in that particular regard. And they just don't bring up or acknowledge anything tangential to it ever because nope nope nope.

I'm not worried.

I had a thought. Maiko doesn't have to go door to door to find cooperative witches. Because witch hunting really doesn't in any useful sense kill the witch; the soul remains intact as a grief seed, perfectly capable of building a new barrier around itself given sufficient resources, also much like a soul gem in stasis.

In particular, Maiko's corruption balancer/stasis device is also a long term repository for grief seeds. As long as she doesn't need to fill them past capacity, they keep indefinitely there. Consequently, if we got all the meguca in town involved in "give your grief seeds to Maiko before they're completely full," Maiko could almost trivially read the grimoire entry on all witches hunted in Nagamioka, and if a promising witch were to be found, rehatch that one.

It's not a complete plan, because rehatched witches are somehow berserk, I don't recall quite how, but it solves the logistics of finding a witch instead of witching out for superpowers.
 
Yui is being sponsored in order to avoid the loss of a major metropolis to a conglomerate Witch
Isn't Yui's witch all about conglomeration? I sometimes feel like Kyuddles either has no concept of long-term planning or just has terrible luck with wishes and witches that it is incapable of predicting, and zero pattern-recognition about such. I dunno, it just sometimes seems to me that Madoka had
A. Enough potential to affect the whole collective.
B. Would be pretty much completely insane, but still associated with its former self which was-
C. Closely linked to Homura, who had those unfortunate bouts of irrationality whenever an incubator approached her.
Did at no point this seem like maybe a poor idea, and that slow-and-steady was perhaps the best way to meet the quota? But hey, Kyubey gotta kyubey. If you reverse the syllables of Kyubey you get bake-you, coincidence?
 
I am actually kind of curious as to how close Yui is to putting the pieces together considering how many hints she's gotten. Maybe she's just making herself avoid thinking about it too hard using her magical-girl-anime-protagonist powers?
I suspect that sheer busyness has also helped her avoid connecting the dots. It's been a pretty eventful week for her, and most of her skills at putting together related information have gone to more urgent endeavors.
Naw, when Yui extends trust, she extends it as far as her judgement of the person's intent allows.
Yui offers Maiko unreserved trust for a suspicious older woman with dodgy information sources, if Maiko said Yui shouldn't learn a thing she'd just plain stop asking.

Between things Maiko has said and what she sees with her magic sense, Yui at this point basically knows that Witches are people, like Kyoufu and Muhou are, and that Grief Seeds are their souls, but she doesn't have any particular clues that Witches are (formerly) human. I think she also already understood--though meeting Kyoufu and Muhou will drive it home regardless--that Witches are literally made of suffering and do, in fact experience every moment of that.

The whole issue is uncomfortable enough to think about that Yui isn't likely to dwell on the subject unless something prompts her to do so, and is very unlikely to make the leap to "Witches used to be magical girls" without something drastic happening or someone explicitly raising the possibility.

Still, when basically everyone else knows, it is surely just a matter of time? I hope Maiko-and-pals are working on a plan to break it gently, and get to the reveal before someone else does.

I wouldn't say that basically everyone knows. I'd be mildly surprised if a majority of recurring characters did, in fact.

Among the veterans, Kiyomi and Chou don't know about Witches. Himari... might? I'm not 100% sure either way on her. Haruka knows if Himari does. Rio and Fuuka definitely know, and Fuuka still has the Grief Seed of their group's fourth member. Yumi knows, as you'd expect. Maiko told Minami and (I think) Asami, but IIRC none of the other local newbies know aside from Shinobu, who basically ordered Kyubey to tell her what things he actively attempts to hide from potential meguca.

Those who know are probably well-accustomed to the fine art of not thinking about uncomfortable truths; other than mean/traumatized jerkfaces such as Naoko, most probably don't want to share the knowledge at all unless it's obviously necessary, and long practice noping the heck out of lines of thought involving the fact probably makes them good actresses in that particular regard. And they just don't bring up or acknowledge anything tangential to it ever because nope nope nope.

Yeah, pretty much this. Even girls like Naoko don't like talking about it, because they don't want to be reminded that it applies to them as well.

It's not a complete plan, because rehatched witches are somehow berserk, I don't recall quite how, but it solves the logistics of finding a witch instead of witching out for superpowers.

Rehatched Witches are the opposite of berserk, actually. They're more aware of their environment because they've just woken after having their internal world smashed, and that makes them more dangerous because they're more likely to fight intelligently, especially if they're fighting the same meguca they just lost to. They're also stronger, on account of being freshly-restocked on corruption.

How does Kyuddles feel about that array anyways? Might they take action if we stop giving them our expended seeds?

The moment of becoming a Witch is bunnycat's big payoff. I'm not even convinced they do anything with the filled seeds given to them other than put them in stasis for a while before dropping them back into circulation in strategic locations to motivate contracts (like in Episode 3).

In any case, Kyubey's main objection to Maiko's grief seed collection would be the collateral damage if something caused the stasis field to fail while the array was supersaturated and hundreds of Witches simultaneously respawned in the middle of the city, and it can mitigate that issue by advising Maiko on how to add failsafes. (Advice she would cautiously accept, because she knows what the Incubator's motives are and that they can be trusted to logically pursue their goals at all times.)
 
Assuming the Incubators are genuine about being a hivemind and emotionless by nature, and that wishes are emotionally driven(we've never seen any Magical Girl being prompted wishes by the Incubators ever, even when it'd make sense to, so presumably a wish that doesn't come from the heart doesn't work), they literally can't predict wishes beyond doing the Incubator equivalent of those lawyers who hang around emergency rooms waiting for people who need to sue the cause of their accident in a hurry.

So magical girls are more insane than normal humans(who're already irrational, but still capable of applying logic to their madness), because of the effects of grief and puberty.
Witches are the extra-insane post-collapse form of what they already consider an insane phenomenon.
So they just plain can't get empathic based motivations, which are likely the drivers of conglomerate Witches. We have word from them in canon that most Witches seek out remote or isolated areas to stew in their misery, Witches shouldn't form conglomerates unless they are abnormal, or unless the concentration got high enough that accidents start happening.

They probably have some statistical risk modeling going on, but on average a schoolgirl will be making some kind of petty, personal wish regardless of their potential, so high potential = higher output without higher risks.
 
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