PhDEevee
Mathematician and Questgiver
- Location
- Sydney
Didn't a mundane knife manage to slice her skin? A dog bite could do some damage if it doesn't get her outfit.
Puella Magi Imperatrix Mundi, or: Wherein Half Of Japan Tries To Kill You
Didn't a mundane knife manage to slice her skin? A dog bite could do some damage if it doesn't get her outfit.
Echo
Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before
- Location
- "echolocation" dur hur hur
I think the only thing so far that's actually injured Yui are Kaede's crossbow bolts? Everything else has at most kinda hurt for a bit with no actual damage.
PhDEevee
Mathematician and Questgiver
- Location
- Sydney
I was thinking of 2:41, but on a reread there was no actual damage, just pain.
Echo
Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before
- Location
- "echolocation" dur hur hur
Here, I'll give you a non-exhaustive list of things that are/were definitely capable of seriously injuring Yui's body, i.e. broken bones, severe flesh wounds, etc., but not including possible gem breaking. This is all stuff that would, currently, be severe enough that the pain and damage would prevent her from fighting.
- Being engulfed and crushed by Harriet's second form
- Getting chomped by Lorelei's train-type familiars
- Exposure to Claire's spotlights for at least several seconds
- A direct full-power hit from Koharu's flame blasts
- Chou's thorned clubs
- Kiyomi's meteor hammer
- A direct hit from Shinobu's special attack that she hasn't figured out yet
- Direct attacks from Walpurgisnacht (i.e., not the flying buildings or familiars)
- Tiro Finale
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
I disagree on the powerful part.
Ridiculously manipulative? Yes. Oh fucking heck yes.
But he can't control other peoples decisions, just lead them on in a very specific direction. There is a difference in there, though it's very slight.
And the helpful thing is 'Kinda'. He's going to help you when it benefit him. If you can't do anything that would benefit him with more efficient entropy reduction, or are actually going to potentially reduce it, then he's going to try and work against you subtly. But until that point, yeah, he's helpful.
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
- Location
- Canada
It's been 5 hours and over 30 posts since the update, and not a single vote has been cast. So I'm just going to go ahead and toss one out there before I go to sleep. If I go to sleep. I don't even know.
[X] Approach Kaede and the dog slowly, Kaede's gem visibly in hand.
-[X] "Good doggy, loyal doggy, looking after Kaede. But she needs my help to wake up now, so let me help her okay?"
--[X] Wake Kaede up, ignore the dog as best you can if it tries to interfere.
[X] After she wakes up, take Kaede's gem back for security reasons. As long as she stays nearby it'll be fine.
[X] "Kaede, listen, I didn't really mean to knock you out right there. But I've had some time to think about it, and I think putting you back to... Uh... 'sleep' is a good idea for now."
-[X] "I can take care of your body, so when I wake you up next, it'll be like no time has passed for you. It's pretty much the closest thing to magical girl jail we have right now. But... I'm not sure what to do about your dog. And maybe you or Naoko have family that need to be contacted, or..."
--[X] Flail around a bit to indicate your current predicament.
---[X] "Look, help me out here so this whole thing can be as easy as possible. Mainly for your dog. But also for you."
[X] Take Yumi, Naoko, Kaede and probably Kaede's dog over to Maiko's meeting place.
-[X] Telepathy with Maiko to discuss the situation. Specifically, discussing Kaede and her dog's future. Either disconnect Kaede before we arrive, Or delay arrival to continue the conversation about Kaede's future.
[X] Approach Kaede and the dog slowly, Kaede's gem visibly in hand.
-[X] "Good doggy, loyal doggy, looking after Kaede. But she needs my help to wake up now, so let me help her okay?"
--[X] Wake Kaede up, ignore the dog as best you can if it tries to interfere.
[X] After she wakes up, take Kaede's gem back for security reasons. As long as she stays nearby it'll be fine.
[X] "Kaede, listen, I didn't really mean to knock you out right there. But I've had some time to think about it, and I think putting you back to... Uh... 'sleep' is a good idea for now."
-[X] "I can take care of your body, so when I wake you up next, it'll be like no time has passed for you. It's pretty much the closest thing to magical girl jail we have right now. But... I'm not sure what to do about your dog. And maybe you or Naoko have family that need to be contacted, or..."
--[X] Flail around a bit to indicate your current predicament.
---[X] "Look, help me out here so this whole thing can be as easy as possible. Mainly for your dog. But also for you."
[X] Take Yumi, Naoko, Kaede and probably Kaede's dog over to Maiko's meeting place.
-[X] Telepathy with Maiko to discuss the situation. Specifically, discussing Kaede and her dog's future. Either disconnect Kaede before we arrive, Or delay arrival to continue the conversation about Kaede's future.
PhDEevee
Mathematician and Questgiver
- Location
- Sydney
Hmm... yeah, not terribly happy with the "we're going to put you to sleep for a long time thing". It's bound to cause her to react badly, and I don't think that's the approach I want to go for anyway. This isn't great, but will hopefully inspire people to vote. *shrugs*
[X] Bend down and show the gem to the dog. Maybe it will recognise it and not bite you?
[X] Wake up Kaede.
-[X] "Hello Kaede. You are now the prisoner of the Magical Girl of Love and Justice, Yui-chan!"
-[X] "I didn't want to hurt your dog, so I woke you up. We're going to go somewhere, and then I'm going to disconnect you again for a bit while we have a private discussion. Give me your Soul Gem, please."
-[X] "Naoko is... uh... going to stay disconnected for a bit. She's still alive though, don't worry."
[X] Ask Yumi to carry Naoko's body. You're keeping an eye on Kaede.
-[X] If she'd rather keep an eye on Kaede while you carry Naoko, that's fine too.
[X] Bend down and show the gem to the dog. Maybe it will recognise it and not bite you?
[X] Wake up Kaede.
-[X] "Hello Kaede. You are now the prisoner of the Magical Girl of Love and Justice, Yui-chan!"
-[X] "I didn't want to hurt your dog, so I woke you up. We're going to go somewhere, and then I'm going to disconnect you again for a bit while we have a private discussion. Give me your Soul Gem, please."
-[X] "Naoko is... uh... going to stay disconnected for a bit. She's still alive though, don't worry."
[X] Ask Yumi to carry Naoko's body. You're keeping an eye on Kaede.
-[X] If she'd rather keep an eye on Kaede while you carry Naoko, that's fine too.
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Echo
Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before
- Location
- "echolocation" dur hur hur
Pretty sure Yui kind of did intend to knock Kaede out, otherwise she would've handed Kaede's gem off to someone else first. Also, you can kind of assume that Kaede knows what being disconnected from your body entails. She's hardly new to this.
Yui's talking to herself now, is she?
PhDEevee
Mathematician and Questgiver
- Location
- Sydney
Yui's talking to herself now, is she?
What can I say, the responsibility has driven her mad.
- Location
- Home
Makes me wonder...
Are there any stories where Kyuubey just goes "Screw this subtle shit, I'm intervening directly with all the power of a Type II+ civilization on the Kardashev scale"?
Echo
Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before
- Location
- "echolocation" dur hur hur
Oh, I realize that. Trust me.
You don't know how tempted I was to make Yumi skip town just so I wouldn't have to deal with her name anymore.
And I swear I'm getting tempted to go back through and retcon her name to something else because WTF was I thinking.
Unitveras
"Return to nothingness!"
- Location
- Tatsumiyajima
Holy shit.
I thought Yui was powerful, but to this degree?
I'm genuinely speechless.
Echo
Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before
- Location
- "echolocation" dur hur hur
Well, it's what she wished for, isn't it?
And note, I'm only talking about pure offensive power there. Despite her overwhelming offensive power and the fact that only one of them can really do much damage, Yui would probably get curbstomped if she tried to fight Rio's group alone right now.
Not to mention that plenty of meguca are total hax such that offensive power doesn't mean much. She has no defense whatsoever against e.g. Shinobu's compulsion or Homura's time stop or whatsherface from SneezeQuest with the memory wipe thing, etc.
Unitveras
"Return to nothingness!"
- Location
- Tatsumiyajima
Good point, good point.
Though I've always did wonder....do bullets come out of time stop with the same speed they have before the stop happened?
Cause I'm curious because I feel like I might've found something 'bout it.
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Asami, on the other hand...
Don't think so. Besides, that goes against Kyubeys character: He wouldn't be nearly so hateable if he wasn't subtle as a snake.
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Echo
Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before
- Location
- "echolocation" dur hur hur
- Location
- England, unfortunately.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Very funny Fang (this is my new nickname for you YOU WILL ACCEPT IT OR ELSE!)
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
I think that the biggest thing is going to be to convince Kaede to go along with us without trying to social-fu us along the way like Naoko was doing and without trying to otherwise sabotage us. I don't think that she'd do the Joker thing, if only because she'd be leaving her dog behind, but I'd still like a one-liner that doesn't make it sound like Yui is threatening her or her dog to get compliance. So what are her goals and personality, and is there anything in there that we can use? Kaede "wasn't always like this", cried a bunch when she was first forced to kill someone, and still has enough humanity in her for her to love her dog. She also hasn't done any Joker antics and seemed kind of annoyed by Naoko's bloodthirsty bluff-calling. So maybe we can do something like this:
[X] Bend down and show the gem to the dog. Maybe it will recognise it and not bite you?
[X] Wake up Kaede.
-[X] Hello Kaede. You are now the prisoner of the Magical Girl of Love and Justice, Yui-chan! No talking, I'm delivering a heroic monologue.
-[x] Naoko said you cried for hours the first time you were forced to kill someone? That's not pathetic, that's Good.
-[x] And I'm Good. I'm not going to kill you. I'm also not going to make you kill anybody else by exiling you. But I also need at least a few hours to think about exactly how to help you.
-[X] So instead we're going to go somewhere and I'll disconnect you again so I can make some plans.
-[x] Thing is, your dog loves you too much to let me get near you, so I had to wake you up so you could walk there with me. Give me your Soul Gem, please.
-[X] Naoko is... uh... going to stay disconnected for a bit. Maybe for a long bit. She's still alive though, don't worry. See, her soul gem's right here!
[X] Ask Yumi to carry Naoko's body. You're keeping an eye on Kaede.
-[X] If she'd rather keep an eye on Kaede while you carry Naoko, that's fine too.
[X] Bend down and show the gem to the dog. Maybe it will recognise it and not bite you?
[X] Wake up Kaede.
-[X] Hello Kaede. You are now the prisoner of the Magical Girl of Love and Justice, Yui-chan! No talking, I'm delivering a heroic monologue.
-[x] Naoko said you cried for hours the first time you were forced to kill someone? That's not pathetic, that's Good.
-[x] And I'm Good. I'm not going to kill you. I'm also not going to make you kill anybody else by exiling you. But I also need at least a few hours to think about exactly how to help you.
-[X] So instead we're going to go somewhere and I'll disconnect you again so I can make some plans.
-[x] Thing is, your dog loves you too much to let me get near you, so I had to wake you up so you could walk there with me. Give me your Soul Gem, please.
-[X] Naoko is... uh... going to stay disconnected for a bit. Maybe for a long bit. She's still alive though, don't worry. See, her soul gem's right here!
[X] Ask Yumi to carry Naoko's body. You're keeping an eye on Kaede.
-[X] If she'd rather keep an eye on Kaede while you carry Naoko, that's fine too.
Time stop implies everything not specifically changed by the person in it will continue as going. Notice Homura deflecting every projectile heading for Madoka with her gun in time stop, but not being able to use it to deflect anything a bullet wouldn't already have been able to..
Also he basically has no lose condition barring a complete OCP happening like Madoka's wish or Homucifer, which are both cased by a dimensional traveler doing things he has no information on or running on different metaphysics.
Homucifer wouldn't have happened in the original continuity because Kyubey would be highly informed of the effects of Witches and intense Grief, with the capability of stockpiling. But in the post-Madokaverse, all he has to go on is that Homura there represents a unique physics anomaly from a previous iteration of the universe, and represents a lot of energy.
Echo
Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before
- Location
- "echolocation" dur hur hur
Of course, the really
part is that offering "wishes" they exert no control over is practically an OCP assembly line. Seriously, what did they think was going to happen?
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Of course, the really
In PMMM, humans are eldritch abominations, powerful but dull, that Kyubey was using to break entropy. Madokami and Homucifer are us going full Lovecraft on them, their comeuppance for meddling in things beyond their ken, and destroying them in ways they cannot comprehend for reasons beyond their imagining.
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