Path of the Immeasurable Swarm [Worm/Cradle]

To be fair, mitigating circumstances of their brains practically melting together. But as a Shard connected to Taylor QA also has a mostly-accurate copy of her mind on backup.

Is QA spiritual in nature in this fic? If it is then all that should matter is if QA can be manifested as a spirit with an independent will, has high level of existence, and whether or not Taylor and QA can surrender enough control to each other that they can work together toward a mutual goal. You can still force the advancement to a degree, as seen by Northstrider, but there clearly is a hard line where cooperation becomes necessary which is why Red Faith and Red Moon failed.

Given how controlling Taylor is and if what I've read of Taylor at the end of the series is any indication, advancing to Herald could be a fascinating character moment. I would prefer her remnant for that reason. I feel like you could get more mileage out of the advancement emotionally if it Taylor literally confronts the manifestation of her soul.
 
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Is QA spiritual in nature in this fic? If it is then all that should matter is if QA can be manifested as a spirit with an independent will, has high level of existence, and whether or not Taylor and QA can surrender enough control to each other that they can work together toward a mutual goal. You can still force the advancement to a degree, as seen by Northstrider, but there clearly is a hard line where cooperation becomes necessary which is why Red Faith and Red Moon failed.

Given how controlling Taylor is and if what I've read of Taylor at the end of the series is any indication, advancing to Herald could be a fascinating character moment. I would prefer her remnant for that reason. I feel like you could get more mileage out of the advancement emotionally if it Taylor literally confronts the manifestation of her soul.
I'd point out that this story line has Taylor growing up quite alot; she's a very different person from the end of Worm (or any point in worm/ward for that matter).

she's still controlling don't get me wrong, but not even in the same ball park or even the same continent as she used to be IMO
 
QA was similar enough to Taylor that they weren't sure who was the Human and who was the Shard during the Khepri incident.
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To be fair, mitigating circumstances of their brains practically melting together. But as a Shard connected to Taylor QA also has a mostly-accurate copy of her mind on backup.

A spirit is an entity with a will of its own, and most importantly, is made up completely of madra. Remnants are spirits, as are natural spirits (formed from vital aura being in perfect harmony -- Lindon has a natural spirit known as a Sylvan Riverseed attached to his soul), Blood Shadows, and perhaps other sheddings of the Dreadgods.

QA in a canon sense isn't a spirit. If that's how Cradle's magic system decides to interpret her, then your idea does have merit, but in this case, QA's make-up must be of shadow and dream madra, or she and Taylor won't be compatible for a merger. When Yerin and her Blood Shadow merged in canon, Yerin's path was mixed with blood, effectively giving her a slaughter Path. Still a pretty useful Path when it comes to fighting (but it did nerf her in other ways: her madra can't cut through non-living material as well as before). I have my doubts that any dilution of Taylor's madra would be tolerated by her techniques and her bindings.
 
Honestly, I was perfectly fine with not talking to anyone. I was still trying to wrap my head around just how frankly overpowered this world was compared to Earth Bet. Charity had barely shown me a fraction of her real power, but I was pretty sure she could have eaten Eidolon for breakfast. And from what I'd learned about her father, I would've given him even odds against Behemoth. Given that neither of them were even the most powerful person in the Akura Clan, well… I was happy to stay ignored for a while longer
I feel like this reaction is kind of exaggerated considering she just fought a being capable of:
Reality warping
Omnipresence
Time control
Transmutation
Energy control
Regeneration
Precognition
Etc
just feels a bit fake if only Because Taylor at this point to my knowledge has little idea of how strong any of the people are, but hey it's your story and you can write it however you want
(Sorry if this comes off as rude it is not my intention)
 
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I feel like this reaction is kind of exaggerated considering she just fought a being capable of:
Reality warping
Omnipresence
Time control
Transmutation
Energy control
Regeneration
Precognition
Etc
just feels a bit fake, but hey it's your story and you can right it however you want

Have you read Cradle?(the other source material for this story)
Akua Charity is capable of at least four of those, and she's in the second highest tier of power in her family.
 
Have you read Cradle?(the other source material for this story)
Akua Charity is capable of at least four of those, and she's in the second highest tier of power in her family.
I mean, yes, but to significantly lesser extent than someone like Scion.

She can probably take on Eidolon, because while his individual tricks are pretty impressive, he doesn't have her comprehensive suit of powers, and he would need to use at least one slot, and probably more, just to not get blitzed or edited out of existence.

But she also one of the most well connected and strongest people on the planet, and even an underlord could probably be world class parahuman on bet, if not really on the level of living gods like Ciara and Eidolon.

Also, comparing anything to Scion is unfair, he was so above everything else in bet that he literally would take as much effort as clearing dust from the table for him to wipe out all of parahumanity, he was above humanity to a ridiculous level, and sufficiently removed that Taylor probably doesn't really count him for any metric, unless "aliens" invade cradle, but what are the odds... Nervous chuckle.
 
Taylor probably doesn't really count him for any metric, unless "aliens" invade cradle, but what are the odds... Nervous chuckle.

It would probably really suck if the Will Wight expanded universe was filled to the brim with multiverse level threats, especially if a handful of them were personally invested in the destruction of Cradle as a symbolic victory over the Multiverse Police. And the rest were so far removed from humanity that their presence was anathema to sentient life.
 
I feel like this reaction is kind of exaggerated considering she just fought a being capable of:
Reality warping
Omnipresence
Time control
Transmutation
Energy control
Regeneration
Precognition
Etc
just feels a bit fake, but hey it's your story and you can right it however you want
worm had an incredibly wide variety of abilities who's strength varied greatly. But Cradle powers are just as varied. time control is a lot rarer but when it pops up it's very high end. Transmutation doesn't as far as I remember, but precogs are a lot more common; no precogs on Contessa's level that we see, but honestly Contessa was just broken and the ones the do have can see major disasters years in advance. in terms of power….. let me lay it out.

Every acknowledged adult in cradle should be at least low gold (4th advancement) with a few exceptions due to environmental factors and accidents keeping them from advancing.

Even a low gold on a path that is useless to combat could go through a dozen regular humans with bats swords or spears like they aren't even there. Simply because their body is that much better. That's the bare minimum power level and a lot of people hit it before they turn 18.

But that's the low end of the scale lets look at the upper end. Worm had Endbrings Cradle has Dreadgod's. The highest tear attack we see (ignoring conceptual bullshit) is a dreadgod blowing a chunk out of the moon from the planet surface. That's of a scale with or greater than Scions Golden Fuck You beam. The Endbringers don't stack up. Although ziz would probably do the best out of her siblings if she can predict most people from cradle which is very much debatable because she runs on such a different system.

For top tear humans. Worm had the triumvirate, fairy queen, a few others. Depending on the Path? Probably a number of Overlords (8th stage) can fight on that level. Maybe a handful of underlords (7) though ai doubt they could fight on that level for long do to the limits of their energy reserves, and I'd bet on a majority of Archlords (9) cradle probably has a few thousand people in the lord realm at a minimum. Probably a lot more considering even minor kingdom's have at least a half dozen or so and minor city states tend to have one leading them.

Sage's and Heralds are a step up in different ways from the Lord realm and we see them rip holes in space, manipulate time and launch conceptual attacks. I think it came up awhile back but there are in excess of 100 people on that level. Can't remember how many. And of course the Monarchs are just broken.

Monarch verses Endbringer bet on the Monarch wouldn't even be close. Monarch vs Scion...

Word of God is the fight goes to the entity. But that was from earlier in the series before we really found out how tough Monarchs are before the author realized how tough he was making them probably.

If you had a group of Monarchs working together? If you had one with a focus on death or execution and one focused on spacial manipulation working in tandem they MIGHT be able to pull off a lethal strike against his main body but that's iffy because of differing methods science for shards and conceptual bullshit for cradle. Against a smarter entity that's got it's head on straight instead of throwing a planet ending tantrum. I'd say you need a whole team of Monarchs but conceptual bullshit verses sufficiently advanced science bullshit makes that a debate where people point at each other and shout nah uh but can't actually back up there arguments with anything because at that point it's down to what power the author wants to win.

Summary, in cradle everyone had powers, they are almost or just as varied, and the upper end of power a human can wield is much much higher.
 
Even a low gold on a path that is useless to combat could go through a dozen regular humans with bats swords or spears like they aren't even there. Simply because their body is that much better. That's the bare minimum power level and a lot of people hit it before they turn 18.
Going outside before iron is considered dangerous, because bumping into a gold could see you crippled for life or dead.
is a dreadgod blowing a chunk out of the moon from the planet surface.
Poor moon people.
Probably a number of Overlords (8th stage) can fight on that level.
Not really, it is more that people like fairy Queen is much more varied in her abilities, her powers tend towards the exotic more than overlords.

She can theoretically blow up worlds, our put up shields no overlord can overcome (not you Lindon, sages don't count), but an overlord is ridiculously fast and strong, blink and they already moved a hundreds of metres or kilometres, there is that cool moment where Yerin doesn't pay attention to Sophara for a moment, who is really far away, and than Sophara is there, because she just ran that fast.

I would say Fairy Queen and Eidolon are in a middle point between archlord and the realm above it, purely on their exotic powers (something like a timestop is a weapon used by famous monrachs) with potential to punch up by sacrificing defence to get monrach scale attacks, but the nature of their powers leave too many gaps to deal with a proper sage, and a herald may also be capable of getting past exotic stuff thanks to their conceptual strength.
 
That's of a scale with or greater than Scions Golden Fuck You beam.
Not really. That's on a scale of String Theory who got sent to the Birdcage for building a gun capable of blowing up the moon.
Scion, when he actually got angry, blew up a planet and left marks on dozens of others that rearranged the geology. His first act during Golden Morning, as an appetizer, was to blow up British Isles.
Monarch verses Endbringer bet on the Monarch wouldn't even be close. Monarch vs Scion...
The problem of Monarch vs Endbringer is that it would really depend on the Shard. For example Queen Administrator doesn't really have brute powers to speak of but she can control everyone on Cradle below Sage/Herald if her leash is removed.
 
a herald may also be capable of getting past exotic stuff thanks to their conceptual strength.

personally I firmly believe that the space whales are magic as while sufficiently advanced technology can be falsely considered magic, magic can be falsely considered merely highly advanced technology and let's be real if we don't consider giant sentient bio crystals capable of creating breaches in the fabric of reality magical then what the fuck is
 
I see we're on another iteration of the debate over who's stronger. I didn't participate in previous debates like that much because they tend to be tedious, and ultimately the nature of entities would need to be adjusted to fit Cradle metaphysics anyway, so their strength within this fic is up to the author.

But, given the undying nature of the debate and the fact that, with the reappearance of QA the question of where shards/entities stand against monarchs and abidan is actually relevant, I suppose there is a need for an unbiased answer, if only to use as a baseline for the author to deviate from.

So, upon some thinking from first principles, I have arrived to what is undoubtedly the objective truth of the matter:

Me

I'm the strongest.

I would simply kill Scion and monarchs with hammers.

There, hope that helps.
 
The problem of Monarch vs Endbringer is that it would really depend on the Shard. For example Queen Administrator doesn't really have brute powers to speak of but she can control everyone on Cradle below Sage/Herald if her leash is removed.
You've been reading to much fanon as firstly QA serves the same purpose as HP being the management of an entities shards this is degraded to insects originally but then changed to include larger life forms at the cost of reduced range, the range is completely arbitrary as the utilisation of doormaker disproves the the possible reason for it even existing A it's not limited by the amount of things it can control and B transmission range is irrelevant since every shard is capable of doing what doormaker does, an example of this being how they can even interact with hosts while in alternate realities in the first place.
 
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I mean i like the theory that the shards are sentient literary devices that are crippled top powers. Given that you would need power weird enough to break the story to beat Scion (like Taylor and Panacea did when they upgraded her Story Drive powers to Mary Sue powers).
From what I've seen there are a couple of people in this that have story breaking powers but most of them are not the monarchs as they are maintaining the story.
I think the Shonen protagonists are more lightly to be able to beat scion than any of the current monarchs but i have not read Cradle so i don't know. Not that that really matter here as well as we are outside of scions story.
 
A fair few of the high tiers might have some esoteric way of intuiting that bully-into-suicide is the winning strategy against Scion and be able to do it.
Ok now I'm confused because Taylor most certainly didn't save just one world she saved at minimum a few thousand earths (more likely in the area of millions)
It's approximately 10^78 parallel worlds going by WOG iirc.

Far far too many people to wrap your head around even assuming that a small proportion have sapient life.
 
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