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I mean the entirety of Warmind is basically a trashfire lore wise so...
Paradoxical [Destiny/Worm Post-GM]
- Thread starter ensou
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OBJECTION.
he might not have attacked the Traveler, but it sure sounds like he was prepared to do so
Rasputin is designed to defend humanity, and if necessary, he is designed to defend humanity at. All. Costs. If the Traveler becomes a threat? He will kill the Traveler. His moral and ethics begin and end with "What does it take for humanity to survive?"
Twei
I have a face!
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- the land where they write things
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- They/Them
Yes? I'm not sure why you're saying that, given that I don't think it was in question.
I was responding to the claim of "Rasputin did not attack the Traveler to force it to stay and fight."
to which i say:
either it actually did attack the Traveler specifically to force it to defend Earth or it was prepared to do so.
and by implication, it did so or was prepared to do so even though the Traveler wasn't a direct threat.
and considering that the Traveler left the Eliksni during the Whirlwind and then fought back for the humans during the Collapse, one has to ask what the difference is. Rasputin pointing his guns at the Traveler would certainly be a reasonable explanation, whether or not they were outright fired in anger.
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I mean part of the issue is that Warmind basically retconned everything about the Warmind, so things like "Actually there is just one Warmind, and there only has ever been one, please ignore the numerous references in D1 & D2 to multiple Warminds" and "You know how Golden Age Humanity was completely helpless against para-reality threats like the Darkness and the Traveler? Oh yeah that's bullshit now here have this shiny spear that can totally kill a Worm God."
Because Bungie is only vaguely aware of what this "plot" thing people put in their games is.
Because Bungie is only vaguely aware of what this "plot" thing people put in their games is.
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Exo start at 1, Warmind reveals this via Braytech Exo presentations.
I'm not sure the Fallen actually ever refer to the Light as the Sky or the Darkness as the Deep. Variks might've called the Darkness the Deep once post-TTK, but that's about it. Unless you want to claim the whole sky-whirlwind association is strong enough to assume that they do.
OBJECTION!
What do you call the World's Grave then?
The Campaign is a burning pile of shit, but the surrounding stuff is interesting. Ana, Elsie being the Exo Stranger, Braytech stuff like Exo origins. The three exotics you get from completing the campaign are also fairly interesting, since they're told Books of Sorrow style.
You're toutin' some heavily outdated lore there bub. Other Grimoire cards make it clear that Rasputin did not execute subroutines related to harming the traveler even if he was capable of it.Yes? I'm not sure why you're saying that, given that I don't think it was in question.
I was responding to the claim of "Rasputin did not attack the Traveler to force it to stay and fight."
to which i say:
either it actually did attack the Traveler specifically to force it to defend Earth or it was prepared to do so.
and by implication, it did so or was prepared to do so even though the Traveler wasn't a direct threat.
and considering that the Traveler left the Eliksni during the Whirlwind and then fought back for the humans during the Collapse, one has to ask what the difference is. Rasputin pointing his guns at the Traveler would certainly be a reasonable explanation, whether or not they were outright fired in anger.
Yes? I'm not sure why you're saying that, given that I don't think it was in question.
I was responding to the claim of "Rasputin did not attack the Traveler to force it to stay and fight."
to which i say:
either it actually did attack the Traveler specifically to force it to defend Earth or it was prepared to do so.
and by implication, it did so or was prepared to do so even though the Traveler wasn't a direct threat.
and considering that the Traveler left the Eliksni during the Whirlwind and then fought back for the humans during the Collapse, one has to ask what the difference is. Rasputin pointing his guns at the Traveler would certainly be a reasonable explanation, whether or not they were outright fired in anger.
And I am stating "Rasputin did not attack the Traveler, nor did he even point guns at it. He was worried about the Darkness, as well as Nokris and Xol."
Not gonna argue, some of it has been a total dumpster fire. Maybe there's some space-magic-bullshit because it was wielded by a guardian? Maybe Rasputin spent the last few centuries figuring out how to kill a worm god? Maybe Nokris and Xol are weak because they've spent the last few centuries trapped in a block of ice, and are slowly starving to death because of it? All of the above? Who the fuck knows, because Destiny's small DLCs have almost all been dumpster fires, with House of Wolves being the Sole Exception. Warmind was just sad, quite frankly. That boss fight should have been a goddamn Raid in the Ascendant Realm, not a strike on Rasputin's door step, and there clearly should have been another mission between fighting Nokris and killing Xol: namely, escaping the Deep because Xol was clearly trying to throw us face first into the Deep.
Still, the background lore has always been solid and on-point, and that's what I largely care about. The amount of time I've spent digging through Hive & Taken lore should be pretty evident, and this expansion even helped with that (Glances at folder labelled "TTQ - Electric Boogaloo"). Now if only they'd drop some more Ahamkara lore...
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Destiny at its core is a bunch of really cool ideas executed incredibly poorly, which is honestly more infuriating than it just being straight bad
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- Illinois
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A private library that Taylor would not have had access to. I actually thought about the World's Grave right before I posted that comment.
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Battleship_Fusou
(The Itty-Bitty Pretty Battleship Kitty)
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How did I not find this earlier?
Too busy writing the next chapter of A Lion in Winter is the leading cause I bet. *is hopeful *
Battleship_Fusou
(The Itty-Bitty Pretty Battleship Kitty)
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- Surigao Strait
I am writing the next chapter, as well another story.
Where does that come up?
He could've been dealing with both. IIRC, he can operate in multiple places simultaneously according to Ana.
It was pieced together from background lore, and bungie confirmed it.
Rasputin is built to win. Attacking allies while a Civilization Kill Event is occurring is not conducive to winning. Please stop trying to force Rasputin into holding an idiot ball.
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- Canada
As someone who's not really a fan of Destiny, this is really good. I really shouldn't be surprised at this point though, you're an excellent writer with the ability to draw out the best from your characters, and once you've got that even if everything else was dull we'd be hooked for the rest of the ride anyway. Certainly helps that the rest is far from boring.
I've also learned more about Destiny's lore from this than playing through most of the first game.
I've also learned more about Destiny's lore from this than playing through most of the first game.
Mizu
Software Developer
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- Victoria, Australia
Not hard, that. Unfortunately the creators of Destiny 1 didn't include much lore in the game itself, instead relegating it to a website you had to visit after collecting lore information cards, to read what lore your account had unlocked. Can't recall if 2 changed this before I stopped playing, though I'm skeptical.
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Fair point. They hinted at the idea of their universe, but unlike their previous games they really dropped the ball when it came to lore. Sure, it's all in one place and cataloged, but you have to unlock it, log in to some site (which I can't remember if they want you to make a new account to connect your console account to) and then sift through it all. Not a good primary distribution method. If they'd had it as 'hey, check out this cool site where we put all of the extended lore' that would of been awesome, but the game itself really needed to say more than it did. Especially considering the several points where it literally says "There's tons of cool stuff I could tell you, but I won't".
Evil Atlas
Inspector of Details
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- Denial
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- He/Him
Fair. That said, I do want to note that the Grimoire entries were often really good. The Books of Sorrow were especially excellent, and a friend of mine described them as poetry.
That has changed. Most of the lore is within game, either through objects you find and scan or through descriptions in exotic items.
The closest they've come to the Books of Sorrow are the physical items that come with the Collectors Edition of the games, where they provide actual books. The Destiny 2 collector's Edition contained a book that was basically "Those That Forsake My Love, or Who is Dominous Ghaul, Why He Betrayed Me, and The Traitors that Sided With Him (Would you please kill them for me? I will reward you ever so much.) by His Imperial Majesty, Master of the Leviathan, Calus"
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James D. Fawkes
Court Scribe
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Not only FSN and Nasu, but Destiny and Halo as well, @ensou?
I think I'm in love.
Playstation or Xbox? The answer could make or break this relationship. :lol
(Suddenly, I want to go back and plumb the Vault again. They broke the mold with that one.)
I'm enjoying this, though. I'll have to go back later and like bomb all the story posts, since I just blitzed through, but it's an interesting premise that I don't see too often. There are maybe one or two stories, whose names I've forgotten because they weren't that great, where it's actually Taylor in Destiny rather than Ghost + Guardian powers in Worm. I like...all of it, really. Especially that Taylor is actually, you know, making her own weapons - I'm tempted to get you some more fanart of her Final Mercy, like I did for the cover of A Finely Hone Blade, but guns aren't really something I'm super good at drawing and I'm pants at actually modeling, so... Maybe I could try doing it in Zbrush? We'll see.
There's a lot of backstory and thought that obviously went into this, and your love for the lore is very much on display. I look forward to seeing more of this, and now I'm going to have to actually go back and read all the Grimoire. Especially with that book coming out in a couple of months.
Every time I read something new of yours, it makes me want to do a collab with you. Maybe I should try and snatch you up for Serenity and UtM.
I think I'm in love.
Playstation or Xbox? The answer could make or break this relationship. :lol
(Suddenly, I want to go back and plumb the Vault again. They broke the mold with that one.)
I'm enjoying this, though. I'll have to go back later and like bomb all the story posts, since I just blitzed through, but it's an interesting premise that I don't see too often. There are maybe one or two stories, whose names I've forgotten because they weren't that great, where it's actually Taylor in Destiny rather than Ghost + Guardian powers in Worm. I like...all of it, really. Especially that Taylor is actually, you know, making her own weapons - I'm tempted to get you some more fanart of her Final Mercy, like I did for the cover of A Finely Hone Blade, but guns aren't really something I'm super good at drawing and I'm pants at actually modeling, so... Maybe I could try doing it in Zbrush? We'll see.
There's a lot of backstory and thought that obviously went into this, and your love for the lore is very much on display. I look forward to seeing more of this, and now I'm going to have to actually go back and read all the Grimoire. Especially with that book coming out in a couple of months.
Every time I read something new of yours, it makes me want to do a collab with you. Maybe I should try and snatch you up for Serenity and UtM.
ensou
Magical G̶i̶r̶l̶ Servant Mordred-chan
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- She/Her
Playstation :P
I could say it's because of the exclusives, but it's really more because I had to choose between a PS4 and an Xbox, and I liked Sony's launch titles more. I also had an Xbox 360, and before that a PS2, so it felt... right? to get a Playstation for the next generation. I haven't regretted it. (Like, holy shit Horizon Zero Dawn)
I haven't actually seen any other Taylor in Destiny stories, so--- oh wait. There was that one where she decided to go into the VoG, and it was told from Cayde's perspective, right. Was there another?
I'm actually working on gun art for this story myself, since it's drafting and I am so much better with doing that in Illustrator than I am with painting in Photoshop.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the book, even if it's only like fifty pages or whatever for twenty bucks. I'll probably wait for it to go down in price before I get it. But yeah, there's a lot of really subtle lore references in here, which you can thank to both my own re-reading of it and @Twei's thoughts for how to use random obscure bits he just finds (Like the
I've honestly never tried a collab (well, other than that one super-multi-self-insert thing that flopped out literally a week after all of us did a chapter) but it might be interesting?
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*perks up* Oh? What're you gonna use? What range? What cali-
Oh. I thought you meant... n-never mind, not important now.
*sigh*
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So did anyone get the full masterwork solstice set? I wanted to but then I looked up the prestige raid, 8 dogs in the pleasure garden? Fuck that
James D. Fawkes
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Boo! Xbox FTW!
Ah, but I understand the thing about exclusive titles. There were a couple of games I wanted to play but couldn't, because they're only for the PS4. There are some games, though, that are only exclusive because Sony is stingy and doesn't want to let the developers give the game room to breathe. FFXIV: ARR (and the later DLCs) isn't on Xbox only because Sony refuses (well, they say they "can't," but it's been proven that's bull) to enable crossplay, for example. It'd be cool if we could do crossplay in Destiny, too, although I'm not sure how you'd handle a "party" system, in that case.
I've seen a few Worm and Destiny crossovers, yeah, not many. Mostly on SB. I dropped a relatively good one when the author confirmed he was going to make the Traveler a third Entity, rather than try for something a little more imaginative. That just wasn't what I was interested in reading. This one is much more interesting, not only because it doesn't try and fit the Traveler and Light into Worm's canon cosmology, it's also Post-GM, which is even rarer.
Drafting, huh? Mm, I don't really use Illustrator, so I have no idea how to do that sort of thing. CSP is my usual program, although I've heard some people have had good results with Sai. Well, I guess, depending on how it turns out, I might take my own stab at it, so... Maybe, save the lineart as a separate png, when you're done?
And I...honestly, I've never really done a collab before, either? I tried to ask Xomniac how that worked with him and his team for This Bites, but he never gave me an answer. On the other hand, UtM is intended to be a visual novel, and there'll need to be a programmer on the team who can use Unity or UE4 or Ren'Py or Visual Novel Maker or something to program the VN, because I don't know thing one about that. Dunno if that's up your alley, but having another writer to help build the story might be nice, too. Considering how small the team for it will probably be, most of us might be pulling double duty, anyway.
Or you might like Project Nietzsche (yes, it's so secretive I haven't even given out the acronym for that story's name, yet), which is still in the infancy stages because, holy worldbuilding Batman, that thing still needs lots of worldbuilding.
Ah, did I forget to mention? Project Nietzsche will probably be a Web Serial like Worm, completely free to everyone, but UtM is an actual for-profit thing, so that's actually a job. Couldn't pay you until it went on sale, not unless we got a group Patreon page going or a Kickstarter or something, but my intent was for the team to stick together after it was finished and do more stuff like that. Make an actual business of the thing, tell more stories in the same universe.
In any case, ensou, I look forward to more of this story and more of...most of what you write, actually. Ah, but, maybe stop coming up with new stories? If you try and juggle too many at once, none of them will get done, you know!