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Overlady: Attack of the Minions (Thread II)

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Reading about Albigone, I'm suddenly reminded about the floaty alternative future we got sent to during the whole Eleanore debache...

Is that it? After Albigone Albiwentthefuckaway, the other nations also decided to try and "Albigone", only this time they had to do it manually by, let's say, engaging every single Windstone that they could find?
 
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Artemis1992 said:
Maybe Lee's sister is possessing his armor.

It was noticed that the armor seems to be weightless, which could be an enchantment, or just it moving by itself. Most of the time they are together, but at need Lee can wear a secondary armor while the main one impersonates him in another part of the country.
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... why the fuck are you believing Lee when he says his sister is dead, when Louise specifically called out in her thoughts that he was probably lying and when that's exactly the story they would use if they were pretending to be a single person and didn't want anyone asking awkward questions about where the missing twin went or what happened to her?

He is literally an evil emperor. Of course he's not going to tell you the truth.
 
Aleph said:
... why the fuck are you believing Lee when he says his sister is dead, when Louise specifically called out in her thoughts that he was probably lying and when that's exactly the story they would use if they were pretending to be a single person and didn't want anyone asking awkward questions about where the missing twin went or what happened to her?

He is literally an evil emperor. Of course he's not going to tell you the truth.
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Telling the literal truth while obscuring an important aspect of it (for example that she's still around) sounds like something some villains would do.
 
I used to think that Louise meeting the heroic party or her mother would have been one of the scenes I look forward to most for the entertainment value, but this Lee sibling team thing sounds really interesting too and I kinda hate how much sense the theory makes.
 
Emperor Lee's Sister IS Dead, however there may or may not be two persons who share the identity of Emperor Lee who may or not be related and be of different sexes.

or that is my pet theory.
 
meh, Emperor Lee IMHO is a Front, Facade, Persona or a Title/Station/Office and the person (possible multiple persons) behind that Identity is having trouble playing it Right with Louise because she is a good girl with... more common sense and a relatively strong set of morals and everyone else is what you would expect from Overlord.
 
Jonen C said:
Like how it's such a pain when they borrow your clothes without asking and stretch the fabric.
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There is no way that Vampire can fit on Louise clothes.

Also as the fanfic has gone on the Vampire has got more and more easy to hate. Is one thing to have different values to humans, but even fucking demons show more care and affection for their family that she does.

I do not like how much of a wimp Louise was in this chapter. She should have been way more tough with her sister and punish her for what she did.

She also have up on not taking certain half demon to danger without a fight.

Even canon Louise has a stronger will than this one.
 
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Pinklestia said:
Also as the fanfic has gone on the Vampire has got more and more easy to hate. Is one thing to have different values to humans, but even fucking demons show more care and affection for their family that she does
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I mean, the sister she tried to kill is the reason she's an undead monster, and the sister that put a hole in her chest, was trying to stop her from avenging her living self, honestly, I'm not surprised that Cat is distancing herself from both sisters.
 
Jonen C said:
She doesn't need to breathe, though.
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The size difference is too big, she would outright break the clothes.

Lone Courier 6 said:
I mean, the sister she tried to kill is the reason she's an undead monster, and the sister that put a hole in her chest, was trying to stop her from avenging her living self, honestly, I'm not surprised that Cat is distancing herself from both sisters.
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Cat is a hypocrite because she loves being a Vampire. And if Louise had not stopped her from killing her big sister then Cat would be hunted by "Heavy Wind" itseft. Not to mention that a Vampire, even a powerful one vs an Overlord with the power Eleanor had? Yeah Louise saved Cat unlife at least two times there. Not to mention Cat has not been grateful at all since Louise not only helped her to get revenge on the Vampire relative that turned her, but let her have a life of luxury and debauchery her parents wouldn't aprrove off even if Cat was not a vampire.

Killing family is not only a crime, it hurts the family honor. There is a reason even Evil prefers indirect methods to kill family so they have cover stories.

And Cat is ignoring the fact one of her lovers betrayed her to an Evil God, meaning she is also being an idiot.
 
Pinklestia said:
Cat is a hypocrite because she loves being a Vampire. And if Louise had not stopped her from killing her big sister then Cat would be hunted by "Heavy Wind" itseft. Not to mention that a Vampire, even a powerful one vs an Overlord with the power Eleanor had? Yeah Louise saved Cat unlife at least two times there. Not to mention Cat has not been grateful at all since Louise not only helped her to get revenge on the Vampire relative that turned her, but let her have a life of luxury and debauchery her parents wouldn't aprrove off even if Cat was not a vampire.

Killing family is not only a crime, it hurts the family honor. There is a reason even Evil prefers indirect methods to kill family so they have cover stories.

And Cat is ignoring the fact one of her lovers betrayed her to an Evil God, meaning she is also being an idiot.
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And that is different from a normal human person being irrational how?
 
DestinyPlayer said:
And that is different from a normal human person being irrational how?
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That she also has her vampire morality that makes her see people as food and that she puts her needs and desires over anything else.

Is telling that even some Demons and half demons seem to be better to their family menbers that she is.

Is other words, she is a less rude Eleanor with a + 5 on diplomacy and high level vampire powers.
 
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Pinklestia said:
That she also has her vampire morality that makes her see people as food and that she puts her needs and desires over anything else.

Is telling that even some Demons and half demons seem to be better to their family menbers that she is.

Is other words, she is a less rude Eleanor with a + 5 on diplomacy and high level vampire powers.
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...and that is different from a normal human person being irrational how?

I seriously don't get why you're singling out vampires specifically and condemning them when a large amount of non-bloodthirsty humans in positions of power are exactly the same way. Hell, Cat is being all too human in her reactions and opinions I would say.
 
Pinklestia said:
That she also has her vampire morality that makes her see people as food and that she puts her needs and desires over anything else.

Is telling that even some Demons and half demons seem to be better to their family menbers that she is.

Is other words, she is a less rude Eleanor with a + 5 on diplomacy and high level vampire powers.
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You're being silly, yes, her anger may not be rational but it's certainly understandable.

Catt has every reason to be angry about Louise shooting her and denying her chance at vengeance, that hardly makes her an especially bad family member.

With the exception of this situation, she has been very supportive of Louise and that's the opposite of being a bad family member.
 
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It wasn't just that Louise "murdered" her. It was that Louise killed her in defense of Eleanor. The girl who has been so terrible to the both of them they use her name as a functional unit of measurement for "meanness". Eleanor who was responsible for an event so traumatic it literally defines Cattleya.

And Louise's excuses about how "you could come back" fall flat from Catt's perspective because she was planning on turning Eleanor.
Then, Louise waited 3.5 months to bring her back, and by her own admission was doing other stuff in the mean time.

Basically, Louise's actions told Cattleya, "I am willing to enact greivous harm upon you to save Eleanor from living with your condition" and "I do not find your life or presence to be a priority".

Catt has every reason to be pissed at Louise.
 
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I can't help but to feel like Catt moving in with Maria to be a dumb idea if that puts her in Amstrelredamme, given that mother dearest is still investigating.

As for the argument, I think neither side is correct. Both sisters did awful things to one another and put each other in awful positions for their own benefit. Assuming that nothing bad comes of them being seperated for a time, time away from one another for everyone to cool off is likely for the best.
 
The thing with some conflicts is that when you actually look at it from both angles, you can kind of see where both parties are coming from. Like, yeah, maybe Louise had to do what she had to do, or at the very least had reasonable reason to think that she did. But sometimes actions like that can come with emotional consequences, because the sister you love so much can be reasonably read to have stabbed you in the back over somebody that did something fucking terrible to you. And maybe you're just not going to want to be around that sister who did terrible things to you anymore who happens to be spending more time with that sister that you love (and who it could certainly feel like chose Murder Sister over you), or at least need some time to back up, and regroup, and emotionally recover from what happened in your life, something that maybe the others don't see the big deal about but matters a fuck of a lot to you.

Sometimes conflicts don't have a Good Guy and a Bad Guy, but it's just two individuals struggling with their own issues and have to make the choices that make the most sense to them, even if it means there's conflict and struggle and maybe at the end of the day somebody isn't entirely looking at the Big Picture, or Optimally Rationally, because that's not the way human beings operate and it'd be silly to carry that expectation into a work of fiction, really. And maybe that means relationships are changed forever, maybe that means somebody just has to... back a way for a while and re-evaluate and afterwards things might be not be the same as they once were but... good enough. Or everybody manages to patch things up. It all depends, and I think any of those resolutions can be completely fair and understandable when it comes to everyone involved. And you don't want every conflict to be like that really, but it's nice to have them sometimes because they're refreshing and human.

It's important to remember that in the story, characters are kind of people too, they exist within their own universe and within that confines aren't going to act like LogicBots or what might Make The Story A Certain Way, but how an individual might reasonably act in that situation, because they're individuals operating, within a simulacrum of reality.
 
I don't know if I got all the political satire.

I mean the brexit thing was obvious but I feel like I probably missed some other stuff.
 
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