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Overlady: Attack of the Minions (Thread II)

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DB_Explorer said:
How many kudos from the underworld does Louise get for getting The Valliere's into Evil again along with Karin the heavy wind?

Or would the justification logic not work for Karin?
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Hmm. Seems possible that Karin might see the Regents as Evil, and become amenable to helping a revealed Louise in putting Henrietta back on the throne.

Or perhaps Karin will decide to rescue Henrietta herself, to reaffirm her family's Heroic credentials (and get back Catt), and throw a monkey wrench in every one of Louise's plans.

Time, and ES, will tell.
 
I wonder if Gnarl was listening in on Louise's conversation with Henrietta? It wouldn't be the first time he's eavesdropped via the gauntlet, and I can't imagine him letting that opportunity slip by.
 
TakerFoxx said:
Pretty sure he already knows what she's up to, and is simply humoring her while manipulating things in Evil's favor.
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Like building up things where Louise can't go back to being 'Good' anymore? Not sure how much more he can do to change that however, as with Louise's actions right now she's more likely to out herself without needing his input.
 
TakerFoxx said:
Pretty sure he already knows what she's up to, and is simply humoring her while manipulating things in Evil's favor.
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The Dark and Evil Start of Evil Darkness said:
"She won't. Even now, she will go sulk off into her room, decide that the best way to act against Evil is to learn as much of it as possible so she is warned and armed against it, and... hmm," Gnarl stroked his goatee. "Yes, she looks like the sort to rationalise that Evil does not exist, and it's just a matter of opinion. That's a terrible habit, because it means you try to do Good in the name of Evil, but she'll lose that in time."
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Sounds about right.
 
TakerFoxx said:
>Ah, Minions. No matter how hard you try to keep them from breaking stuff, they will always find a loophole.
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Any attempt to find a foolproof plan to keep them from misbehaving will run into the fact that they're just so damn ingenious fools.
TakerFoxx said:
>Being kidnapped becomes dull routine? Man, being a princess sucks.
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The last person to try to kidnap Princess Charlotte of Gallia was found. He was most decidedly found. In fact, he was found in several different towns. The head was the only bit which was still - briefly - alive.

Meanwhile, while there have been a few successful kidnappings of Princess Isabella of Gallia, for some reason her kidnappers always come down with very rapid cases of terminal Deathitis. Dreadful disease; 100% morbidity rate. And she's always very shocked because she was trying very hard to persuade them to let her go and she has no idea how they got all dismembered, because she just closed her eyes and when she opened them again they were all dead.

Kidnapping princesses is not a low risk operation, for all its rewards, regardless of their moral alignment. However, the rewards are typically very large, so everyone tries it - especially since kidnapped princesses are Cabal Awards bait.
 
KaPe said:
Isn't kidnapping princesses somewhat old fashioned by now? I get that it's a proper Evil tradition and everyone should at least *think* about it at some point, but still.
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I think of it as the "late for school and running with a toast in your mouth" anime gag. I have the feeling that it might work as a cliche that it is either played straight or deconstructed in some way, but it must always be there.

Louise is an Evil Lady "rescuing" a princess from the forces of "good".

Some time in the past there might have been a scenario like the princess from 8-bit theater, she allows herself to be kidnapped on purpose so she can manipulate the evil overlord to do her bidding.

If bet the Cabal loves these little twists on an old trope.

EDIT: And now I'm thinking about a Demonic tvtropes (EvilTropes?)
 
mdkcde said:
I think of it as the "late for school and running with a toast in your mouth" anime gag. I have the feeling that it might work as a cliche that it is either played straight or deconstructed in some way, but it must always be there.

Louise is an Evil Lady "rescuing" a princess from the forces of "good".

Some time in the past there might have been a scenario like the princess from 8-bit theater, she allows herself to be kidnapped on purpose so she can manipulate the evil overlord to do her bidding.

If bet the Cabal loves these little twists on an old trope.

EDIT: And now I'm thinking about a Demonic tvtropes (EvilTropes?)
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Demonic tvtropes?

Tvtropes you say? Why yes, it is.
 
Going a bit more on Cabal Awards, and Princess-napping. I presume that "First kidnapping of Princess [<insert name]>" is bound to attract greater notoriety and be more preasing to this body.

Though, I wonder if there is a special "Princess Yo-yo" award. For successfully kidnapping the same Princess, several times, and successfully extracting ransom from it.
 
Faraway-R said:
Though, I wonder if there is a special "Princess Yo-yo" award. For successfully kidnapping the same Princess, several times, and successfully extracting ransom from it.
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Of course.

The Bowser Memorial Lifetime Achievement Award.

Well, okay, that one's more of a success on the first half. Although I guess the second half must have worked at least once or twice, because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to store coins in all those blocks after every kidnapping.
 
NemiTheNen said:
Has there been any Prince Kidnappings? (I'm so not up on the Lore of this game...)
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Oh, plenty. Much like beautiful princesses, handsome princes are worth lots of points with the Cabal. After all, there are plenty of female villains and male villains who are into that sort of thing out there, before you even get into the political and strategic nature of such things.

Henrietta, sadly, ended up a target due to shortages. I mean, what with the Prince Wales getting a bit too good at defending himself (though he got kidnapped a few times, and turned into a statue once), and people who kidnap the two Gallian Princesses winding up mysteriously dead from multiple stab wounds or sometimes their eyeballs being frozen solid... well, villains do have some capacity to learn. It was expected that Princess Sophia of Albion would be coming online soon, to relieve the monotony of Henrietta, but then the Albionese monarchy fell, and a fallen Princess is hardly worth anything - the Cabal does value corrupting them to Evil, or slaying then when they're trying to reclaim their kingdom, but that's different.
 
Yeah that would be nice to know.

Unless it might spoil something for the future of Overlady, then we shouldn't mind being kept in the dark about it.
 
mdkcde said:
Yeah that would be nice to know.

Unless it might spoil something for the future of Overlady, then we shouldn't mind being kept in the dark about it.
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Already covered in passing, way back in Part 2-3
"Ah, good, good! Well, the Republicans were victorious. The king of Albion and the Prince Wales are dead; the Princess Hibernia is said to have fled to Germania, but since she's only nine not much will come of that for a while. But that is not what matters. For shock! Scandal! Infamy!"
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Yeah, that thing AGSITV!Cromwell was worried about, that in ten years she'd be back as a banner for rebellious sentiment to overthrow him? Totally happening, if something else doesn't get him first.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Already covered in passing, way back in Part 2-3



Yeah, that thing AGSITV!Cromwell was worried about, that in ten years she'd be back as a banner for rebellious sentiment to overthrow him? Totally happening, if something else doesn't get him first.
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DOH! I completely forgot about that. My bad.
 
What about kidnapping cardinals? They're kind of like princes, but much more fun to corrupt.

I assume there's much grumbling directed at Shafeela for her part in causing the royalty shortage.
 
EarthScorpion said:
Yeah, that thing AGSITV!Cromwell was worried about, that in ten years she'd be back as a banner for rebellious sentiment to overthrow him? Totally happening, if something else doesn't get him first.
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One more thing, assuming this was a world without an Overlady. Would she stand a good chance of retaking her kingdom?
I mean, does she have what it takes?
 
mdkcde said:
One more thing, assuming this was a world without an Overlady. Would she stand a good chance of retaking her kingdom?
I mean, does she have what it takes?
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Well, let's see. She's an adorable little ten-year old girl with a tomboyish side hidden under the requirement to be a proper princess, the self-taught capacity to pick locks, a father who resents her for her mother dying in childbirth, a traumatic backstory where rebels burned down the place she lived and killed her beloved brother, and looking at her brother, she's going to grow up to be very pretty.

She's basically got the decks stacked in her favour, Heroism-wise.
 
mdkcde said:
One more thing, assuming this was a world without an Overlady. Would she stand a good chance of retaking her kingdom?
I mean, does she have what it takes?
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Well, with Germania backing her, she stands an ok chance I'd say. If she did take over, however, her reign would mostly be as a puppet government. Her children or grandchildren would probably rebel, saying "why should we listen to some foreign barbarians? Sure they helped (grand)mother retake the throne, but any true follower of Brimir would have aided his descendants." and so on.
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
Well, with Germania backing her, she stands an ok chance I'd say. If she did take over, however, her reign would mostly be as a puppet government. Her children or grandchildren would probably rebel, saying "why should we listen to some foreign barbarians? Sure they helped (grand)mother retake the throne, but any true follower of Brimir would have aided his descendants." and so on.
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That would only happen if she received backing from the emperor or a large portion of the germanian nobility.

Isn't Germania too fractured for that? She will probably get backing from some families and use that to kickstart the Albionese rebellion.
 
Selonianth said:
This is the best bit of Overlord logic ever. Very Gnarl.
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Just don't rely on it, because Overlady as a setting is quite, quite happy to occasionally stab such "obviously going to win" Heroes in the kidney by surprise, or swamp them with Minions, or other such things. It's one of those setting which runs on narrative logic just enough for it to be a running theme, but not enough that you can let yourself relax and let your guard down.
 
So basically, it's the equivalent of a +5 to all your dice rolls. Important and meaningful, but not enough to save you if you do something stupid or roll a one.
 
iemand said:
I think the resources spent turning an island the size of Albion into a fortress might be enough to conquer Halkegia three times over.
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Those resources have already been expended. Albion is a kingdom, with all the militarism that implies. Odds are it is already fortified, in so far as it needs to be -- floating islands aren't easy to attack. Personally, I imagine Albion as a bit like Switzerland, in that it is largely concerned with others' affairs and is an extremely tough nut to crack.
 
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