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Overlady: Attack of the Minions (Thread II)

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Okay, I have this really bad habit of not finishing video games, so I never got this far. Probably didn't help that, like Overlord 2, your choices were about how you were going to be Evil. (Yes, in Overlord I do prefer the 0% Corruption playstyle.)

So, I have to ask: Is this part of the main plot and more-or-less inevitable? Or it is a secret 'good path' route you can unlock by arranging a defeat of both Athe and Baelogi and then a confrontation between Eleonore and Louise that results in Eleonore winning but being too close to death herself to properly close out the victory by dragging you home to Karin? (I'm guessing a bleed or other DoT effect has to be active on her when she puts Louise down?)

Gotta admit, I'd be a little more inclined to complete Overlady if I had the option to have Wind Square Louise join up with the other heroes and go adventuring along with the remnant of her loyal forces.
 
... If the first Evil Overlord was that Barime guy, who was also the first user of void magic, wouldn't make sense that his equipment can steal/take void magic sense it was all once his to began with?
 
Albert said:
Okay, I have this really bad habit of not finishing video games, so I never got this far. Probably didn't help that, like Overlord 2, your choices were about how you were going to be Evil. (Yes, in Overlord I do prefer the 0% Corruption playstyle.)

So, I have to ask: Is this part of the main plot and more-or-less inevitable? Or it is a secret 'good path' route you can unlock by arranging a defeat of both Athe and Baelogi and then a confrontation between Eleonore and Louise that results in Eleonore winning but being too close to death herself to properly close out the victory by dragging you home to Karin? (I'm guessing a bleed or other DoT effect has to be active on her when she puts Louise down?)

Gotta admit, I'd be a little more inclined to complete Overlady if I had the option to have Wind Square Louise join up with the other heroes and go adventuring along with the remnant of her loyal forces.
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In fairness Overlord 2's Overlord was honestly almost doing Good in an Evil package.
 
ReadsByLamplight said:
I like how now that louise no longer has the gauntlet she can throw around lightning bolts strong enough to destroy buildings. Eleanore will have a hell of a surprise waiting for her.
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I'm pretty sure the simple fact of learning that Louise was a wind mage underneath all the Evil magic would bite quite a bit deeper than any lightning bolt Louise would dare use directly against Eleanore.

I'm curious if Louise has it in her to question Eleanore's parentage again.
 
xeivous said:
I'm pretty sure the simple fact of learning that Louise was a wind mage underneath all the Evil magic would bite quite a bit deeper than any lightning bolt Louise would dare use directly against Eleanore.

I'm curious if Louise has it in her to question Eleanore's parentage again.
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I dunno, I'm sure a huge fuck-off lightningbolt to her familiar's face would bite pretty damn deep...

Why yes, I do have something against evil women with little golden monkeys, why do you ask?
 
Aleph said:
Yes, I rather suspect that with all the "tsun counts as Evil to most effects that look for it" jokes, ES has been setting this up for literally years and has been eagerly awaiting the chance to be show off how the only reason that Overlady!Louise is "just" a temperamental tsundere when burdened with (a quarter of) all the world's Evil is because without it she's apparently even more naturally Nice than Cattleya.
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So, if Louise is 700 milliEleanores of Mean when she's a heir of the Void, and nice!Louise has a Mean-ness measured in negative milliEleanores, if we can determine the latter value we should be able to work out how many milliEleanores of Mean the Gauntlet contains.

Hmm. Can Unicorns measure Mean-ness the same way they seem to be able to detect Evil?

EDIT: I cannot into SI prefixes apparently.
 
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Arcus2611 said:
So, if Louise is 700 microEleanores of Mean when she's a heir of the Void, and nice!Louise has a Mean-ness measured in negative microEleanores, if we can determine the latter value we should be able to work out how many microEleanores of Mean the Gauntlet contains.

Hmm. Can Unicorns measure Mean-ness the same way they seem to be able to detect Evil?
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Sadly we'd need the number of microEleanores Louise measured as before she had the gauntlet to know for sure.
 
Selonianth said:
Sadly we'd need the number of microEleanores Louise measured as before she had the gauntlet to know for sure.
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Cattleya gave us that previously, if I remember correctly. 0.7 Eleanores.

EDIT: Wait, it was Madgalene.

EarthScorpion said:
"You do. She used to be even more of a hothead when she was a teenager," Magdalene informed her. "You're a lot like her. Well, apart from being pink-haired and not needing glasses. And being somewhat nicer. You're maybe at seven tenths of an Eleanore."
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Albert said:
Your choices are Destruction or Domination. And even elves don't deserve Domination.

Well, they probably don't.
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Considering that the only other option *they* gave you was murdering them to a man? I mean christ, the Tower-Heart *needed* to be fixed. Not only were they standing in the way of that, they were actively trying to kill you!
 
Selonianth said:
Wasn't that post-Gauntlet acquisition?
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Well, I don't think there was a substantial increase in the level of spite after Louise put on the Gauntlet, so we can assume that the Gauntlet's current level of Mean-ness is about the same a quarter of the World's Evil.

So. If were to stat out a quarter of the world's Evil, it would be >= 0.7 Eleanores of Mean, >= +1 Evil Magic Affinity, and < -4 to all other Magic Affinities, since Louise is able to perform square rank magic now that her power isn't suppressed.


...Really, it's not surprising that so many people think Eleanore has to be evil, given that the lowest possible estimate for all the world's Evil has it being only 2.8 times as Mean as Eleanore naturally is.
 
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Judging the casual fire sword summoning Eleanore demonstrated this update, the first damsel Louise the Pure will need to save in order to forge her heroic legend is Cattelya.

Montespan was her first vegetable.
 
Hilarious semi-serious idea. What happens if Cattelya decides to bond with Louise by making her a vampire? She would get a sister for un-life! One that wouldn't be so adamantly against a little bloodshed and "innocent" feeding.
 
How many times do you think Louise has seen her mother use her signature spell? Because I just have images of Louise using Heavy Wind (spell)and causing all the denizens of the Abyss to shit themselves at the thought of a second Heavy Wind (Rune Name) going through my head right now.
 
Selonianth said:
Considering that the only other option *they* gave you was murdering them to a man? I mean christ, the Tower-Heart *needed* to be fixed. Not only were they standing in the way of that, they were actively trying to kill you!
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Still Evil, without a Good choice.

And now Louise has access to her Heroic heritage unencumbered by being Void. Which I never got far enough to know was a possibility, because even Delusional Evil was too evil for my tastes. Like I said, I'm interested in hearing if it's possible to convert entirely to Hero and finish out the game that way.

Heck, with a high enough Karin Attention meter can you get her as a mentor?
 
Ok, wow. DIdn't see THAT coming.

Not sure if Louise will even go for the Gauntlet again. Mini-Karin is about as scary as the overlady and if she's being Mini-Karin than she can actually talk to her mom.
 
Aleph said:
no, looks like it's because she's a Void mage, and in the Overladyverse Void = Evil, and somehow Eleanore beating the crap out of her and taking the Gauntlet transferred the Void/Evil element to her - presumably because she was another valid potential candidate to be one of the four heirs of the Void all along, just as Louis's breeding program had intended.

(Catt was probably not a valid potential candidate to be one of the four heirs of the Void)

Literally spelled out in the narrative, plz upgrade reading comprehension thx.
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That's... really not the obvious reading of the text. I'm not sure if it's even a reasonable conclusion. I mean, I'm pretty sure you're a beta reader, so you're probably right unless ES is messing with you, but that's where anything really points.

I'm not aware of any points in canon or this fic, up till now, where a person can just lose a magical affinity by losing a fight. Similarly, what are the odds a target of constant bullying lost some fights when she was younger and didn't have control of massive amounts of evil magic? I'd say pretty high. I'd even wager she lost a few fights to Eleanor, probably practicing dueling or something. If she didn't lose her void affinity then, why would she lose it now?

At the same time, Eleanor was wearing a powerful Evil artifact that both acts as a focus and was actively influencing her. Louise, on the other hand, was being buffed by a Unicorn, a very powerful Good aligned being. It's a much more reasonable conclusion that those outside influences are responsible for warping there magic, not Louise losing a fight.

Again, you're almost definitely right, but the only reason I'm saying that is because I know you talk to ES, so maybe don't be so mean about other people not reaching the same conclusion?
 
Albert said:
Still Evil, without a Good choice.

And now Louise has access to her Heroic heritage unencumbered by being Void. Which I never got far enough to know was a possibility, because even Delusional Evil was too evil for my tastes. Like I said, I'm interested in hearing if it's possible to convert entirely to Hero and finish out the game that way.

Heck, with a high enough Karin Attention meter can you get her as a mentor?
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Honestly that would be *boring as fuck*.
 
Epsilon Rose said:
At the same time, Eleanor was wearing a powerful Evil artifact that both acts as a focus and was actively influencing her. Louise, on the other hand, was being buffed by a Unicorn, a very powerful Good aligned being. It's a much more reasonable conclusion that those outside influences are responsible for warping there magic, not Louise losing a fight.
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The unicorn pretty clearly had nothing to do with it. It's just there to show that Louise isn't Evil anymore, since we've seen how unicorns respond to Evil- by trying to kill it.

And yes, it seems to have been Eleanor's act of putting on the Gauntlet that transferred the Void magic from Louise to her, but my reading is that this was possible because the Gauntlet recognized her as a valid Void mage due to her bloodline and possibly because in defeating Louise she proved that she was a better candidate by whatever criteria it uses to choose its wielder.
 
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