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Overlady: Attack of the Minions (Thread II)

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Obfuscated said:
SB is not a hugbox.

Feedback and commentary comes from whom and where it may, in any shape, any form judged adequate to the task by it's sender.
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That doesn't make it a brothel, where authors are forced to endure the greasy touch of shitposters like yourself upon their personal threads without complaint.
 
And now that we all have the mental image of ES being pawed at by some bearded dockworker (possibly while wearing something lacy and racy) in our heads, can we move on?
 
Obfuscated said:
SB is not a hugbox.

Feedback and commentary comes from whom and where it may, in any shape, any form judged adequate to the task by it's sender.
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Obfuscated is not a person who uses their brain. At all.

You see, "hugbox" does not actually mean what you appear to think it does. I say "appear to think", because I'm being generous and assuming that you're thinking at all, rather than reflexively retreating to a thing which is used by better people than you when they provide actually useful criticism in a thread.

And yes, actually, I am quite aware that this thread does have a lack of criticism and constructive advice. However, considering that one of the people the lack of criticism is coming from is havocfett [1] and several other people who will descend on poorly done fics and provide useful advice in a caustic manner, this is a different kind of hugbox to the standard den of dribbling HFYers. I actually do, unlike most people who claim to welcome criticism, welcome it - the criticism that ANE and AEE got from Ford Prefect is some of the most useful posts in any of my threads.

Compared to him, your useless, idiotic remarks are worse than muck under my shoe. And trying to abuse the "SB is not a hugbox" position to spread your worthless attempts to try to look good (and fail) is much to that position as the hoverfly is to the wasp.

So, sure, if people want to tell me that the first arc of Overlady is slow and somewhat uncertain of where it's going, feel free. It's not like I don't know it already. If you want to say - as several people have on IRC - that the minions aren't as funny in all-minion scenes and that they work best when they have humans to play off against, then that's valid criticism and something I'm bearing in mind. If you want to say that I make too many dick jokes, then, sir, I find your words crass and offensive, but I will gird my loins and fight long and hard for you to emit forth such noxious emissions.

However, if you want to throw in your worthless ideas in the manner you do, Obfuscated, however, you can damn well take them to BROB or Games and Gaming, start a "develop a game by talking about the spoilers" thread, and get the hell out of the Overlady thread.

[1] Said by some to be the end times of a thread, descending from the clouds wreathed in flame and mockery of dull prose.
 
Honestly, I found some of the Minion Only scenes to be bits of the funniest part of this story. (They're also funny with other people, yes, but overall they're just funny)
 
I've liked some of the minion-only scenes, but the one in the latest chapter did nothing for me, I admit.
 
Academic Guardian said:
Question to ES!

Hi there, recently caught up to Overlady and I can say it is one of the best fanfictions I have read! Thanks for writing this :D

I have questions though about vampires, regarding Karin. Mostly given that in the ZnT verse as noted in the side story about her youth, Karin is friends with two vampires herself when she was younger and is implied to be good friends and is in contact with them. Well, my question is that, if you plan to include them, why didn't they take a hand in helping raise Cattleya? Or were they the ones who offered and gave her tips on raising Cat?

I mean they are pretty old vampires by ZnT standards (not too familiar with Overlord...can't find a copy...) and they started out as humans as well. Disregard if you don't plan to include them though...
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Stuff happened in the past which resembled the Karin Side Stories.

Well, ish.

If you squint. And assume the canon stories are basically pulp novels of the in-universe Overlady events with only limited similarity to the "real" events. Hence why, for example, the pictures of Karin's disguise disguise nothing at all; impressionable sorts might get the wrong kind of ideas if they see a woman obviously dressed as a man and able to pass as male.

As a result, while there were certainly two trying-to-be-Good-(and-brooding-about-it) vampires involved in the whole conspiracy of the Prime Minister, the actual sequence of events is more of a mystery.

(This is basically me saying "I reserve the right to take the sequence of events and the characters involved therein, and do to them what I have done to... oh, say, Jessica. Or Cattleya. Or Tabitha".)
 
EarthScorpion said:
Stuff happened in the past which resembled the Karin Side Stories.

Well, ish.

If you squint. And assume the canon stories are basically pulp novels of the in-universe Overlady events with only limited similarity to the "real" events. Hence why, for example, the pictures of Karin's disguise disguise nothing at all; impressionable sorts might get the wrong kind of ideas if they see a woman obviously dressed as a man and able to pass as male.

As a result, while there were certainly two trying-to-be-Good-(and-brooding-about-it) vampires involved in the whole conspiracy of the Prime Minister, the actual sequence of events is more of a mystery.

(This is basically me saying "I reserve the right to take the sequence of events and the characters involved therein, and do to them what I have done to... oh, say, Jessica. Or Cattleya. Or Tabitha".)
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I'm guessing that the only significant difference between Karin's clothing in those and her real outfit is that she was wearing actual pants instead of ultrashorts? And maybe a bit more lace?

And that she had shorter hair, because long hair is a liability in combat (and not the most pleasant of things when you may be unable to wash it for extended periods).
 
TheSandman said:
I'm guessing that the only significant difference between Karin's clothing in those and her real outfit is that she was wearing actual pants instead of ultrashorts? And maybe a bit more lace?
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Yes, but still noble short pants, of course, so that proper manly tights could be shown.
TheSandman said:
And that she had shorter hair, because long hair is a liability in combat (and not the most pleasant of things when you may be unable to wash it for extended periods).
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Perhaps, but the disguise function must also be considered and might overrule combat pragmatism on this one. Properly long manly locks go a long way of making you look more masculine.
 
Iron Roby said:
Yes, but still noble short pants, of course, so that proper manly tights could be shown.
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Were breeches and stockings in fashion at the corresponding time in real-world history? I tend to associate that more with the 1700s, probably thanks to Colonial Williamsburg.
Perhaps, but the disguise function must also be considered and might overrule combat pragmatism on this one. Properly long manly locks go a long way of making you look more masculine.
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Given who Karin was and is, I'm not sure whether "overruling combat pragmatism" is something she could do.

Also, given how straight her hair appears to be naturally, she'd had to have been curling it for the proper effect, and that would add an unacceptable degree of hassle and extra stuff to carry while on missions.
Academic Guardian said:
Hm considering the time period (unless I am mistaken as I am not very good at history) that Halk is early modern or in or just before Renaissance then long locks on a dude can be considered quite manly
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Academic Guardian said:
that Halk is early modern or in or just before Renaissance
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What part of the setting could possibly give an impression that it could be before Renaissance? It's early modern/end of Renaissance, the Three Musketeers period. Louise de La Vallière, the historical mistress of Louis XIV, sort of gives it away, along with clothing (outside of school uniforms and underwear, fanservice > history) and general tech level.
TheSandman said:
Given who Karin was and is, I'm not sure whether "overruling combat pragmatism" is something she could do.
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Ah, but the most important part is fulfilling the objective, combat is just a part of reaching that goal and so is having to maintain the proper disguise of manhood, there's only so far one sub-objective can be allowed to compromise the other. It's basic strategy a soldier like her should know very well.
Also, given how straight her hair appears to be naturally, she'd had to have been curling it for the proper effect, and that would add an unacceptable degree of hassle and extra stuff to carry while on missions.
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Yet somehow her male colleagues manage. Yes, it might be difficult for a woman to understand the need for all the intricate complexities of male fashion, I mean all the heavy makeup, confusing color combinations and different types of combs alone, but if you can't learn how and make time, effort and space for it, then you have no place trying to pretend to be one of your fellow male officers and expect to get away with it.
 
Karin strikes me as the type to get fake locks of hair, rigged to come loose if anyone pulls on them hard enough to actually restrict her movement. Hell, if she could, she'd get an enchanted hairband or something that makes them act like razor wire for anyone else trying to grab them.
 
pheonix89 said:
Karin strikes me as the type to get fake locks of hair, rigged to come loose if anyone pulls on them hard enough to actually restrict her movement. Hell, if she could, she'd get an enchanted hairband or something that makes them act like razor wire for anyone else trying to grab them.
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That sounds almost good enough to be one of EarthScorpion's True Karin Facts.

I wonder, is there some kind of abyssal Hero Factbook which collects and publishes such things?
 
Obviously, her hair is prehensile. She uses it to wield her 5 backup wands.

Braid blade hax.
 
Guile said:
Obviously, her hair is prehensile. She uses it to wield her 5 backup wands.

Braid blade hax.
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Anne-Marie Emilie de la Vallière - Louise's great great grandmother - did indeed have long, luxurious locks of sable hair which through various unholy rituals she was able to move as if they were limbs. She used to thread poisoned needles into them, and had a track record of seducing, strangling and sacrificing unwary male Heroes, usually in that approximate order. And also stealing all their possessions thereafter, though she tended to argue that it wasn't as if they had any further use for them.

She was killed when a distant cousin-by-marriage of Guiche's great great great-uncle put poison in the mix of virgin's blood, children's tears and rare oils from the Mystic East that she used as shampoo.
 
Aleph said:
Anne-Marie Emilie de la Vallière - Louise's great great grandmother - did indeed have long, luxurious locks of sable hair which through various unholy rituals she was able to move as if they were limbs. She used to thread poisoned needles into them, and had a track record of seducing, strangling and sacrificing unwary male Heroes, usually in that approximate order. And also stealing all their possessions thereafter, though she tended to argue that it wasn't as if they had any further use for them.
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... 'usually'.

I'm not sure I want to contemplate any time she might have done that out of order (though if she did the sacrificing first, I wouldn't think there'd be much point in the other two... usually).
 
She strangled them unconscious, and then sacrificed them.

Or sometimes sacrificed them by strangling them.

Or just drugged or poisoned them with one of the great many specially-coated needles woven into her hair.

Her husband-to-be had a special talisman that rendered him immune to most poisons and was wearing a steel collar when they met, so it was a match made in, uh...

... well, probably not heaven, but the Bloody Duke was rather happy to have her in the family, even if she was originally a low-blooded street rat. Her talents, he felt, more than made up for her lack of nobility.

No, not those talents. If Louise knew who she was, she'd probably be blaming the woman for her height (or lack thereof) and figure (or... uh, even bigger lack thereof).

Plus, you know, the whole "sinful murderess" thing.

And I doubt she'd be too happy about the "street rat" bit, either.

Louise: ""My great great grandfather married a street rat?"
Louise: "... was she at least a mage street-rat?"

(Yes, she was. A low-born Earth mage with a penchant for alchemy and transmuting locks. She also invented a revolutionary new way of "transmuting" gold. Specifically, she "transmuted" it from people who had it to people who didn't. Where "people who didn't" was defined as "her".)
 
Aleph said:
She also invented a revolutionary new way of "transmuting" gold. Specifically, she "transmuted" it from people who had it to people who didn't. Where "people who didn't" was defined as "her".)
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What kind of society is Halkeginia when it's only been 4 generations since the act of larceny is invented?
 
arsdraconis said:
What kind of society is Halkeginia when it's only been 4 generations since the act of larceny is invented?
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No, no. There was already larceny.

She was just fond of bragging that she could transmute gold, and then faking it via larceny and sleight of hand.

And also murder, when people saw through the "sleight of hand" bit.
 
Aleph said:
No, no. There was already larceny.

She was just fond of bragging that she could transmute gold, and then faking it via larceny and sleight of hand.

And also murder, when people saw through the "sleight of hand" bit.
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I guess because on account of her glorious mane of hair, she wore no hat so wouldn't be to worried about loosing it when the castle catches on fire.
 
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