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Overlady: Attack of the Minions (Thread II)

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MinorGryph said:
OTOH, Henrietta's death could be the final push that makes Louise drop the delusions and fully commit to an Evil career. Henrietta is both her moral justification and her get-out-of-Evil-free card.
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But on the other other hand, if Henrietta dies, Louise can't take that romance path. Plus Catt has just noted that Louise is getting more and more mean, and Louise did very recently describe Evil as feeling enjoyable and Good not feeling enjoyable.
Alane1 said:
I am not sure how Louise even qualifies as deluded evil, if she got any more classical evil in the way she's acting she's be pulling final boss previews, playing the pipe organ and playing cards, golfing or politely dining with the heroes before leaving them alone in slowly operating deathtraps.

Seriously she's been pulling classic Zelda, Bond and classic final fantasy boss behavior though at least she hasn't done any snidely whiplash or Hooded Claw Behavior.
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I wouldn't say she's too much into the classic Evil stuff. Her bloodline has been breeding out those particular sorts of Evil maluses and her biggest slip up was with Marzipan. I say that she's on the edge between Delusional Evil and Pragmatic Evil, and it'll take an event for Louise to switch alignments as it's probably the sort of system that caps out the alignment points so you can't fully change alignments without going through a quest that unlocks the bar so you can fill it completely.
 
Alane1 said:
I am not sure how Louise even qualifies as deluded evil, if she got any more classical evil in the way she's acting she's be pulling final boss previews, playing the pipe organ and playing cards, golfing or politely dining with the heroes before leaving them alone in slowly operating deathtraps.
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She still insists all her actions are justified and secretly Good in some way. And all her actions as Overlady are done with the intent of dropping the title to return to Good society.

xeivous said:
But on the other other hand, if Henrietta dies, Louise can't take that romance path. Plus Catt has just noted that Louise is getting more and more mean, and Louise did very recently describe Evil as feeling enjoyable and Good not feeling enjoyable.
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Henrietta's path was already locked out due to Wales filling her True Love slot. Figuratively, of course. To suggest otherwise would be improper!
 
xeivous said:
But on the other other hand, if Henrietta dies, Louise can't take that romance path. Plus Catt has just noted that Louise is getting more and more mean, and Louise did very recently describe Evil as feeling enjoyable and Good not feeling enjoyable.

I wouldn't say she's too much into the classic Evil stuff. Her bloodline has been breeding out those particular sorts of Evil maluses and her biggest slip up was with Marzipan. I say that she's on the edge between Delusional Evil and Pragmatic Evil, and it'll take an event for Louise to switch alignments as it's probably the sort of system that caps out the alignment points so you can't fully change alignments without going through a quest that unlocks the bar so you can fill it completely.
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She lives in a tower of evil, she plots while stroking a cat, she kidnapped a princess, she creates elaborate revenge schemes, she is gathering a evil army and is trying to breed a new and twisted form of life to do her evil bidding...
 
Selonianth said:
All while wholeheartedly thinking she's doing it secretly for Good. She's Delusional Evil.
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Sauron admittedly also thought what he was doing was for the best bringing order to the chaos and destruction left by the War of wraith but I don't think anyone would claim he was delusional evil.

Even if she falls out of the 'delusinal evil' view she comes across as classical evil to me(before it was comedicized and flanderized).
 
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Alane1 said:
Sauron admittedly also thought what he was doing was for the best bringing order to the chaos and destruction left by the War of wraith but I don't think anyone would claim he was delusional evil.
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He didn't think he was doing it for Good though. He was well aware doing it was Evil. He had been corrupted by Morgoth afterall.
 
MinorGryph said:
Oh fuck, Henrietta's going to get herself killed. Is Jessica in on this plan? It doesn't sound like Henrietta's being subtle about the necromancy now that Louise is out of the Tower.

OTOH, Henrietta's death could be the final push that makes Louise drop the delusions and fully commit to an Evil career. Henrietta is both her moral justification and her get-out-of-Evil-free card.
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Now, I'd wouldn't be surprised if Henrietta's plan goes off reasonably well. Provided she just wants to steal back her prince's body so she can bring him back to life. She might even meet up with the dark queen of the dark elves and bond over their hatred of Albionese rebels. Now, if she wants to kill everyone on the floating rock, then she's probably going to get herself killed. But that hasn't been what she's been obsessing about recently.
 
MinorGryph said:
Henrietta's path was already locked out due to Wales filling her True Love slot. Figuratively, of course. To suggest otherwise would be improper!
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Henrietta's wording was rather specific about not being able to love another MAN again. Plus I'm not sure if True Love is a thing for Evil, or if people can have multiple True Loves or get different ones if they swap alignment, as I'm fairly certain that some schools of thought consider people who have swapped alignments to not be the same people they were before. Unless it's the sad kind of alignment swap that is unwilling.
 
mr_stibbons said:
Now, I'd wouldn't be surprised if Henrietta's plan goes off reasonably well. Provided she just wants to steal back her prince's body so she can bring him back to life. She might even meet up with the dark queen of the dark elves and bond over their hatred of Albionese rebels. Now, if she wants to kill everyone on the floating rock, then she's probably going to get herself killed. But that hasn't been what she's been obsessing about recently.
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Her plan seems unwise to me. The foundation of it involves drawing attention from the Council to secure transport, she's going to rely on undead for muscle despite her questionable control over them, and most importantly she has no real combat experience. Girl is going to get ganked in a serious conflict, if the dead don't eat her first.

Especially since she doesn't have the support Louise had starting out- in fact is planning to abandon any support the Overlady could have offered by sneaking out with her own ship- and is starting by challenging much stronger opponents. Louise had the best minions available and a straight up boost as the Evil Chosen One, and still had to be revived by blues due to lethal screw-ups in her early days.

Also again, Reconquista are in possession of the corpse. Even if Gallia isn't bankrolling them like in canon, I'm sure the Albion Royals had a stash of evil artifacts which now in the hands of the rebels. There's a fair chance that Henrietta's been beaten to the punch in reanimating Wales.
 
I don't think Henrietta's plan for the zombies involves boarding the windship herself, unless I'm badly misunderstanding the "make it crash" part.
 
MinorGryph said:
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Well, in Henrietta's favour she does have an Evil Pedigree that is comparable to Louise, it could be her natural blood inclination to start striking out on her own. I mean look at her ancestors, most of them were contemporaries to the Valliere Villains and they still managed to be Royalty and hang on to it, probably even before the Valieres ever became royalists. There must be something there that has to give them the special push that has them ruling Tristania for generations, have their seat of power right above an access to the abyss and all those lovely, lovely relics.

Then the whole comment on the power comparison between Vallieres and the Royal family, Devastation vs Necromancy. So yeah, Henrietta is lower level but she does have some natural bonuses that could make up for that, not to the level of Louise's Evil Chosen One bonus but still notable enough.
 
I mean in the sense that there seems to be two families with multiple generations of evil in the same territory, traditionally something like that would end up with either one completetly displacing the other.

A Rule of Two arrangement keeps both families sharp and keeps their larger neighbours in line by having to deal with two Evil Villains with different strengths and keeping any would be rising Villains from ever deposing them by having each other as backup. Grudging alliance turned into symbiotic villainy.

(Also the Sith do grow in strength, what do you call the Jedi Purge and the Empire?)
EDIT: The entire arrangement was probably thrown out of whack with Karin purging the evil of the Valliere family once she got married and by the lack of any significant Evil Tristanian Royal, bad (good?) timing for evil.
 
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Aleph said:
... actually, I'm vaguely interested: how did you get past the prayer wheel on the first sublevel? Did you just skip that bit, or did snuffing the Good oath shut it down? I played a minion/melee build and just killed them until they stayed dead with the soul-eating power.
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I set them on fire and burned them to ash. Duh.

Oh wait, you didn't take the upgrade to let you burn enemies to ash and the one which stops most of them healing from burns (unless they have high level healing effects that can overcome it). Gosh. Looks like there's a reason for taking all those Magic upgrades.
 
Well there is still one thing that helps Henrietta's plan, the simple fact that Albion had a war recently which means a lot of graves for the dead soldiers and more than a few mass graves to exploit. So depending on if anyone bother to strip all the corpses of weapons and armor she does have a few good options for resources.
 
Sinsystems said:
Well there is still one thing that helps Henrietta's plan, the simple fact that Albion had a war recently which means a lot of graves for the dead soldiers and more than a few mass graves to exploit. So depending on if anyone bother to strip all the corpses of weapons and armor she does have a few good options for resources.
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Something that's always bothered me about Albion is how they don't seem to have problems with sinkholes, it's a floating island that was lifted into the sky and it floats over sea and land through storms and all sorts of weather, I'd think that after such a long time up there they'd start having some issues with large scale erosion, I mean you can't effectively Earth Magic proof it's entire underside, maybe the borders, but the bottom?

Relating to the graves issue, would they bury their dead? I mean after a while wouldn't it be more effective to have bodies burnt, considering the act of emptying out graveyards is a fairly recent practice, else you could have an entire graveyard just fall out of the sky.

On that note, a necromancer could try stealing an entire graveyards worth of corpses just by putting an airship under the right piece of land and digging. Or causing large scale destruction by overmining the windstones. Frankly with all this evil I'm surprised it's still up there, and in one piece.
 
Revlid said:
I don't think Henrietta's plan for the zombies involves boarding the windship herself, unless I'm badly misunderstanding the "make it crash" part.
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Olive said:
She's crashing this windship, with no survivors.
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I thought she was crashing the ship so she could steal it and get herself + zombie horde to Albion while Louise was out with the other windship.

Henrietta has demonstrated zero ability for long-range control over her undead. She rode out to the graveyard instead of raising the skeletons from the Tower, and she doesn't have reliable control of zombies when they're standing two feet in front of her.

If she had long-range control she could just have her zombies kill everyone and continue sailing. Crashing would serve no purpose but to draw attention from the Council.

Besides which the necromancy ritual for reviving Wales is something she has to be there in person for.
mayordomoGoliat said:
Well, in Henrietta's favour she does have an Evil Pedigree that is comparable to Louise, it could be her natural blood inclination to start striking out on her own. I mean look at her ancestors, most of them were contemporaries to the Valliere Villains and they still managed to be Royalty and hang on to it, probably even before the Valieres ever became royalists. There must be something there that has to give them the special push that has them ruling Tristania for generations, have their seat of power right above an access to the abyss and all those lovely, lovely relics.

Then the whole comment on the power comparison between Vallieres and the Royal family, Devastation vs Necromancy. So yeah, Henrietta is lower level but she does have some natural bonuses that could make up for that, not to the level of Louise's Evil Chosen One bonus but still notable enough.
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My point was that with all the starting advantages Louise had, due to lack of experience she still screwed up enough to need multiple rezzes by blues. Henrietta is starting by tackling a harder target with less support and a haphazard plan. This does not bode well for her survival.
 
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