I think everyone on this thread is missing the point. Nanoha has taken an interest in Taylor. The white devil picks up friends and students by blasting them with doom lasers. She, if this story follows conventional Nanoha or worm logic, will eventually start teaching Taylor. I repeat, the White Devil will likes be teaching the Queen of Escalation how to escalate even more, with orbital bombardment/ friendship canons...EVERYONE OUT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
*is seen zooming to the nearest escape wormhole*
They'll never take me alive!!

U know, I just realized something. It's actually implied in univers that that lesbians are fairly common in Nanoha verse. That must mean that if Nanoha and fate want biological children of their own, magic and a Mid-childan hospital will make it possible for Nanoha to become pregnant with her wife's child....

I'm really only speculating here so I could be completely wrong
 
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Well, it's not like we're that far from cracking parthenogenesis ourselves, though any such children would be AFAB (assuming cis-cis couples).
 
TSAB is also incredibly permissive in what they will let people get away with, Taylor probably would just get a talking to for leaving the local drunk tank without permission but nothing much else. Possible some mandatory counseling of some sort.
She might also get a rather stern talking to about beating up muggers rather than calling for the local police.
 
I think everyone on this thread is missing the point. Nanoha has taken an interest in Taylor. The white devil picks up friends and students by blasting them with doom lasers. She, if this story follows conventional Nanoha or worm logic, will eventually start teaching Taylor. I repeat, the White Devil will likes be teaching the Queen of Escalation how to escalate even more, with orbital bombardment/ friendship canons...EVERYONE OUT OF THE UNIVERSE!!!
*is seen zooming to the nearest escape wormhole*
They'll never take me alive!!

U know, I just realized something. It's actually implied in univers that that lesbians are fairly common in Nanoha verse. That must mean that if Nanoha and fate want biological children of their own, magic and a Mid-childan hospital will make it possible for Nanoha to become pregnant with her wife's child....

I'm really only speculating here so I could be completely wrong
Could you please not double post?
Just edit the first one.
 
Barring any critical communication failures it's likely they wouldn't even actually arrest her for this; at worst, it'd be a Nove/Einhart early-Vivid deal unless Taylor went full String Theory and tried to take the Earth hostage by threatening to blow up the moon or something.
Could she do that? Blow up the moon, I mean. People have been jumping to the conclusion that Mariposa is a planet-buster based on her being a siege-type device. But that doesn't add up. A siege, as I understand it, is when you surround a fortified position of the enemy and submit it to bombardment and assault until they surrender. Nuking the whole place to the ground doesn't sound like a siege to me. Neither does glassing the whole planet.
 
Please, she's not being a vigilante, she's just a concerned citizen is all, besides anybody who tries to mug random people in TSAB space has it coming when they hit somebody stronger and/or better than them with magic.

She simply want to protect the muggers from retired badasses they try to rob. I am sure she simply care for the muggers.
 
I more wondering just what a 'seige' type Unison Device can do. I mean, on one hand it can easily mean being like Hayate and being a bombardment type for blowing up stuff. And/or it could be for breaking, setting up or silently slipping through Dimensional barriers; like going through dimensional barriers that they use to seal you in or out of an area.
 
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Long duration sustained high power bombardment I'd guess. I'd assume that Mariposa is geared towards just wearing down the enemy's defenses over time rather than just cracking them in one go although that is certainly a possibility.
The first would mean a focus on endurance and power, the second an extreme focus on just power and power alone.
 
She might also get a rather stern talking to about beating up muggers rather than calling for the local police.
It'd probably be beating up muggers without calling the police before, during or after said beating.
Probably ignored outright, unless Taylor keeps doing it after being told to knock it off and offered support by either individuals or TSAB as-a-group.

Please, she's not being a vigilante, she's just a concerned citizen is all, besides anybody who tries to mug random people in TSAB space has it coming when they hit somebody stronger and/or better than them with magic.
If the local drunk tank (aka jail cell) came across as a daycare room, Taylor is going to be tripping so hard over TSAB culture of permissiveness, support and forgiveness.
 
I wouldn't say the difference is quite that stark. Remember, the TSAB have the Arc En Ciel, which seems to be a standard for ships above a certain class, or that are expecting to face exceptionally dire circumstances. The fact they can install it whenever implies they fully understand it, meaning it isn't a Lost Logia and thus, is not something Ancient Belka had.

In spite of it's seemingly endless love for impossibly destructive super weapons.
They can build those, yes, but why do you think Belka couldn't? The only example we have of a Belkan warship is the saint's cradle, which was assumed able to stand off the entire TSAB fleet at once if it could get into position. They were only able to destroy it after Vita first destroyed its primary reactor from the inside.

But you're right, it's not a complete collapse. They've got the Library, and that has at least textbooks for probably just about everything -- if you can find them. The issue is the lack of living engineers.

See, modern civilization is highly interconnected. It's impossible for any country to stand on its own; the minimum population just to support all the specialties our technology requires just to maintain that technology, is probably a hundred million or more. Some companies do really esoteric work. For example, there's only one company on the planet -- a small Japanese one -- that is capable of forging the containment vessels for nuclear reactors.

Pre-unification war Belkan civilization would have been even larger, more advanced, and more vulnerable.

What happens to a civilization like that if you start ripping out parts of it? ... Well, it collapses. The war alone was catastrophic enough to do that; they lost probably fifty percent of their population, if not more.

After that sort of event, you can't just pick up the pieces and move on. If you don't have external support -- and they don't, the war involved every human nation in existence -- then you won't be able to maintain your technology and infrastructure.

What parts of it weren't destroyed by combat, will gradually run down and eventually fail because the people who know how to maintain it, and who know how to deal with that off peculiarity in manifold C and that the textbooks don't quite match the reactor design after a few too many patches... are dead.

To build new tools, first you need to rebuild your economy and put conditions in place for new, highly specialized groupings to form. But you'll be doing that while your existing infrastructure rapidly decays out from underneath you. So what do you do? You've got to do something.

Well, you look at your textbooks, and find simpler ideas. Older tools that might not be quite as good, but which are easier to learn about and which can be built by generalists. That's necessary; your economy is still fucked six ways to Sunday, and long supply chains would be a terrible idea.

Hence, you're returning to older technology.

This isn't a permanent condition. You've got the textbooks, and although many of the people who want to learn them will have to do so without the benefit of any tutoring, some are smart enough to do so. It is, however, something that might well take over a century to recover from. Multiple centuries, to fully restore the old world and replace all those lower-tech patches.

Mariposa showed up about seventy years after the TSAB was formed. Sixty years after the final aftershocks of the war, and she's looking at the first generation that considers their current state normal. She is one of those lost pieces of technology.
 
I wouldn't say the difference is quite that stark. Remember, the TSAB have the Arc En Ciel, which seems to be a standard for ships above a certain class, or that are expecting to face exceptionally dire circumstances. The fact they can install it whenever implies they fully understand it, meaning it isn't a Lost Logia and thus, is not something Ancient Belka had.

In spite of it's seemingly endless love for impossibly destructive super weapons.
Bit less that they couldn't make it and more that The TSAB being able to make it making it not a Lost Logia. The key word is LOST.
 
Is the teleporting a specialization of Mariposas or just Taylor?
I was thinking that "Sieging" might involve blockading a planet by posting a few teleporting interceptor mages in orbit, so they would really only need the firepower to stop any ships capable of breaking atmo.
 
Is the teleporting a specialization of Mariposas or just Taylor?
I was thinking that "Sieging" might involve blockading a planet by posting a few teleporting interceptor mages in orbit, so they would really only need the firepower to stop any ships capable of breaking atmo.

Taylor's naturally inclined towards teleporting and flight. Is it any wonder that a girl who was trapped in a long-term abusive situation took a shine to the fields of magic most closely aligned with running away?

Note that, as in previous posts, this doesn't really mean anything. Some people are just naturally better at art, or just really love coding in PHP for some reason. (We call these people, 'crazy.')
 
If the local drunk tank (aka jail cell) came across as a daycare room, Taylor is going to be tripping so hard over TSAB culture of permissiveness, support and forgiveness.
It wasn't the drunk tank, it was the juvenile holding area. I doubt even a TSAB-spec drunk tank would have books and children's toys.
 
Note that, as in previous posts, this doesn't really mean anything. Some people are just naturally better at art, or just really love coding in PHP for some reason. (We call these people, 'crazy.')
Should I be worried about using C as my programing language of choice due to its relation to PHP along with my (bad) tendancy to spam malloc()?:V

More seriously, on the topic of lost logia, some of them are deemed safe by the TSAB as shown in the episode of StrikerS where we see lost logia getting auctioned off.
 
The difference between rare skills and Rare Skills
As previously mentioned, magic is a collection of mature sciences in the universe of this story; barring certain glaring exceptions (Fabia Crozelg's True Witchcraft, etc) most magic is taught and learned and mastered in the same way that the people reading this informational can go out and develop their skills in fields such as martial arts, electrical engineering, or computer programming. Certain people, whether due to genetics, upbringing, sheer determination, or any other factor, may find themselves more or less inclined to one such field - advancement will be faster for them, the ceiling is higher, people describe them with words like 'genius' and 'prodigal,' etc.

The words 'rare skill,' then, have a double meaning throughout the TSAB space. The first meaning is exactly what it is on modern-day Earth, a supremely high level of mastery over something, possibly backed by natural talent, possibly in a field known to be high performance or difficult to penetrate. Flight is a rare skill, whether it's self-propelled or Device-driven flight in the TSAB or piloting real-world military aircraft in the USAF. In 90% of cases, people referring to rare skills mean that kind of connotation; that Chris Sharma could probably climb a wall wearing the boxes they ship his shoes in doesn't imply a specific supernatural ability, merely a rare skill for the art of climbing.

The remaining 10% are Rare Skills (capitals for emphasis), the kind of thing that immediately brings to mind a superpower. If you're coming to this story exclusively from the Worm side, these would be the closest analogs to a parahuman ability; unless I've glossed over it, being a 'True Witch' hasn't been confirmed in canon to be a Rare Skill, but thanks to authorial fiat I've declared that it is such here. Known Rare Skills have been inherited from Lost Logia (the Tome of the Night Sky's Use of Collection ability that the Book of Darkness bequeathed to each of its previous hosts and that has been fully inherited by Hayate Yagami, its current mistress), passed down through family lineages likely dating back to some or another Warring States eugenics project that developed them (the families of Summoners like the Alpines and Caro Ru Lushe's tribe), or developed through other circumstances that are never explicitly described (Thought Investigation, Carim's prophecies, etc.)

Rare Skills can't be taught, but the usage of a Rare Skill can be (especially from one person who possesses the skill to another - see Summoner lineages); and some Rare Skills such as the aforementioned Use of Collection are passive and therefore don't even need to be really taught, or else their usage is instinctual and bound up in the Lost Logia that granted them. Calling the Entities Lost Logia may or may not be accurate, but were the TSAB to actually arrive on Earth Bet and observe parahumans, they would at least declare that parahumanity is just 'people with access to a Lost Logia-driven Rare Skill.'

Possession of a Rare Skill isn't mutually exclusive with access to general magic or even to other Rare Skills - Verossa Acous has two Rare Skills plus above-average command of Ancient Belkan magic, 'True Witch' is Fabia Crozelg's style of magical combat but nothing other than preference is stopping her from learning things outside the scope of her unique power. Had Taylor actually Triggered (she didn't), and assuming that she or Mariposa then had somehow managed to hijack QA and bring it/her along for the ride (they didn't), she'd have Use of Administration as a Rare Skill (she doesn't) and through it be able to wield whatever parahuman ability would've resulted (it presumably would've been her canon bug control) in addition to her current abilities.
 
Had Taylor actually Triggered (she didn't), and assuming that she or Mariposa then had somehow managed to hijack QA and bring it/her along for the ride (they didn't), she'd have Use of Administration as a Rare Skill (she doesn't) and through it be able to wield whatever parahuman ability would've resulted (it presumably would've been her canon bug control) in addition to her current abilities.
A little sadface, would have been interesting to see how everyone dealt with the issues that came with that particular skill set, both in the inability to turn it off and the personality issues it brings along.
 
Personally for me its good that Taylor doesn't have bug control or QA in any form. While it nice to have more power but if she does have parahuman powers but then it would've taken time and effort away from her developing her magic.
 
Personally for me its good that Taylor doesn't have bug control or QA in any form. While it nice to have more power but if she does have parahuman powers but then it would've taken time and effort away from her developing her magic.
It is also nice that she does not have a shard pushing her to pick fights with others.
 
A little sadface, would have been interesting to see how everyone dealt with the issues that came with that particular skill set, both in the inability to turn it off and the personality issues it brings along.
I wouldn't wish parahuman powers on anyone. They're only marginally less destructive to their own wielders as Puella Magi powers are, and that's saying something. Why do you want her to suffer so much? :sad:

Rare Skills can't be taught, but the usage of a Rare Skill can be (especially from one person who possesses the skill to another - see Summoner lineages); and some Rare Skills such as the aforementioned Use of Collection are passive and therefore don't even need to be really taught, or else their usage is instinctual and bound up in the Lost Logia that granted them. Calling the Entities Lost Logia may or may not be accurate, but were the TSAB to actually arrive on Earth Bet and observe parahumans, they would at least declare that parahumanity is just 'people with access to a Lost Logia-driven Rare Skill.'
Is it still a "Lost" Logia if the family that maintains and uses it knew where it was the whole time? :V

(I assume Victoria's and especially Sieglinde's special talents also fall under Rare Skills.)
 
It is also nice that she does not have a shard pushing her to pick fights with others.
I wouldn't wish parahuman powers on anyone. They're only marginally less destructive to their own wielders as Puella Magi powers are, and that's saying something. Why do you want her to suffer so much? :sad:
The conflict drive is pretty overblown, though. We saw at the end if Worm that there were plenty of parahumans that could live perfectly normal, non-cape lives.

The big thing the Shards do to encourage power use is 1- specifically pick people who are likely to use their powers, and 2- traumatize those people as a precondition to actually getting powers.

It's a very simple, effective formula.
 
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