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KnightDisciple said:
People who aren't sick psychopaths?

I feel like "don't eat people!" is a damn low bar for most socities?
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For those Saiyans who outright abandoned the Fleet, it's possible that they eat people.

I also didn't quite realize that's what was meant and just thought it was meant that they were evil.

So, lemme further clarify. Saiyans typically do not eat people. My apologies, yesterday was... Stressful.
 
KnightDisciple said:
People who aren't sick psychopaths?

I feel like "don't eat people!" is a damn low bar for most socities?
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Most societies don't have to regularly deal with mass murder. Even if the Saiyans have largely learned how to make nice, not all alien species will want to, meaning the annihilation of an entire planet is not an unusual event. Saiyans send their young out into the unknown universe on the regular, and they are expected to be able to deal with whatever they find.

What's more, eating people ain't that bad compared to what other races out there probably do. Most species would rather have a few members eaten than everyone blown up for fun.

Also, there is the question "what makes someone a person"? Does every talking dinosaur count as a person? Animals are pretty dang smart in Dragon Ball. This is before considering simple racism, thoughts that people who aren't part of the fleet aren't really people. And differing cultural backgrounds, since the reason behind the "Don't Eat People" Taboo doesn't really apply to them
 
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LightningShow said:
For those Saiyans who outright abandoned the Fleet, it's possible that they eat people.

I also didn't quite realize that's what was meant and just thought it was meant that they were evil.

So, lemme further clarify. Saiyans typically do not eat people. My apologies, yesterday was... Stressful.
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What about our cruel sadistic father? If he doesn't really care about randos, why would he not snack on the occasional flavorful alien? Political concerns probably wouldn't stop him, considering he's The King and can pretty easily dissapear some nobody on some backwater planet whenever he wants.
 
Taka said:
Just threw up a little something. Was gunning for that third spot on Team Rite of Passage, but who knows. Also, potential Rival for our dear ol' Princess.

You remembered his grin. That damnable grin that promised nothing but the truth. A vow. An oath. Something more primal than even a Saiyan's Pride. You remembered how he scratched your head, and how he loved to mess with your hair. You remembered what it felt like to have his stupid fuzzy beard itch against your cheeks, and how he laughed every time you whined. You remembered crying that he not go. That you and mom needed him to stay. Because that's what family was. People who stayed together. You remember him giving you that grin.

"I'll come back, squirt. That's a promise of a life time!" And you believed him. You believed in your father! In the strongest Saiyan Warrior! Maybe, you told yourself. Maybe it was fine. Maybe it was alright to let go. And so you did. Course, you remembered all the snot and the tears and the days mom had to drag you from your room.

But had you known what would happen, you would have never let go.

You remembered your mother. Your strong, incorrigible mother. Brought down to her knees with nothing but a medal and a scouter that looked all too familiar. You remembered how she brought down the fury of a thousand Saiyans upon the stranger who gave her such tidings.

You remembered how your home stopped being a home. Of how it became a house. You remembered how warm dinners turned to quiet affairs, and how empty the halls could be. You remembered how tears were wiped away and how they became scorned. You remembered her lessons, of her teachings. "Success is all that matters, Kohri." She would say every time you failed one of her tests. "Success is all that matters, Kohri." She would say every time you were defeated in combat. "Success is all that matters, Kohri." She would say every time you saw her gaze at that all too familiar scouter.

And so you remembered. "Success is all that matters." And even more so, why. Even as you became aware to the screaming of the class, of how they cheered your name in the seats that surrounded the arena. Had you been a fraction less attentive, you may have missed the body that knelt before you. He was no friend. Not even an acquaintance. No one could be in this class meant for Warriors. And so, you had fought with all your might. With all the power mustered from the endless years of training.

His eyes stared back at you. Even with a face so bloodied, he continued to defy the odds. A true Saiyan, if ever. Why you allowed him to stand up, you did not understand. Mayhaps it was because he had put up the hardest fight all throughout your stay here. Broke your arm. Busted your face. Bruised what little actually remained of your ego.

You both fell into a stance. Even as bones creaked, muscles screamed, and blood escaped. Your one workable hand was thrown backwards, energy gathering to your palm. Motes of crimson melded together into a sphere. A sphere that contained all that you were. Its luminescence dwarfed that of your opponent's tried and true Gallick Gun. And as you and your opponent blasted each other to kingdom come, you remembered.

Success is all that matters.

For as the dust settled, all that was left of your opponent was defeat. And in that deafening chant of the crowd, you raised your fist. The bell rang immediately after, a signal that the bout was over and that a winner has been declared. One of the Overseers stepped forth and grasped your unbroken wrist. And just like that, the tournament to choose the best in their year had been decided.

What happened after came to you in a daze. The fight had not been easy, and you were reeling from the exhaustion brought by fighting for your life. Yet as the Overseer approached you, garbed in that painfully memorable Saiyan Warrior armor, the world came back to focus.

"Kohrifura." You stood up a little straighter at the echo of your name. "How would you like to fight against the Saiyan Princess?"

The answer was obvious. And, of course, you'll win. You always will, in the end, and you will come back home. That is your promise of a lifetime.
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You give me a rough description, and there's still time for her to make it into the quest.

And yes, I do owe you a Lightning Bolt. I owe a few, but I'll save handing them out for after the update.

Trondason said:
What about our cruel sadistic father? If he doesn't really care about randos, why would he not snack on the occasional flavorful alien? Political concerns probably wouldn't stop him, considering he's The King and can pretty easily dissapear some nobody on some backwater planet whenever he wants.
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That could be true, but as I said. The whole "Eating aliens" was something I didn't quite catch.

The sadistic nature I did, though even then that isn't really coming through in my writing of him due to me being torn on how bad I really wanted him to be. So, he was meant to be an abusive father who was not to happy that the heir to his throne is his daughter. But. . . Well. I just couldn't make him be that bad.

I tried.
 
KnightDisciple said:
...Wait, are you seriously going to argue that a society of Saiyans that's explicitly not trying to be bloody conquerors would still regularly allow 25% of their population to engage in the consumption of other sapients, especially in a non-ceremonial scenario (there's always weird cultures out there)?

Like, I get the idea that a chunk of Saiyans have no problem with it, or even an urge for it, but I'd imagine that just enlightened self-interest would tell them that consuming sapients would be....well, it's unlikely to make friends.
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I had a misunderstanding with that originally. I was meaning that of the total population, not just the Fleet, that roughly 25% of the Saiyans in space have the potential to be sadistic.

Any of those who would eat people do not live among the Fleet. There were Saiyans who looked at life on the Fleet and said, "Nah."
 
LightningShow said:
That could be true, but as I said. The whole "Eating aliens" was something I didn't quite catch.

The sadistic nature I did, though even then that isn't really coming through in my writing of him due to me being torn on how bad I really wanted him to be. So, he was meant to be an abusive father who was not to happy that the heir to his throne is his daughter. But. . . Well. I just couldn't make him be that bad.

I tried.
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The impression I was getting, was that he loved his family and maybe is a good guy to Saiyans in general, but he didn't really give a flip about strangers. That being the normal mindset through the fleet. Good to your allies, don't give a flip about everyone else.
 
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Trondason said:
The impression I was getting, was that he loved his family and maybe is a good guy to Saiyans in general, but he didn't really give a flip about strangers. That being the normal mindset through the fleet. Good to your allies, don't give a flip about everyone else.
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I also owe you a Lightning Bolt for your omake.

And @ExNihilo due to that omake.

And suddenly these are going around like mad. o_O
 
Trondason said:
Most societies don't have to regularly deal with mass murder. Even if the Saiyans have largely learned how to make nice, not all alien species will want to, meaning the annihilation of an entire planet is not an unusual event. Saiyans send their young out into the unknown universe on the regular, and they are expected to be able to deal with whatever they find.
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Wait really? [CITATION NEEDED]
@LightningShow can you clarify whether Fleet Saiyans regularly engage in "defensive" genocide?

Fighting (and likely killing) hostile individuals? Or groups? Sure.
But planetary annihilation seems unlikely; it seems more likely they kill a champion or 5 and then "oh our bad here's what you want please oh Kami let us live by the Kais we won't stop you".
Trondason said:
What's more, eating people ain't that bad compared to what other races out there probably do. Most species would rather have a few members eaten than everyone blown up for fun.

Also, there is the question "what makes someone a person"? Does every talking dinosaur count as a person? Animals are pretty dang smart in Dragon Ball. This is before considering simple racism, thoughts that people who aren't part of the fleet aren't really people. And differing cultural backgrounds, since the reason behind the "Don't Eat People" Taboo doesn't really apply to them
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"It's not as bad as some people" is literally no defense at all.

That's like saying "well I only murdered 5 people, it's not like I ran a genocide campaign" NO you murderer you're still going to jail.

Like, given a choice I'd rather someone not eat my friends/family.

Also, I don't know that we've seen evidence that the sapient animal-kind in DB/DBZ get eaten by non-evil characters.

"People not part of our Fleet aren't really people" seems like a radical fringe idea not something huge swaths of the population hold to.

Trondason said:
What about our cruel sadistic father? If he doesn't really care about randos, why would he not snack on the occasional flavorful alien? Political concerns probably wouldn't stop him, considering he's The King and can pretty easily dissapear some nobody on some backwater planet whenever he wants.
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Dude there's "some sadism/cruelty" and then there's "BITCH I EAT PEOPLE".

Like, it's a freaking gradient.

Can we not make "eating sapient beings" a part of this Quest? Can we ****ing not? Can that be one of our lines? ****ing please can that be one of our lines?
 
KnightDisciple said:
Wait really? [CITATION NEEDED]
@LightningShow can you clarify whether Fleet Saiyans regularly engage in "defensive" genocide?

Fighting (and likely killing) hostile individuals? Or groups? Sure.
But planetary annihilation seems unlikely; it seems more likely they kill a champion or 5 and then "oh our bad here's what you want please oh Kami let us live by the Kais we won't stop you".
"It's not as bad as some people" is literally no defense at all.

That's like saying "well I only murdered 5 people, it's not like I ran a genocide campaign" NO you murderer you're still going to jail.

Like, given a choice I'd rather someone not eat my friends/family.

Also, I don't know that we've seen evidence that the sapient animal-kind in DB/DBZ get eaten by non-evil characters.

"People not part of our Fleet aren't really people" seems like a radical fringe idea not something huge swaths of the population hold to.

Dude there's "some sadism/cruelty" and then there's "BITCH I EAT PEOPLE".

Like, it's a freaking gradient.

Can we not make "eating sapient beings" a part of this Quest? Can we ****ing not? Can that be one of our lines? ****ing please can that be one of our lines?
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You raise a wonderful point.

To Clarify:

Eating of Sapient Beings Will NOT Happen in this Quest.

We are not Cell.​

So if we meet a T-Rex that acts like a puppy, and someone write-ins to eat it. Imma flyswatta you!

Edit: End of that particular discussion, please?
 
...the sheer amount of stupid Tron spouts is amazing. Like, if you can't tell that sadism and eating others is very much different, I have to worry about you.
 
Fuck yeah though. Thanks for the Bolts. Time to cook up a storm of Bolt Themed names for Soko's signature move now.

Crash Bolter has a nice ring to it heeeh
 
Hey, did you know that every Sci-Fi game is Stellaris? (Allowing for mods, that is)

Here's an example!


I don't know our flag, so I made one up. Taking suggestions to make it better.
 
I mean, I can try to find a flag that looks like that, but no promises.

And the rest? Ethics, traits, etc. make sense?
 
KnightDisciple said:
Wait really? [CITATION NEEDED]
@LightningShow can you clarify whether Fleet Saiyans regularly engage in "defensive" genocide?

Fighting (and likely killing) hostile individuals? Or groups? Sure.
But planetary annihilation seems unlikely; it seems more likely they kill a champion or 5 and then "oh our bad here's what you want please oh Kami let us live by the Kais we won't stop you".
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When every Tom, Hank, and Jerry is packing enough fire-power to render entire continents uninhabitable, "Blow the place to kingdom come" is a very real strategy.

If we were strong enough to kill their strongest 5 champions (assuming they aren't a tech-based race who relies on Nukes and other mass-produced stuff), that would be all well and good, but it's very likely that the Saiyan wouldn't be strong enough to beat them. So it's a choice of dying, or resort to dirty tactics involving ruining the entire planet.
KnightDisciple said:
"It's not as bad as some people" is literally no defense at all.

That's like saying "well I only murdered 5 people, it's not like I ran a genocide campaign" NO you murderer you're still going to jail.

Like, given a choice I'd rather someone not eat my friends/family.

Also, I don't know that we've seen evidence that the sapient animal-kind in DB/DBZ get eaten by non-evil characters.

"People not part of our Fleet aren't really people" seems like a radical fringe idea not something huge swaths of the population hold to.
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It totally is a defense, when from what we have seen of DBZ it's not "some people", it's most people. When you options for a intergalactic alliance are "Kills a couple people occasionally for fun" and "Kills entire planets occasionally for fun", you would go with the prior group. They are still bad, but you got no better choice. Almost all of the good races in the galaxy are weak-sauce, like the Humans.

Also, Gohan regularly ate the tail of a very expressive T-Rex. Said T-Rex was always trying to eat him, but still. Gohan had fun talking with and playing with it and generally treating it like a person, and just sliced off more of it's tail whenever he was hungry.


I don't see how such a mindset would inherently be a radical fringe idea, considering how common it was here on earth not even two centuries ago. People who aren't part of your group aren't really people, just savages.
KnightDisciple said:
Dude there's "some sadism/cruelty" and then there's "BITCH I EAT PEOPLE".

Like, it's a freaking gradient.
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DarkKing98 said:
...the sheer amount of stupid Tron spouts is amazing. Like, if you can't tell that sadism and eating others is very much different, I have to worry about you.
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They are not on the same scale. For demonstration, lets compare a random alien species to Cows. They are smart cows, but since we don't consider them people they are nothing more than that. People eat beef all the time without caring one lick, but lots of people dislike animal cruelty. They want the transition from Cow to Beef to be painless and humane. Sadism is drawing pleasure from people suffering, Eating is drawing pleasure from the flavor. Just because something tastes good and you like to eat it doesn't mean you like the origin species to suffer first.

LightningShow said:
You raise a wonderful point.

To Clarify:

Eating of Sapient Beings Will NOT Happen in this Quest.

We are not Cell.​

So if we meet a T-Rex that acts like a puppy, and someone write-ins to eat it. Imma flyswatta you!

Edit: End of that particular discussion, please?
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Well poo, guess we are nothing more than Humans With A Tail then. There goes most of the fun alien cultural differences.
 
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Moving on from the crazy's insane bullshit, name ideas for signature attacks.

Booming Thunder
Bolt Storm
Roaring Thunder
Thunder Cannon
And Electro Blast
 
I was maybe thinking Rasengan since it's Bolt themed. :^

And maaaaan, Soko is gonna be so hyped when she gets Super Saiyan. Actual fucking lightning bolts for everyone just by standing there.
 
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