Memoirs of a Human Flashlight [Exalted/Worm]
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And Archery Charms translate every bit as well to firearms as sail charms do to aircraft. And none of the charmtrees or abilities were ever about "cultural conceits", so I'm not sure where you're pulling that from; they are about function, and always were.Alratan said:
Which missed the point, which was that they could, and did, integrate modern situations/applications s into an existing charmtree and ability. They easily could have done the same with firearms and motor-vehicles, both of which already had sufficient precedents in things like chariots, firewands, or artifact guns/vehicles in vanilla Exalted. Mechanically there was no reason for the distinction, and the "fluff" argument is rather weak in that many Exalted Abilities have always been pretty broad in interpretation and application.Hazard said:
As I said; I think it was a poor design-decision in an otherwise good book, which tried to fix something that was never broken in the first place. You like it, that's fine; I don't, but thankfully it's a simple matter to just adapt the charms into an existing tree with little to no fuss and either of us can have what they want.
This isn't the exalted discussion thread. Take it there.Kelenas said:
Pretty sure that the debate is perfectly on-topic for an Exalted story-thread where it's being talked about what weapons the MC should/could use. Though frankly I don't really see it going anywhere since it's an argument about taste and preferences rather than facts, which means it's unlikely either side will be able to prove the other "right". *shrug*Nightblade said:
Its not. This same problem has popped up many times in Gregg's threads.Kelenas said:
And it will continue to do so regardless of whether you get on any individual poster's case or not. As long as it's not malicious and completely and utterly off-topic, there's no real problem, in my opinion. Just learn to live with it and go with the flow; in most cases such discussions will peter out by themselves in time anyway.Nightblade said:
Look, the charms have been written. This isn't the place to complain about wasted wordcount. Golden Lark will use whichever charmset he finds better, whether it's the thematic and fun Firearm charms, or the old style archery goodness. They both have upsides and downsides, but it's not up to us to debate which one Taylor will be using. It has no bearing on the story, because we're not the ones writing it, and so whether the "I shoot farther" charm is under Archery or Firearms matters less than nothing.Kelenas said:
Yeah, but you don't have to keep propagating it when you know it's off topic. This whole statement is you saying "I know I'm doing something bad, but other people do it too, so I shall do so as well!"Kelenas said:
Just leave the discussion alone and actually talk about the story, you can get satisfaction from knowing that you're not the one bringing up irrelevant nitpicky details.
And now I am reporting you to the mods for being off topic and thread crapping. Have fun.Kelenas said:
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Awesome, I love it when someone brings the mods down on a thread for someone daring to discuss the mechanics of the story's crossover universe rather than the story itself. Then brags about it.Nightblade said:
You really should leave it to the OP to decide what is or isn't worth getting the mods involved.
I asked him to stop and pointed it out that it was off topic. You know what his reaction was? I'm going to do it anyway. And they weren't being on topic. They had moved on to why the charms are poorly written and that they need to fixed. There's a thread for that. It isn't this one.Guile said:
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
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Depends on what she does with it. Internally, I tie Sorcery mostly with Demon Summoning, which is...probably not a path she's going to want to go down. The rest of the effects are really niche IIRC.Monshroud said:
Why the hell not?Spectrum said:
It's not like Exalted Demon Summoning is this big evil thing like it is in other series.
The worst thing about it off the top of my head is you're plucking a random demon out of their home in Malfeas and getting them to work for you. But when one considers how bad it is to be a First Circle* in Malfeas, there's probably not going to be many complaints.
*Demons are naturally immortal, can use Essence and have their own Charms. If they make it to their twenties, it's fucking impressive.
Spectrum
Tell me a secret~
- Location
- Behind you~
Summoning those kinds of things, especially when they self-refer as Demons, is likely to give her an image problem something fierce.Nervaqus987 said:
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- Little Rock, AR
Eh if she learns enough to reconstruct summoning from past life wouldn't she know enough to know it was basically a political statement?Spectrum said:
Guile
Having a really great time right now
"Demons! You will now refer to yourselves as Angels. Keep up the good work. Payday is next thursday."Spectrum said:
M'kay. One thing I thought might be worth pointing out- MAVV is not going to be getting much positive publicity from this. They may have believed that going to the Bay would provoke Leet and Uber into some kind of violent retaliation which would lend their cause substance, but that's not really what they're getting. Given Leet and Uber's entry line and choice of costumes, they knew Glory Girl and Lightshow would be there well ahead of time. And they have a plan to make this a PR goldmine for themselves, Lightshow, and most interestingly - New Wave.
These guys may be viewed as 'pathetic' by an idealist like Taylor Hebert, but they are not stupid. They have a way of finding out where people will be, they market themselves better than 99.9% of heroes and villains who simply take orders from their masters (PRT or villain team) or ignore publicity, and they enjoy the perks of being a villain without any real risk of being sent to the Birdcage for good. These guys, upon closer inspection, are smart. We know for a fact that much of the Protectorate doesn't live nearly as well as they do.
This stunt is likely to result in massive youtube hits, massive subscribers to the Leet and Uber website, and perhaps even a fighting game including Glory Girl and Lightshow (which will include Leet and Uber due to their presence at this event), and a revived interest in the 'old-school' game titles like Starfox that Leet apparently prizes.
Kid Win obviously knew what would happen. Brandish's 'friend' must have too, if Brandish herself isn't involved. because this will be amazing PR for New Wave, and Carol Dallon is no teddy bear. MAVV may well have been suckered into this whole thing by the thought they'd get Glory Girl and Panacea, btw, which would be a PR coup. Then again, someone in their ranks may believe 'any publicity is good publicity'. If so... They're idiots.
These guys may be viewed as 'pathetic' by an idealist like Taylor Hebert, but they are not stupid. They have a way of finding out where people will be, they market themselves better than 99.9% of heroes and villains who simply take orders from their masters (PRT or villain team) or ignore publicity, and they enjoy the perks of being a villain without any real risk of being sent to the Birdcage for good. These guys, upon closer inspection, are smart. We know for a fact that much of the Protectorate doesn't live nearly as well as they do.
This stunt is likely to result in massive youtube hits, massive subscribers to the Leet and Uber website, and perhaps even a fighting game including Glory Girl and Lightshow (which will include Leet and Uber due to their presence at this event), and a revived interest in the 'old-school' game titles like Starfox that Leet apparently prizes.
Kid Win obviously knew what would happen. Brandish's 'friend' must have too, if Brandish herself isn't involved. because this will be amazing PR for New Wave, and Carol Dallon is no teddy bear. MAVV may well have been suckered into this whole thing by the thought they'd get Glory Girl and Panacea, btw, which would be a PR coup. Then again, someone in their ranks may believe 'any publicity is good publicity'. If so... They're idiots.
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
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- She/Her
Or to provide a more detailed example - the only places in the wormverse as dangerous as Malfeas are ongoing Endbringer fights.Nervaqus987 said:
As for power - oh boy. Many 1st circles would actually be analogous powerwise to low-end paras, second circles are rapidly approaching Triumvirate level if not beyond - and 3rd circles can casually bitchslap anything less than Scion or Tohu fighting seriously or Sirmurgh fighting seriosly with time to prep. (No matter how powerful you are, anyone who can spam G-Drivers is a serious threat.)
Demons will usually use their species name if asked what they are, or if pressed give information based on who created the species. 2nd and 3rd circles will just give out their whole title, but they are also powerful enough that PR isn't gonna be that much of an issue - 3rd circles can pretty trivially stomp on Endbringers, which is pretty much perfect PR.Spectrum said:
Golden Lark
The First Fiction User
I already more or less hinted it so I will state it outright!
Lightshow favors Melee and Firearms!
Not Archery!
Not Martial Arts!
Lightshow favors Melee and Firearms!
Not Archery!
Not Martial Arts!
They're more like to refer to themselves by their species name(like Agata, Neomah, etc) or call themselves First Circles than they are to call themselves Demons.Spectrum said:
Besides, Taylor could just say "Don't call yourself a Demon" and they would go "Sure thing boss" because working for Taylor would be far better than living in Malfeas where they have to worry about such things as getting pressganged into Octavian's armies, getting melted down and forged into Helltech, catching the eye of a Priest of Cecelyne who decides to try and execute them for a breaking a law(which, given the nature of the Law's of Cecelyne, it's impossible to live in Malfeas and not have broken a couple dozen at least once.), etc.
Having mooks to use in endbringer fights means they don't fucking care what they call themselves. They want more of them. Yesterday.Spectrum said:
Also note that the proper term is deva, unless you are referring to a specific sub group of deva associated with a single Primordial, Gaia's for example are called kami, while Authochton's are IIRC machinae.
'Demon' is just the politically assigned name for the soul pantheons of the Primordial sub group called 'Yozi.'
'Demon' is just the politically assigned name for the soul pantheons of the Primordial sub group called 'Yozi.'
pheonix89
Wants to be Seven Of Nine
- Location
- North American Plaguelands
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- She/Her
Quite correct.Hazard said:
Except that from my point of view the discussion about whether Taylor would use Archery or Firearms (where my point was that she could have easily done both, if Golden Lark had so chosen) wasn't off-topic anymore than speculating about what other characters Taylor might make friends with, or the current discussion about demon-summoning. And the point of my post that you quoted was to tell Nightblade that he should get off my case and calm down. I could have phrased that a lot better, admittedly, but by that point I was already pretty annoyed with him; as far as I'm concerned Nightblade jumped into a perfectly civil and on-topic discussion and singled me out for harassment, with no real reason whatsover.Cytokinesis said:
If Alratan, Hazard and I had continued our discussion past the point where Golden Lark, as the author, confirmed that 1) he'd keep the distinction between Firearms and Archery and 2) Taylor would favor/use Firearms, we would have been off-topic, yes. As things went down, however, the only thing Nightblade accomplished from my point of view was to make himself look like a giant douchebag and land on my ignore-list.
You're correct, though even if they openly called themselves "demons", the PRT probably wouldn't care too much, given how incredibly useful many of them are; Anuhles for producing large quantities of silk that can be turned into armor for Protectorate or Ward capes, Noresores/Passion Morays might be useful in psychiatry for capes (by consuming traumatizing memories; canon-Grue probably would have loved to have one consume his memories of what Bonesaw did), Perroneles can act as armor (and translators) for PRT-capes in addition to other protection they have, and Sesseljae are excellent (if somewhat disturbing/squicky) healers.Hazard said:
Throw in the combat-capabilities many demons even of the First Circle have, and the fact that many Second Circle demons are capable of crafting powerful Artifacts, and (from the PRT's point of view) they'd have to be stupid not to make use of them. Especially considering how they could be used to minimize losses amongst hero-capes when facing threats such as the Slaughterhouse Nine or the Endbringers, which is one of their primary concerns.
UrsaTempest
Don't Panic!
Agree, though. Just tell them not to call themselves demons, and everything (should) be green. I mean, Exalted's demon is really different then 'normal' conception of demon, so long that nobody mention they are the equivalent of demon in their world, it should be fine.
I got on you cause you were the one continuing the argument. I would have done the same to Hazard and Alratan if it was them. Plus I apologize if I insulted you. I let my hatred of people who thread crap color my response.Kelenas said: