tankdrop24
Tread First into Hell
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Mami's Maisonette: Madoka Magica Megathread
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She chopped their bodies up and walked away, leaving them to die, when they witched out instead. That's why. kyouko demonstrated that was her plan for Sayaka.
A: It demonstrates her willingness
B: Yes, Sayaka is perfectly willing to kill monsters like Kyouko as every decent person should. Kyouko had just bragged about performing an act of mass murder right in front of Sayaka.
Firstly, Kyouko did know she needed them. that's the reason for the food-chain speech.
Secondly, even if she didn't, she'd be responsible for the deaths caused familiars she protected by chasing other magical girls away.
Thirdly, we saw Mami's relationships with multiple magical girls. There are multiple ones she never chases off. She never even chases Homura off. Homura, who she believed wanted to murder her best friend out of convenience. So, yes, she considered that image of Homura more morally upright than Kyouko.
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"magical girls LIKE you" She wasn't accusing Kyouko of being responsible for Mami's death at all.
tankdrop24
Tread First into Hell
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Still would have ticked Kyoko off to have that said to her face.
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I don't care if Sayaka said, "Mami's death is entirely and only your fault specifically. You should have been less of a cowered and looked her in the eyes as you cut her throat. It would have been less of a betrayal than how you stabbed her in the back." It still wouldn't have been an appropriate reaction on Kyouko's part.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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If this is the level of goalpost-moving we're doing, this conversation has become no longer productive.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Considering how many times PMAS was set on fire because of this sort of thing, I really don't see how you could have thought it ever would be productive. *headpats*
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Just how much soul gem corruption can a typical grief seed cleanse? Oktavia's seed was able to cleanse Homura from near-witching, as I recall.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
So we know that the type of wish a Magical Girl makes shapes her abilities later on, right?
What exactly would've happened if Madoka had done as Mami suggested and wished for a giant, delicious cake?
How large a cake would her soul have made?
What exactly would've happened if Madoka had done as Mami suggested and wished for a giant, delicious cake?
How large a cake would her soul have made?
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
It wouldn't have been too large, but it would have been a different flavor every slice, and would have constantly regenerated missing slices, and the icing could probably cure cancer.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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Oktavia's seed was also totally unused. My metric is that a Grief Seed of a defeated Witch is roughly equivalent to a clean Soul Gem, so it can do that shit 1:1. A more powerful witch can thus absorb more because the MAgical Girl had a 'larger' Soul Gem.
If someone ever defeated Kriemheld Gretchen, her Grief Seed would save all Magical Girls...
She probably would've just gotten the most ideal cake for the party, one perfectly suited to everyone's tastes, perfectly filling but not fattening.
The interesting thing is the magic it'd give. Nagisa made an identical wish, and production notes and guidebooks claim her magic is based around creation, things getting more difficult the further it is from the base of 'cake'.
Ramp that up to Madoka's near-infinity degrees, and she'd be a reality warper who could create and conjure anything, but has sweets-elemental attacks or something.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
I left my spare brains in the other thread.
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Sorry to ask about this but how good is the serie of Puella Magica Madoka, is because my friends recomend that i see the serie but as a rule i dont like much the magic girl shows and in it great mayority the descontruction anime i ten to found them not to my liking.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Pure quality wise it is good. Probably one of the best anime I've seen. Solid characters, pretty good pacing, beautiful soundtrack great monster design and the Rebellion movie pulled off one of the greatest character arcs I've seen. (some people disagree with that, but since they aren't me I just assume they have zero taste)
But it being well-made doesn't neccesarily mean you'll like it. What other anime have you liked previously and what kind of deconstructions did you dislike?
For all it's getting hyped as a "dark deconstruction of the magical girl genre", it only really deconstructs some rather small parts of it and reconstructs almost as much as it breaks down, so you might enjoy this one anyways.
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Liked Neon Genesis Evangelion, i belive Digimon Tamers was a decontruction, Gundam almost all the serie, Eureka Seven i found it fun.
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Also i liked Bleach, one piece, hellsing ultimate, boku no hero samurai champloo, Rouroni Kenshin, Ynuyasha amongt other.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
With that lineup, I'd say give it a go. Madoka's only a 12-episode anime anyways, so it's not that heavy a time-investment,
Just know that it takes a few episodes to really get going.
I mean, Digimon Adventure was already pretty much a Magical Girl show without the Magical Girls, and Tamers kept a decent chunk of those thematics.
The Law of Cycles
SpiritFluid
Spooky, and Gay
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So, something that (HOPEFULLY) won't cause any excessive degrees of drama; Religious Interpretation!
... I meant that as a joke, don't get the pitchforks. More seriously, this is a bti more of a broad question that doesn't really have an official answer as far as I know, and is just a matter up to interpretation. And that question is, what is the Law of Cycles/Magical Girl Afterlife like?
Would you argue it's essentially a paradise in which all of the souls of the Magical Girls live in harmony, un some utopic world?
Or do they simply become one with Madokami, and make the conglomerate entity that all Magical Girls shall one day become one with when they die?
Or some other interpretation?
... I meant that as a joke, don't get the pitchforks. More seriously, this is a bti more of a broad question that doesn't really have an official answer as far as I know, and is just a matter up to interpretation. And that question is, what is the Law of Cycles/Magical Girl Afterlife like?
Would you argue it's essentially a paradise in which all of the souls of the Magical Girls live in harmony, un some utopic world?
Or do they simply become one with Madokami, and make the conglomerate entity that all Magical Girls shall one day become one with when they die?
Or some other interpretation?
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Thank for teling me this i wil try to see the anime then.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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So, something that (HOPEFULLY) won't cause any excessive degrees of drama; Religious Interpretation!
... I meant that as a joke, don't get the pitchforks. More seriously, this is a bti more of a broad question that doesn't really have an official answer as far as I know, and is just a matter up to interpretation. And that question is, what is the Law of Cycles/Magical Girl Afterlife like?
Would you argue it's essentially a paradise in which all of the souls of the Magical Girls live in harmony, un some utopic world?
Or do they simply become one with Madokami, and make the conglomerate entity that all Magical Girls shall one day become one with when they die?
Or some other interpretation?
Nirvana. PMMM is full of Buddhist overtones, and rather than being a 'heaven', the Law of Cycles is a place free of hope and despair. it's a Pure Lands free of rot because milk can't be putrefacted into cheese (if physical sensations even exist), and all Magical Girls are unified with their Witch selves, allowed to come to terms with their pain and release themselves from it.
It's a place that's quite close to the Buddhist Enlightenment but falls slightly short; most importantly, it's a place where Magical Girls can do what Kyubey's system allows: To come to terms with their suffering without it destroying them, move on from it, and grow from the permanent emotional stunting he afflicts onto them.
It's a place where Magical Girls can grow up without turning into monsters. And that's enough.
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Ah this is were I have to say no to that Madoka destroys all witches and while it may look like the MG and witches are united they really aren't.
yep.
It is where the suffering is destroyed instead of the girls.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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Did you...WATCH Rebellion? Sayaka and Charlotte use their Witch forms and powers; they both express knowledge of their regrets and signs of having moved past it. Witch Card information describes the witches as existing, having character growth, and having been 'cut out of the Law of Cycles' so that they could help Madoka. There's even fluff about Gertrude giving little medals to her Anthonies before loaning them out to Sayaka/Oktavia.
Madoka stopped all witches from being born...A 'witch' being a being that suffers forever with no memory of hope. They are the other side of the coin of a Magical Girl; their mature form. Magical Girls grow INTO them, but in so doing there's a sense of ego death and loss of identity.
Madoka prevents that by intervening and giving them an escape, and a healthy outlet. She gives them a chance to be themselves without the things that prevent that from being possible.
In a continuum of linear time where there exists an illusion of "Magical Girls become Witches, and their mentalities are different", Madoka's Angels exist outside of time, and are thus Magical Girls and Witches simultaneously, freed from the cycle of Hope and Despair because they can feel both, like normal people do, and move past their emotions after handling them properly. Sayaka's love for Kyousuke doesn't HAVE to kill her; she can get over it and let Hitomi have him.
However, by remembering that pain (quite literally by ripping her own heart out), she can summon her forth. She can remember her pain while having learned from it, and thus use her pain as power without letting it consume her.
This is a magical metaphor for how people cope with hurt and become stronger from it when they recover. This is a magical metaphor for destroying the binary of pure, virginal girls (the classic magical girl) and corrupted, sexually active women (the original mythology of witches).
It's Buddhist. It's Feminist. It's Gnostic. It's Human.
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Did you?
hmm how to explain it hmm ah
were did you get this info?
You are incorrect on the Idea that a Witch is an opposite of a MG, as they MG's can feel grief and regret yet A witch as not been seen to have the ability to feel anything but grief or regret at least not in the show. A magical girl becomes a witch by force feeding it their grief until the witch overcomes and dominates the MG soul gem.
She destroys all witches before their births.
hmm you believe that the witch is the same individual as the Magical girl? I see it as when the soul gem is formed the universe as a repercussion due to the wish that changes reality is inserted as an antibody into the physical soul, this being is then so closely pressed with the girl that it takes her despair and takes it into itself at the end when there the girl is nothing but despair the witch as a mercy engulfs the girl inside of a world of her (now twisted) liking and goes about killing off other humans as it is meant to do to get rid of the danger of emotions. You can say that everything in madoka has metaphors however these are human believes on a system that has non-human beings involved with it.
The only Magical girl / witch bonding is well Homura.