1. Homura does not want a perfect world.
2. what caused Homura to go batshit insane was Madoka putting herself in a trap for her own sake.
2b. This happened most likely because Madoka had to 'save people with her own hands'.
The ending of Rebellion kind of pissed me off when I first saw it, because I thought it was out of character for Homura, but after it sunk in for a day or so, it started to make sense.
1. Homura is witching out.
2. Girls who are witching out don't behave rationally.
3. What Homura really wanted all along was to have Madoka.
Ergo, Homura wasn't really sane at the time and took what she wanted without regard for how others might feel about it. Q.E.D.
There's some other stuff involving how at their original meeting, Madoka was the hero and Homura was the damsel in distress, and Homura's wish was to reverse that dynamic, indicating that she wants to have the power in the relationship, but that's secondary to the obvious "witching out makes you cray-cray, so you kidnap the girl you were stalking" factor.
Homura hated the 'witch world' because it prevented herself and the others from being in the real world, her duty her purpose as see saw it was to defend the world that Madoka sacrificed herself to make, a world that is not perfect.
Homura hated the 'witch world' because it prevented herself and the others from being in the real world, her duty her purpose as see saw it was to defend the world that Madoka sacrificed herself to make, a world that is not perfect.
That was posturing, and she clearly doesn't believe it at her core because she's the one who made that perfect world in the first place. She was resenting the existence of the dream world under incomplete information, as she thought someone was cowardly running away from their duties, which they're morally obligated to fulfill since it's what Madoka sacrificed herself for.
But, when the chips are down, when she's deprived of her masks and coping mechanisms and bravado...Homura doesn't care about. She just wants Madoka back.
And a world where Madoka is, where nothing forces her to step up to plate as a hero at her own expense...a world where Madoka can be happy every day and not have to worry about anything...that is Homura's perfect world. And at the end of Rebellion, she created that perfect world, directly and deliberately, with her own hands.
But, when the chips are down, when she's deprived of her masks and coping mechanisms and bravado...Homura doesn't care about. She just wants Madoka back.
She says she does. To a large extent, indeed, she does. But it was always my read of her that living in a world where she would never see Madoka again was quite literally driving her insane. All the justifications she could construct doesn't change the fact that Madoka's presence is what she built her life around.
Yes, and she wants to be the one responsible for that. She psychologically needs to be, as being Madoka's caretaker is the only thing she feels she's good for.
She says she does. To a large extent, indeed, she does. But it was always my read of her that living in a world where she would never see Madoka again was quite literally driving her insane. All the justifications she could construct doesn't change the fact that Madoka's presence is what she built her life around.
Yes, and she wants to be the one responsible for that. She psychologically needs to be, as being Madoka's caretaker is the only thing she feels she's good for.
Correct, Homura has 'wants' and 'desires' she wants to protect Madoka and wants her to be happy, she desires Madoka to 'need her', and to have her safe, happy and have a normal life. Over the course of the movie Rebellion Homura actively rejects her desires because she knows that they are harmful to the others, she stops rejecting them after her breakdown and goes after them in utter totality. Leading her to become what she is at the movie's end.
Also Homura been insane for a long long time.
*eyeroll* Yes yes she uses a bow but her arrows don't either.
I'll grant you WN and Kriemhild Gretchen but they're both just special effects; the real conflict was never about them anyway. What actually gets defeated is the cruelty of the world, and that can't be destroyed with violence in the first place. You can't kill a law of physics.
Either Homura genuinely wants everyone to be happy. Or she realizes that in order for Madoka to be happy, the others must be happy.
The fact she's witching out doesn't help certainly didn't help when that conversation in the field broker her biggest rationalization for being ok with Madokas sacrifice(that it's genuinely what she wanted).
So by the end she's in full I will save madoka even from herself mode and thinks anything madoka says to the contrary is at best justification.
Madoka's final wish is selfish because it's something she wanted. A Priori.
More in detail, she made it because Kyubey guilt-tripped her in a way that perfectly hit her issues, and she was unable to morally accept passively benefiting from the work of all Magical Girls while knowing she could alleviate their suffering in some way. By wishing to save them, she could finally have her own deepest, fondest desire of having helped others instead of always being helped.
Her wish is self-validation as much as it is noble. But that's fine, because she's wishing for exactly what she wanted rather than a means to that end.
So, Magia Record just had a panel on AnimeJapan2017, featuring a few of the voice actors, Ume Aoki (wearing a ghost mask) and a producer. If I understood things correctly, they also announced the release of the game to be sometime in May.
More importantly, they showed off some of the gameplay. Reminds me a bit of Fate/Grand Order with you seemingly picking three cards from a random selection based on your characters, except positioning matters. Of course, there are special moves as well, the highlight shown being Mami summoning Candeloro.
Naturally, I am a filthy casual who gets excited by blatant marketing like this, so I am definitely hyped to the max.
So I finally read the translated chapter 9 of the Wraith Arc manga. I'm honestly confused on a few subjects but I'll try to sum it up.
So apparently, Homura's new abilities and memory manipulation were a result of the feelings shared between Madoka and Homura as the universe was being rewritten taking form as new magic. This new magic gave Homura an innate connection to Madoka, whether she knew it or not. However, when Homura arrived in the new world, she still had the magic of her shield, which was now linked to a timeline that didn't exist anymore. These two different magics that Homura had interacted with each other in a weird way, as her shield now became a sort of road that connected to Madoka.
Now this is the weirder part. Apparently since Madoka, or the Law of Cycles more specifically, basically destroys Witches by absorbing them and taking in the curses of the Witches, the shield apparently linked to Ultimate Krimheld Gretchen. Realizing that her shield had essentially become a possible bridge to a universe destroying Witch, she used her own memory magic to forget about her still having the shield as well as what was inside the shield. This backfires tremendously as when the Wraiths steal her magic, they get corrupted by the curses of Ultimate Krimheld Gretchen inside the shield and eventually begin to mutate and eventually evolve into some sort of super Wraith-Witch that could possibly destroy the world.
Homura talks with the part of her power that became Wraith Madoka, which also turned out to be the crystallization for her feelings for Madoka, accepts the power, goes Ai Yo, defeats the Wraith, and rewinds time one more time while breaking the shield once and for all. This basically makes her forget the entirety of what happened in Wraith Arc and drops her back after Sayaka died. However, Kyubey apparently remembers the previous timeline as he has a fragment of the broken time shield somehow, which then leads into his plan to use Homura as bait for the Law of Cycles. What? No seriously. Did a fragment of the shield just happen to land near him as it exploded?
Ignoring the Kyubey remembering the retconned wraith timeline, I found one part of this very interesting.
Well that explains how Homura was able to pull off the Homucifer stunt. The truest form of her new magic allows her to basically pull of 'miracles' as long as she truly wishes for it with all her heart, including tearing apart a god.
Kyubey outright says he was touching Homura at the time they rewound, so he might have like, appeared on top of Homura's shoulder at the last second or something.
and yea, that other Homura is "Ai," the 15th Clara Doll that allows the existence of Love to fill Homura's Soul Gem. Her magic represents the connection between her and Madoka, so she can specifically pretty much do anything as long as it's necessary to keep Madoka at Homura's side.
Making wishes is kind of hax when your karmic potential is tied to God, huh?
While Mami may not have the best mental stability, she is both smart, cunning, and fairly powerful. In the profession where people die rather quickly, she has survived for a long time. It makes sense that despite being fairly normal compared to time looping Homura and God Madoka, she is apparently good enough to be considered a God of War. She's the badass "normal" of the group. The one left outside Madoka's group, but able to thrive regardless.
Kyubey outright says he was touching Homura at the time they rewound, so he might have like, appeared on top of Homura's shoulder at the last second or something.
and yea, that other Homura is "Ai," the 15th Clara Doll that allows the existence of Love to fill Homura's Soul Gem. Her magic represents the connection between her and Madoka, so she can specifically pretty much do anything as long as it's necessary to keep Madoka at Homura's side.
Making wishes is kind of hax when your karmic potential is tied to God, huh?
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Can I point out that its not the power level but the fact that the power is of a kind the wraiths never seen before which is why the wraiths cant handle it?
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Can I point out that its not the power level but the fact that the power is of a kind the wraiths never seen before which is why the wraiths cant handle it?
Um.. no. It's because it's too powerful for them to digest. It's the curses of the Witch of Despair, which Madoka fights forever. Nothing short of a god can so much as keep it in check, much less actually dilute and defeat it.
The unknown power is only in Majuuka, because she's straight up possessed and piloted by Ai. The Wraith!Madoka was actually a piece of Homura's soul the entire time.
Um.. no. It's because it's too powerful for them to digest. It's the curses of the Witch of Despair, which Madoka fights forever. Nothing short of a god can so much as keep it in check, much less actually dilute and defeat it.
The unknown power is only in Majuuka, because she's straight up possessed and piloted by Ai. The Wraith!Madoka was actually a piece of Homura's soul the entire time.
... and yet any amount of power from it cant be handled by wraith, because it's fundamentally something they don't know how to deal with it, it is not the strength of the emotions its the 'uniqueness/difference' because they don't know how to deal with it.
... and yet any amount of power from it cant be handled by wraith, because it's fundamentally something they don't know how to deal with it, it is not the strength of the emotions its the 'uniqueness/difference' because they don't know how to deal with it.
It's not that they don't know how to deal with it because it's different on a fundamental level. It's that the curses of Ultimate Krimheld Gretchen was outright too much for them and they were overwhelmed. Wraith Madoka states that originally the big Wraith that stole Homura's power was trying to digest the emotional energy that came from it, with smaller Wraiths attempting to help. The emotional energy (Curses) ended up swelling inside their bodies as it was too much for them to suppress and ended up mutating the Wraiths.
I'll sum it up in a better manner. Wraiths are designed to deal with emotional energy of any kind. It's just that they outright can't handle universe-ending levels of emotional energy, or else they get overwhelmed and mutate. Their purpose is to devour and digest emotional energy before it gets bad enough to the point of overturning the universe.
These lines from Wraith-Madoka imply that it's not the type of emotional energy that's the problem, but the incredible amount of it as well as the power that it has, considering that it's coming from a universe ending Witch.
These lines from Wraith-Madoka imply that it's not the type of emotional energy that's the problem, but the incredible amount of it as well as the power that it has, considering that it's coming from a universe ending Witch.
The problem is that it's any amount of emotion from Homura/Gretchen send wraiths to violently change, considering the fact that neither Gretchen or homura are native to this universe, (I mean hell Gretchen outright is killed as seen at the end of episode 12 in canon). Like If the power they took from Homura was as storng as you say it is, then the wraiths would turn into a world ending monstority, yet they don't. Sure they get stronger and have new powers, but their not anywhere near 'Gretchen' in terms danger.
I mean I understand what your saying and yes Gretchen would be producing an never ending amount of grief, rather much like Madoka produces an never ending amount of hope, the thing is..... Wraiths' have already shown to be able to eat both of these emotion, the only special thing about Gretchen is that she is well. Runes ????? Type Witch of Despair Nature Direct Petition EpisodesEpisode 12, Madogatari Event
The Witch of Despair. Her nature is direct petition. The mouthpiece for all the unfulfilled hopes of all spent magical girls. If a hope is born that can rewrite the universe, then at the same time, it is born from the mud of despair. Everlasting wailing fills her body, a continuously swelling, empty doll. At the end of a magical girl's karma, this witch continues to swell to absurd sizes. And in the end, her body could even destroy the galaxy.
Their is nothing about Gretchen that would make her emotions uneatable because in the end Wraiths eat despair all the time and while she may have an infinite amount of despair, the emotions stolen would only be finite and thus eatable. After all the wraiths have intelligence, they expected to deal with a truly massive amount of power, they honestly didn't expect that they couldn't eat it if they got it.
The problem is that it's any amount of emotion from Homura/Gretchen send wraiths to violently change, considering the fact that neither Gretchen or homura are native to this universe, (I mean hell Gretchen outright is killed as seen at the end of episode 12 in canon). Like If the power they took from Homura was as storng as you say it is, then the wraiths would turn into a world ending monstority, yet they don't. Sure they get stronger and have new powers, but their not anywhere near 'Gretchen' in terms danger.
The last chapter outright states that if left unchecked, the giant Wraith would bring calamity to the world. So yes, it was on its way to becoming a world ending monstrosity.
After all the wraiths have intelligence, they expected to deal with a truly massive amount of power, they honestly didn't expect that they couldn't eat it if they got it.
Wraiths really aren't as intelligent as you're making them out to be. Wraith Madoka elaborates on how they're actually really simple and don't have complex thinking patterns.
Their thought patterns can basically be summed up as detecting emotional energy - > send Wraiths to eat emotional energy. If the emotional energy is stronger than normal, then send more smaller Wraiths and possibly a big Wraith. The Wraiths that you see in the Wraith Arc that can plan and talk to people are outliers created by the combination of the corruption of Krimheld Gretchen's curses as well as Homura's memory magic.
