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Just so I know, what senate seats are people going to pick? Makes my life easier to do them now.

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I want to see how topic of Trump actually go with Wallace thought,he maybe just play "devil advocate" to energize the show.
 
Jesus Christ. Laxalt sounds like he's seconds away from getting the mother of all heart attacks. At least we have the vacation coming up.
The Karvoka Man said:
Just so I know, what senate seats are people going to pick? Makes my life easier to do them now.

You can pick two (this vote is informal)
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Not sure, since I'm not American. :p
I'll defer to the more experienced people here.
Lastly, #MASA.
 
The Karvoka Man said:
Just so I know, what senate seats are people going to pick? Makes my life easier to do them now.

You can pick two (this vote is informal)
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "pick". If we want to support a newcomer or run our own candidate, we could go for the following, listed from most to least likely:
  • Nevada - Either try to find an outsider or bite the bullet and support Joe Heck, who's no fan of Trump. Problem is that he's a pretty establishment, run-of-the-mill republican with some exeptions.(background checks, veterans' affairs, reduction in military spending etc.) Democrats only won the state by 2.4% of the votes, so we should be able to turn it red with a bit of effort.
  • Colorado - No idea about the people running, but there are five viable candidates that we could support so I'm sure we could find someone that aligns with our views. A problem here is that the democrats won with 5.7% of the votes, though a "Pataki-like" candidate might make a lot of difference in a (relatively) socially liberal state.
  • Louisiana - Very odd system where all candidates from all parties run against each other and the two people with the most initial votes then run against each other. It does present us with the opportunity to build a small but viable coalition to secure the nomination, since both "finalists" only secured about 20% of the overall vote each.
  • Indiana - Home of Mike "10 megawatts a day keeps the gay away" Pence, I doubt we'll have an easy time in Indiana. Neither of the big candidates seem to be particularly compatible with Pataki, though I haven't looked into it that much. Don't know if supporting a third candidate is viable but Todd Young didn't exactly have an overwhelming amount of support in the primaries.
It's important to remember that we have an ally that's also facing re-election. We need to support Ayotte's re-election in New Hampshire but it shouldn't be too much of a hassle since she only lost by a thousand votes. I believe that Trump damaged the Republican brand there quite a bit so we might not even need to do anything.

Aside from that, we'd need to either find current Senators that align with our views(not a lot of those around) or attempt to oust some of the incumbent senators in the primaries, which is a very risky strategy that could easily backfire. A place that might be possible is Florida, where Rubio(the little shit) promised not to run for a second term as senator. He decided it was appropriate to use the Orlando Night Club Shooting as an excuse to renege on that promise after he lost the presidential nomination, which should tell you everything you need to know about Rubio.
Not sure about other republican senators though. They all seem to be run-of-the-mill conservatives who are deeply tied to the establishment or tea-party libertarians like Rand Paul who would rather die than support a candidate like Pataki. This is one of the reasons I was against this attempt to win supporters/build an alliance in the Senate.
 
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Just a potential campaign song, but with a very catchy election tune. Back when political ads were composed with original music. Of course, this isn't original technically, due to below. Probably will try and flesh out another bit of lyrics.

MEN (singing):
Reaching out
To find our way,
To make tomorrow
A nicer day,
Making our dreams
a Reality,
More than ever, Pataki now
For you and me.

MEN AND WOMEN (singing):
Pataki now, Pataki now.
He's making the difference,
He's showing us how.
Pataki now, Pataki now.
More than ever, Pataki now.
Listen America, Pataki now.

WOMEN (singing):
Reaching out
Across the isle,
Making friends where
Foes used to be,
Giving hope
To humanity.

MEN AND WOMEN (singing):
More than ever, Pataki now
For you and me.

Pataki now, Pataki now.
He's making the difference,
He's showing us how.
Pataki now, Pataki now,
More than ever, Pataki now.
Listen, America, Pataki now.

Pataki now, Pataki now.
He's making the difference,
He's showing us how.
Pataki now, Pataki now,
More than ever, Pataki now.
Pataki now, Pataki now.
Listen, America, Pataki now.
 
...To be fair to Orban, most sociologists talk about Scandanavia's "ethnic homogeneity" as one reason why their 'cradle to grave' welfare states work so well. A lot of countries in Central and Eastern Europe may want to have the same policies, but can't precisely because of Middle Eastern migration, due to cultural & demographic differences that result.

There's also the fact that for the past few decades, most of Central Europe (Germany in particular) has been supersaturated with Turkish immigration and Turkish culture. Try to imagine the Acela Corridor (DC, Philadelphia, New York) being flooded by folks who were born & raised in the Bible Belt, and you'll get a sense of culture shock that both sides are experiencing. Yet, due to Europe's appalling history with racism and imperialism (cough Belgian Congo cough Holocaust), there's a very strong cultural and sometimes legal barrier against discussing issues like this. It's for that reason that debate on these issues has been relegated to the fringe, and for the same reason that you're seeing the fringe become more populist and more popular -- because they're perceived as the only ones talking about (and proposing solutions for) some of these issues.
 
Publicola said:
...To be fair to Orban, most sociologists talk about Scandanavia's "ethnic homogeneity" as one reason why their 'cradle to grave' welfare states work so well. A lot of countries in Central and Eastern Europe may want to have the same policies, but can't precisely because of Middle Eastern migration, due to cultural & demographic differences that result.

There's also the fact that for the past few decades, most of Central Europe (Germany in particular) has been supersaturated with Turkish immigration and Turkish culture. Try to imagine the Acela Corridor (DC, Philadelphia, New York) being flooded by folks who were born & raised in the Bible Belt, and you'll get a sense of culture shock that both sides are experiencing. Yet, due to Europe's appalling history with racism and imperialism (cough Belgian Congo cough Holocaust), there's a very strong cultural and sometimes legal barrier against discussing issues like this. It's for that reason that debate on these issues has been relegated to the fringe, and for the same reason that you're seeing the fringe become more populist and more popular -- because they're perceived as the only ones talking about (and proposing solutions for) some of these issues.
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It's also why Brexit has been so successful, mass migration and clashing cultures has created a large amount of ethnic friction, something that cannot be properly expressed in the way the U.S has done, thus this friction has eventually created a spark that found a large amount of fuel waiting for it. Now however, we see the right wing beating back against political correctness and positive discrimination, both of which have been a staple of European culture in the aftermath of the Facist and Cold War era. Thus a shift by the British Conservative Party to the Right, a successful Brexit, Facism in Austria, Quasi-Facism in Hungary, Nationalism in France and stirrings of a true Right Wing renewal in Germany.

All in all this can all be tied to the repression of the natural ideology of Europeans, which is right wing imperialist, in the wake of the damage these views have taken in the First, Second and Cold wars. Now we are seeing people return to their natural state of mind.
 
Publicola said:
...To be fair to Orban, most sociologists talk about Scandanavia's "ethnic homogeneity" as one reason why their 'cradle to grave' welfare states work so well. A lot of countries in Central and Eastern Europe may want to have the same policies, but can't precisely because of Middle Eastern migration, due to cultural & demographic differences that result.
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10% of Denmark's population are immigrants or children of immigrants while the number in Sweden is 20-30%. In comparison, 97% of the population in Poland are ethnic Poles with about the same number of Hungarians in Hungary. The idea of Scandinavia's "ethnic homogeneity" is a myth perpetuated by people who thinks the entirety of Scandinavia is inhabited solely by blonde, blue-eyed and fair-skinned people that've somehow avoided intermingling with the rest of Europe for millennia.
 
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Versharl said:
the number in Sweden is 20-30%.
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First, according to the table, Sweden's population is 10 million and the total number of immigrants is a bit less than 1,784,500. That means the immigrant population is less than 18%. Second, Sweden doesn't track by ethnicity, but 8% of that figure comes from Europe and North America, which is not the sort of 'culture shock' I'm referring to. Third, (again per Wikipedia's numbers), only 5% of the Sweden's population are immigrants/children of immigrants from the Middle East and Northern Africa. Unfortunately, I don't see a time-series, so I don't know how much that number has changed recently. I strongly suspect that 5% figure is considerably more than it was a decade ago -- Sweden recently offered permanent residency for all Middle Eastern asylum seekers due to the Syrian Civil War, so they've been pretty friendly to refugees and migrants. Do you have any numbers for how the demographics in Sweden have changed recently?

Versharl said:
with about the same number of Hungarians in Hungary.
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As for Hungary, I think you missed something from your link:
Note: In 2001 570,537, in 2011 1,455,883 people did not give answer for ethnicity. Percentages calculated excluding these people. Moreover, people were able to give more than one answer on the question asking for the minorities (for example, people were allowed to write Hungarian as their nationality and German as a nationality being influenced by), hence the sum of the above exceeds the number of population.
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...So, of the people who responded, 98% of Hungarians identified as Hungarian. But that refers to nationality, not ethnicity -- as demonstrated by the fact that those same Hungarians could also self-identify as 'influenced by German' (i.e., German ethnicity). Also note:
In the 2001 census only 190 046 (2%) called themselves Roma, but experts and Roma organisations estimate that there are between 450,000 and 1,000,000 Roma living in Hungary.
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If the Roma are any indication, then there's a tendency within Hungary for ethnic minorities to not report themselves as such -- in 2001, somewhere between 50-80% of Roma identified themselves as primarily Hungarian, not Roma. No idea what that means for refugee and migrants from the Middle East, though I'm inclined to say that Hungary's embrace of far-right populism might be a reason for minorities under-reporting themselves.
 
Dark as Silver said:
I'm too horrified to complain about the Necro.
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That's a stupid rule that thankfully doesn't exist on SV.

yidgamer said:
Yeah, I shouldn't have, I just saw this article and wanted to post it.
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You posted something relevant. I don't see why you shouldn't have.
Dark as Silver said:
No its good that you did. If you hadn't I might have continued to live happily without knowing about this other country that seems determined to continue down the path to fascism.
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... Thank god I dodged that bullet.
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While I don't particularly like Orban, he does have a reason for this. The immigrants have caused problems, and most people are justified in saying that they don't like the Roma population. (Quite a few of them say Hungarian is their nationality, so there is more than two percent.) Add in the hatred of basically every neighbour country, and saying that we want only Hungarians is a great political move. (At least I think so)
 
Publicola said:
Do you have any numbers for how the demographics in Sweden have changed recently?
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Sadly, Sweden refuses to ask census questions about people's ethnicity like you said (Same with France) which is why some numbers are pretty vague. I based my estimation on a number from 2011 from Statistics Sweden, which reported that out of a combined population of 9.5 million, 1.43 million(15%) were foreign-born citizens of Sweden while 0.43 million(4.5%) where born in Sweden with two foreign-born parents. Then there's also those born with one ethnic Swedish parent and one foreign-born parent but I can't find the exact numbers on that. Wikipedia says the combined number is 1.9 million, i.e. 20.1 % of the population in 2011 but I can't quite figure out how they got that number. I'm not sure what the exact ratio is between western and non-western immigration but it seems to have been around 40:60 in favour of non-western. I find it difficult to believe that the number has not been skewed in recent years towards more non-western immigrant but I can't be bothered to check.
Now, a lot has happened in the last 6 years in Sweden, particularly in the last couple of years but of course we can't really see the full effect of this on the welfare state yet, which was the original topic of conversation. However, in 2013 115,000 people migrated to Sweden, that's 1.15% of the entire population of Sweden in a single year, which should give a nice sense of scale. In 2015, the number of asylum applications was 160.000.
Publicola said:
So, of the people who responded, 98% of Hungarians identified as Hungarian. But that refers to nationality, not ethnicity -- as demonstrated by the fact that those same Hungarians could also self-identify as 'influenced by German' (i.e., German ethnicity). Also note:
If the Roma are any indication, then there's a tendency within Hungary for ethnic minorities to not report themselves as such -- in 2001, somewhere between 50-80% of Roma identified themselves as primarily Hungarian, not Roma. No idea what that means for refugee and migrants from the Middle East, though I'm inclined to say that Hungary's embrace of far-right populism might be a reason for minorities under-reporting themselves.
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The Roma are an outlier. They are heavily discriminated against in Hungary and are often outside of society, which leaves many without decent education, healthcare and various other benefits. This is nothing new and has pretty much always been the case in Hungary as far as I know. Anyway, Hungary might not've been the best example of ethnic homogeneity but a country like Czechia has a very high homogeniety, since 95% of the population is Czech.
 
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BBBence1111 said:
That's a stupid rule that thankfully doesn't exist on SV.
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I don't need rules to complain about something.
BBBence1111 said:
While I don't particularly like Orban, he does have a reason for this. The immigrants have caused problems, and most people are justified in saying that they don't like the Roma population. (Quite a few of them say Hungarian is their nationality, so there is more than two percent.) Add in the hatred of basically every neighbour country, and saying that we want only Hungarians is a great political move. (At least I think so)
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Oh I'm sure there are ideas but the phrase 'Ethnic Homogenity' and the no mixing comment just make me think about the Nazi Ghettos.
Basically I just think the language used here was very very ominous.
No the situation is not that bad, and no its not likely to become that bad. However it is a step closer, and generally you want as many steps between you and Hitler as possible.
 
So any campaign to win over GOP?,What is our policy for NATO and foreign policy?.

NATO nation is still lacking in contribute to funding,I can understand that want to spend money elsewhere but when you have Russia brethe down your neck..
 
Don't take whatever Orbán says too seriously. He doesn't care about much but power and football these days. This kind of talk gets votes for him from the far roght and he spent the last two years with anti-migration rhetoric. And I say that as a Hungarian who really hates the guy.
 
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