MakeAmericaSaneAgain. A 2016 political campaign.
- Thread starter KarvokaQueen
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Canada
Thorium reactors, perhaps? We should R&D as much science as possible.
I have to say, I have not met the sort of Republicans the proposed platforms would appeal to. Sure, I know people who'd vote for this platform because "well, he's making the right noises and at least he isn't the DemocRAT candidate", but that isn't gonna get QuestPataki through the primary.
In my view, we need a platform of 3 things (under which we shuffle all sorts of detailed policies):
*Greatness
for example:
-includes a strong science policy
-includes support for our troops & support for our allies (but not invading people that meant us no harm)
*Fairness
for example:
-Law and order
-Simpler taxes
-Busting dishonest business-people
-"fair immigration"
*The Economy
for example:
-"support for American industry"
-includes infrastructure spending
-regulation and corporate tax code changes that reward companies for employing citizens, not offshoring jobs or exploiting illegals
So we have 3 snappy sounding planks but we can shuffle all our detailed policies around so the groups interested in those areas can look at the "MASA" website and say "oh, Pataki supports replacing the Hubble Space Telescope with an upgraded and improved space telescope".
But even with the detailed things that go under the 3 main headings, I think it is a good idea to focus on the practical interests of voter groups not the values of voter groups. So far as I understand it (I don't know much about Pataki), Pataki can't really sell himself during the primaries on "values" - there are stronger candidates speaking for those values already. But as far as interests go - I think QuestPataki can be very strong.
fasquardon
In my view, we need a platform of 3 things (under which we shuffle all sorts of detailed policies):
*Greatness
for example:
-includes a strong science policy
-includes support for our troops & support for our allies (but not invading people that meant us no harm)
*Fairness
for example:
-Law and order
-Simpler taxes
-Busting dishonest business-people
-"fair immigration"
*The Economy
for example:
-"support for American industry"
-includes infrastructure spending
-regulation and corporate tax code changes that reward companies for employing citizens, not offshoring jobs or exploiting illegals
So we have 3 snappy sounding planks but we can shuffle all our detailed policies around so the groups interested in those areas can look at the "MASA" website and say "oh, Pataki supports replacing the Hubble Space Telescope with an upgraded and improved space telescope".
But even with the detailed things that go under the 3 main headings, I think it is a good idea to focus on the practical interests of voter groups not the values of voter groups. So far as I understand it (I don't know much about Pataki), Pataki can't really sell himself during the primaries on "values" - there are stronger candidates speaking for those values already. But as far as interests go - I think QuestPataki can be very strong.
fasquardon
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- Location
- Europe
By the way, I think we should include reform of the civil forfeiture process under our Law and Order plank. It's a real problem and is a huge legal loophole that can do real damage to the average law abiding citizen. Just imagine the police seizing the money you were going to buy a car with despite not charging you with any crime with little to no legal recourse. In my opinion it violates fundamental human rights and is a source of corruption in the police force, since the money in many cases is used to fund them directly.
Additionally, we're already focusing on the practical interests(what other kinds of interests are there?) of various voter groups. That's the whole point of presenting these three key planks with a general wide appeal that also ensures that the particular issues of various groups are addressed.(like additional funding for NASA, immigration reform and police bodycams)
I'm not really getting the point here. You want us to shuffle around our various policies into new rather bland and meaningless categories? Nobody is going to be surprised that a candidate supports "fairness" and it's not going to sway them to our side.
Additionally, we're already focusing on the practical interests(what other kinds of interests are there?) of various voter groups. That's the whole point of presenting these three key planks with a general wide appeal that also ensures that the particular issues of various groups are addressed.(like additional funding for NASA, immigration reform and police bodycams)
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I think those broad planks would mean more to primary voters than the other proposed planks.
I may be wrong.
We need to deal with economics more.
NASA, immigration and bodycams are, for most voters, values things, not things that hit them in the bread and butter.
And most Americans I know are NOT happy about their bread and butter.
Giving Pataki some sort of answer to give people when they ask him "how is a vote for YOU going to make me better off" is something I feel is important.
fasquardon
- Location
- Europe
But we are dealing with economics. All our planks have points that attempt to improve the economy either directly or indirectly as well as providing short and long term solutions:
- Tax reform with a focus on helping out small businesses has the potential for both a short and long term economic boost.
- Encouraging (useful) education is going to be hugely important for long term growth.
- Modernizing the infrastructure will immediately provide jobs and kickstart commerce in the areas of where we're improving infrastructure.
- Immigration reform also has the potential for improving the lot of lower-class Americans, since they're currently unable to compete with the wages of illegal immigrants.
- Increasing the budget of NASA is also going to provide a small boost to the economy, since we can encourage them to outsource a lot of the production to private enterprises.(they might already be doing this, I'm honestly not sure)
Vindictus
XENO
- Location
- Texas
While Vox Populi is a fairly well thought out plan, I worry that it's built around appealing to SVers with a tacit nod to 'And this guy is Republican, but, like, sane Republican' in places- Meanwhile, what we need is a plan built around appealing to the Republican Base, with tacit nods to 'And this plan was developed by SV, therefore SCIENCE.'
- Location
- Leeds
Vindictus has touched on the most important issue that none of us have mentioned thus far. How many people on this thread identify as a member of a right wing party? Because I'm willing to bet its a minority.
- Location
- Canada
+1 to this.
Anyone who works in the field of Federally funded science is likely to agree with you. Outside of that rather small demographic, I think few people would.
Yeah, that's pretty far to the right.
fasquardon
- Location
- Europe
Yeah, I doubt even Pataki will be satisfied with the vague "tax reform." Pataki's known for cutting taxes in New York and he's going to do so as well as President. I mean, the dude wants a manufactoring tax rate of 12%. Something we've also entirely neglected is the ACA, which Pataki called "the worst law of my lifetime" in 2015. I like the plan, don't get me wrong, but I don't think it's realistic that Pataki wouldn't at least mention lower tax rates when outlining his important policy planks.
Aside from writing that we want to lower taxes more explicitly, I don't really see what you want us to do.
People aren't as stupid as you assume, particularly not when they have to fill out their tax return yearly. I mean, what do you want us to say? "Our plan is the best plan and it's going to create the best jobs, the most jobs you've ever seen! It's going to be amazing folks!"
Aside from writing that we want to lower taxes more explicitly, I don't really see what you want us to do.
- Location
- Southern Virginia
I wouldn't underrate the desire for an aesthetic of competant, firm governance. Republicans scarcely trust Hillary there due to scandals and partisanship and distrust of her motives/ambitions and disagreement with her fundamental outlook. Pataki is another matter.
That said while we are running outside the Establishment Lane (if not all that far outside it) this is still a very conservative approach. Simpler taxes with lower marginal rates, cutting down burdensome regulations, shifting authority and resources down to the state and local level, etc are not Democratic policies. Our security plank should also end the Defense Department sequester and insure more military spending; could also make taking care of veterans and soldiers as an integral part of People Before Politics, too.
That said, if Lower Taxes and Smaller Government and Competant Governance aren't Republican enough then where can we add red meat? Pataki is not a social conservative and obviously dishonest pandering to them won't work while it would also hurt his image. So I don't really see much or any room to move to the right; better instead to apply basic conservative principles of personal responsibility and local empowerment in new and unique ways to get around the Right/Left dichotomy. And while doing so develop Pataki's image as a firm hand on the wheel to see us through.
That said while we are running outside the Establishment Lane (if not all that far outside it) this is still a very conservative approach. Simpler taxes with lower marginal rates, cutting down burdensome regulations, shifting authority and resources down to the state and local level, etc are not Democratic policies. Our security plank should also end the Defense Department sequester and insure more military spending; could also make taking care of veterans and soldiers as an integral part of People Before Politics, too.
That said, if Lower Taxes and Smaller Government and Competant Governance aren't Republican enough then where can we add red meat? Pataki is not a social conservative and obviously dishonest pandering to them won't work while it would also hurt his image. So I don't really see much or any room to move to the right; better instead to apply basic conservative principles of personal responsibility and local empowerment in new and unique ways to get around the Right/Left dichotomy. And while doing so develop Pataki's image as a firm hand on the wheel to see us through.
- Location
- Jersey CI
As you may be able to tell from my profile pick, I'm a Tory.
I'm centre-right to right-wing in the UK but U.S. Politics is different insofar as many issues which are U.S. Republican's bread and butter issues aren't applicable to me.
I do like the plan, I like it a lot, but this is why I raised the issue of immigration as a point that we need to mention more explicitly.
I'm centre-right to right-wing in the UK but U.S. Politics is different insofar as many issues which are U.S. Republican's bread and butter issues aren't applicable to me.
I do like the plan, I like it a lot, but this is why I raised the issue of immigration as a point that we need to mention more explicitly.
Well let's be honest none of us are politicians and nobody seems to have a better idea. Minimize Pataki's weakpoints, expand his good points and keep him trucking.
Of course this is the election with Trump so shoring up on Debate, Charisma and Issue Familiarity is a necessity while trying to get the THE CAMPAIGN infrastructure running at the same time will be a tricky balancing act.
Of course this is the election with Trump so shoring up on Debate, Charisma and Issue Familiarity is a necessity while trying to get the THE CAMPAIGN infrastructure running at the same time will be a tricky balancing act.
- Location
- Here
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Yeah, lower taxes and decreased government regulation is about as Republican as you can get.
I don't think we want to address specific laws just yet, but I'd say most Republicans would see our "stop wasting money on failed policies" and "reduce government inefficiency" planks as indications we'd get rid of Obamacare.
Corvus Black
The Inestimable
- Location
- England
[X] Plan Vox Populi
- Location
- Canada
Any suggestions on a alternative to Obamacare?
Valkur
The True Valkyria, Valkur!
- Location
- Fólkvangr
Everyone pays for themselves?
- Location
- Pittsburgh PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Force the Drug Companies to stop ripping off consumers?
- Location
- Canada
Ehh, even with that, it's a bit too little. The insurance companies also love to take advantage of poor people, and then not pay them when the times comes to redeem the policies.
The Platform. Planning Mini-turn phase 2.
KarvokaQueen
Queen of the Coffee Cups
- Location
- City of Coffee, Upside-down land
The sun goes down, and everyone leaves. You've got a pretty solid plan together, and as Jeanie hovers impatiently by the door (You are her ride home, again.) You can't help but admire what you've created. Simple. Punchy. You can work with the outline you've hammered out today. The devil will be in the details, of course, but that doesn't bother you. You quickly note down the 'Major planks' and begins to scribble in the margins various notes for tomorrow. Just so you don't forget.
MAJOR PLANKS
1: Secure Our Future
- Extra funding for NASA
- How much? Neil wants around 1 cent on dollar, Pataki not sure. Compromise? But where?
- Encourage high tech and space entrepreneurs
- Note2Self, Call Elon Musk. Also. Find Elon Musk's number. Does he use phones? Possibly.
- STEM and vocational education push
- Emphasise which? Funding? Keep it vague or focus in? C'mon, you went to college you dumb fuck, figure it out!
- Maintain and expand America's technological superiority
- Populist, Feel good crap. Maybe talk up NASA? T.Cruz and Scottie will likely try 2 drop hammer over icnreased funding. Make it a patriotic thing! Space Patriots! Send T.Cruz into space? Maybe. Fire at sun. Cruzmissile! Send that to ad guy. SuperPAC gy as well.
- Push for modernized infrastructure, Including nuclear power
- Jeanie spit her coffie when you talked about this
Probably a good idea to rebrand somehow. Neil said 'Molten salt' and frankly that sound weird as shit but not as bad as 'nookleah powah' so that's a thing.
2: People Over Politics
- Take on Washington Special Interests and Lobbyists
- Pataki wants totalpan ban on congressmen being lobbyists.
- Reform Tax Code to reduce complexity and favor small businesses. Eliminate loopholes
- Simple tax? Flat tax? Should maybe call ATR and Norquist. Try and get them to endorse. Possibly shit idea. Norquist is a cunt.
- Reduce government corruption, porkbarreling, and waste. Restore the Line-Item Veto
-The fuck is the L-I V? Ask George in morning. Also, form congressional ICAC? Food for thought.
- Lean, efficient government that works for the American people
- George floated ideas about cutting congress allowances nd shit. Neil suggested pushing more shit online, making it transparent. hard to hide corrption when everyone can see!
- Stop wasting money on failed policies, update laws that simply don't work anymore (immigration, War on Drugs)
- Ding! Minefield. Avoid WoD as much as possible. Probable deathtrap. Rand is the only other guy doing this and he is getting murdered out there.
3: Safe at Home
- Sentencing and Incarceration Reform to keep violent offenders off the streets, but not waste millions on petty criminals.
- Stolen from Rand. Is good idea though. Could help drive Rand down further before IA. Need him out by NH.
- Community Policing and Bodycams to keep our officers and our citizens safe
- Pretty basic. Should probably condemn 'lawless agitators' as code for BLM. Nobody in the GOP likes them.
- Strong push on enforcing the law, cite Pataki's record in New York
- Jeanie suggested highlighting cross-racial reach of Pataki's enforcement. Not one sided. Might bear mentioning?
- Secure our borders, so 9/11 doesn't happen again. Did we mention Pataki was governor of New York when that happened? Mention it again.
- Goes without saying. 9/11 was horrible, but it is great for you!
Right, with your notes scribbled down, you leave. Jeanie seems anxious about something, but you push it from your mind. It isn't a super long drive to her place, and from there, you drive home. It was a fucking miserable day of long, boring work that has really not worked out too much, but as you crash into your bed, you are fairly confident tomorrow will go better. After all, tomorrow is fleshing everything out. That is going to be fun.
PART 2. THE PLAN.
You haul your tired ass into the meeting room. Fucking christ are you exhausted. Yesterday was just so long. As you fall into your chair, you notice neil is already there. What kind of drugs does he take to be awake and excited this fucking early? You pour some whiskey, and light up a cigar. Neil clearly doesn't approve, but it is 7am. You can't even remember the last time you woke up before 7am. Fucking work, it is a killer! You take a long push, before resting it on the ashtray. "Why are you so excited? I've seen people hopped up on a speedball less excited than you are" You snark, as you drain your whiskey. Neil just laughs.
"Science is it's own drug, you drunk." Yep. You don't even want to know what kind of toxins he's got pumping through him. Probably half the coke in NYC, judging by that stupidly wide grin. It doesn't take much longer for George to walk in. Jeanie sits at the other end of the table and you all begin to lay into work. It was goign to be a long day, even longer than the other. But what do you spend most of it doing?
[] Refining the major planks. You need these to be perfect, on point works of art tailored to the Republican base. You can shift them a bit at a later date, but right now this is the most important thing.
[] Smaller planks. You can't just have three issues. What are you, Donald Trump? You need meat on the bone, and while what you have is good, throwing some more red meat to the base would be a good idea. You've only budgeted three days to hammer everything out, so you need to work fast.
You may pick up to eight minor planks, and must select at a minimum, four. Depending on what you focus on today, will affect the end result of your planks. If you chose to focus on refining your Major planks, they will be more on point, and in tune with the campaign, if you chose to focus on minor planks, your minor planks will be more fleshed out and meaty, making people have more to latch onto with the campaign. Take a pick at your own risk!
MAJOR PLANKS
1: Secure Our Future
- Extra funding for NASA
- How much? Neil wants around 1 cent on dollar, Pataki not sure. Compromise? But where?
- Encourage high tech and space entrepreneurs
- Note2Self, Call Elon Musk. Also. Find Elon Musk's number. Does he use phones? Possibly.
- STEM and vocational education push
- Emphasise which? Funding? Keep it vague or focus in? C'mon, you went to college you dumb fuck, figure it out!
- Maintain and expand America's technological superiority
- Populist, Feel good crap. Maybe talk up NASA? T.Cruz and Scottie will likely try 2 drop hammer over icnreased funding. Make it a patriotic thing! Space Patriots! Send T.Cruz into space? Maybe. Fire at sun. Cruzmissile! Send that to ad guy. SuperPAC gy as well.
- Push for modernized infrastructure, Including nuclear power
- Jeanie spit her coffie when you talked about this
Probably a good idea to rebrand somehow. Neil said 'Molten salt' and frankly that sound weird as shit but not as bad as 'nookleah powah' so that's a thing.2: People Over Politics
- Take on Washington Special Interests and Lobbyists
- Pataki wants total
- Reform Tax Code to reduce complexity and favor small businesses. Eliminate loopholes
- Simple tax? Flat tax? Should maybe call ATR and Norquist. Try and get them to endorse. Possibly shit idea. Norquist is a cunt.
- Reduce government corruption, porkbarreling, and waste. Restore the Line-Item Veto
-The fuck is the L-I V? Ask George in morning. Also, form congressional ICAC? Food for thought.
- Lean, efficient government that works for the American people
- George floated ideas about cutting congress allowances nd shit. Neil suggested pushing more shit online, making it transparent. hard to hide corrption when everyone can see!
- Stop wasting money on failed policies, update laws that simply don't work anymore (immigration, War on Drugs)
- Ding! Minefield. Avoid WoD as much as possible. Probable deathtrap. Rand is the only other guy doing this and he is getting murdered out there.
3: Safe at Home
- Sentencing and Incarceration Reform to keep violent offenders off the streets, but not waste millions on petty criminals.
- Stolen from Rand. Is good idea though. Could help drive Rand down further before IA. Need him out by NH.
- Community Policing and Bodycams to keep our officers and our citizens safe
- Pretty basic. Should probably condemn 'lawless agitators' as code for BLM. Nobody in the GOP likes them.
- Strong push on enforcing the law, cite Pataki's record in New York
- Jeanie suggested highlighting cross-racial reach of Pataki's enforcement. Not one sided. Might bear mentioning?
- Secure our borders, so 9/11 doesn't happen again. Did we mention Pataki was governor of New York when that happened? Mention it again.
- Goes without saying. 9/11 was horrible, but it is great for you!
Right, with your notes scribbled down, you leave. Jeanie seems anxious about something, but you push it from your mind. It isn't a super long drive to her place, and from there, you drive home. It was a fucking miserable day of long, boring work that has really not worked out too much, but as you crash into your bed, you are fairly confident tomorrow will go better. After all, tomorrow is fleshing everything out. That is going to be fun.
PART 2. THE PLAN.
You haul your tired ass into the meeting room. Fucking christ are you exhausted. Yesterday was just so long. As you fall into your chair, you notice neil is already there. What kind of drugs does he take to be awake and excited this fucking early? You pour some whiskey, and light up a cigar. Neil clearly doesn't approve, but it is 7am. You can't even remember the last time you woke up before 7am. Fucking work, it is a killer! You take a long push, before resting it on the ashtray. "Why are you so excited? I've seen people hopped up on a speedball less excited than you are" You snark, as you drain your whiskey. Neil just laughs.
"Science is it's own drug, you drunk." Yep. You don't even want to know what kind of toxins he's got pumping through him. Probably half the coke in NYC, judging by that stupidly wide grin. It doesn't take much longer for George to walk in. Jeanie sits at the other end of the table and you all begin to lay into work. It was goign to be a long day, even longer than the other. But what do you spend most of it doing?
[] Refining the major planks. You need these to be perfect, on point works of art tailored to the Republican base. You can shift them a bit at a later date, but right now this is the most important thing.
[] Smaller planks. You can't just have three issues. What are you, Donald Trump? You need meat on the bone, and while what you have is good, throwing some more red meat to the base would be a good idea. You've only budgeted three days to hammer everything out, so you need to work fast.
You may pick up to eight minor planks, and must select at a minimum, four. Depending on what you focus on today, will affect the end result of your planks. If you chose to focus on refining your Major planks, they will be more on point, and in tune with the campaign, if you chose to focus on minor planks, your minor planks will be more fleshed out and meaty, making people have more to latch onto with the campaign. Take a pick at your own risk!
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- Location
- Moon-Station
[X] Smaller planks. You can't just have three issues. What are you, Donald Trump? You need meat on the bone, and while what you have is good, throwing some more red meat to the base would be a good idea. You've only budgeted three days to hammer everything out, so you need to work fast.
Artemis
What's a pirate's least favourite letter?
- Location
- The Seven Seas
Nothing wrong with three planks if they're done well. Specifically, nothing wrong in the primaries if they're done well. But if we want to get everyone, then we're gonna need some more feelers for everyone.
[X] Smaller planks.
[X] Smaller planks.