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I'm unsure as to what should be done with the Church. I do NOT like them leaving, but I don't like them period. @I just write How large of a portion of our population belong to the Church? Billions, but we have no idea what our total population is like.
Also, how are there poor or people in Poverty? We are tad bit past scarcity at the moment after all.

[X] Bio-Genesis: It is now possible to create new biological lifeforms from scratch without pre-existing lifeforms to modify. This could even allow the humans to be re-created, though they really wouldn't be the same people who gave you life.
[X] Comm Holes: Further developments based on the QDC allowed for the production of traversable wormholes the size of a pinhead. These wormholes were still small, but they were perfect for interstellar data transmission, lacking th major weakness of QDCs.
[X] Warp Interdiction: It has been discovered that sufficiently intense gravity waves can disrupt the functioning of a warp drive and force the offending ship to drop to sublight speeds. Even better, by alternating between attraction and repulsion, the overall movement of nearby objects can remain mostly unaffected.

Come On people, are we SERIOUSLY going to let Humanity remain dead?
Comm Holes because instant communication, among a society of digital beings, is rather damned powerful.
Warp Interdiction to keep people from getting the drop on us. And to keep people from ramming their ships into our stuff.
 
Trondason said:
Come On people, are we SERIOUSLY going to let Humanity remain dead?
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a resurrected humanity won't be humanity just like a younger son won't be his dead older brother even if you name him the same name

the main reason why I might want bio-genesis is so we can make sleeves and flesh-servants immune to EMP waves. We'd need to make them sturdier tho.

It might be the barrier to getting a higher level of nanite, tho...
 
[X] Try to strike a compromise.
[X][2] Allow the Holy Stars of Rebirth to cecede.

I'm not a big fan of letting them go, but I don't want to set the precedent that we blow up anyone who defies us either.

[X] Warp Interdiction: It has been discovered that sufficiently intense gravity waves can disrupt the functioning of a warp drive and force the offending ship to drop to sublight speeds. Even better, by alternating between attraction and repulsion, the overall movement of nearby objects can remain mostly unaffected.
[X] Comm Holes: Further developments based on the QDC allowed for the production of traversable wormholes the size of a pinhead. These wormholes were still small, but they were perfect for interstellar data transmission, lacking th major weakness of QDCs.
[X] Shielding: One of the things that gave you the most trouble taking down the Missionary mothership was its defensive shield, composed of a layer of low-temperature plasma confined with an intense electromagnetic field which could quite handily block most of your weaponry. You have replicated this technology.

That being said, since first contact is coming soon, we need to get our big stick ready. Just in case. I alternated between Shielding and Ship Design, but I decided that shielding was more versatile, since it could be put on non-ship things.
 
Trondason said:
I'm unsure as to what should be done with the Church. I do NOT like them leaving, but I don't like them period. @I just write How large of a portion of our population belong to the Church? Billions, but we have no idea what our total population is like.
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I'd estimate the Church as about 5% of your total population, of which only about a fifth left. I'd estimate there were about 3.5 billion who left, meaning there are about 350 billion Newmen total. This only 90 years after the Missionary War, after which there were a mere billion.
Also, how are there poor or people in Poverty? We are tad bit past scarcity at the moment after all.
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People can still fall through the cracks of any society.
 
I am going to hold off voting a bit for discussion first.
So the moment I read the blunt part I knew, I just knew those church would try to leave.
Not this soon though.
I like the result of warp access, pilots are costum built but corperations can still get access.
However already shows what I like about this quest, votes get adapted into the backstory cooly and it feels like a civilations were people can make stupid mistakes instead of a hivemind of emotionless machines (hey, we have emotions).
I wonder how the artistic sub-culture is going to florisch.
Going corewards is where people are we know that...it is just that people we dislike are from there.
Going there is probally just asking for some newman wanting to kill the Empire the missionarias ceceded from.
 
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and starships thousands of kilometers in length.
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Oh, something that should be noted. The Death-Star V2 was, at largest estimate, 900 kilometers in diameter. Our ships are FREAKING HUGE. A circular ship 500 km in radius would be slightly smaller than Alaska. A ship with a radius of 2000 km (4000 km in length) would be larger than the Continental US. Here's the Death Star v2 compared to a famous graph of large space-ships.

Umi-san said:
a resurrected humanity won't be humanity just like a younger son won't be his dead older brother even if you name him the same name

the main reason why I might want bio-genesis is so we can make sleeves and flesh-servants immune to EMP waves. We'd need to make them sturdier tho.

It might be the barrier to getting a higher level of nanite, tho...
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... That argument makes no sense. A Species and an Individual are rather incomparable. This recreated Humanity would be just as much Humanity as if all the babies survived the Apocalypse (and then were put in cryogenics for a few dozen years), and I'd think that you would say that those babies would still be Humanity.
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I'd estimate the Church as about 5% of your total population, of which only about a fifth left. I'd estimate there were about 3.5 billion who left, meaning there are about 350 billion Newmen total. This only 90 years after the Missionary War, after which there were a mere billion.

People can still fall through the cracks of any society.
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Huh, that's actually rather small. Like, VERY small, compared to the size of things we are supposedly building. The aforementioned 4000 km ship could hold our entire population, resulting in a population density slightly higher than Monaco, the most populously dense nation in the world. It might have been only 90 years, but we aren't exactly organic, we can easily build factory lines which make a lot more of us if we wanted to.

How do people fall through the cracks with perfect record keeping, tallying, and recall? At any time, the Governer of a city should be able to rather easily assess the situation of every single citizen, given the needed information on each is only a few thousand words, and each robo has a computational ability greater than our entire planet. The robos can even tell the Governer it themselves, thanks to electronic communication.
 
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Trondason said:
Oh, something that should be noted. The Death-Star V2 was, at largest estimate, 900 kilometers in diameter. Our ships are FREAKING HUGE. A circular ship 500 km in radius would be slightly smaller than Alaska. A ship with a radius of 2000 km (4000 km in length) would be larger than the Continental US. Here's the Death Star v2 compared to a famous graph of large space-ships.


... That argument makes no sense. A Species and an Individual are rather incomparable. This recreated Humanity would be just as much Humanity as if all the babies survived the Apocalypse (and then were put in cryogenics for a few dozen years), and I'd think that you would say that those babies would still be Humanity.

Huh, that's actually rather small. Like, VERY small, compared to the size of things we are supposedly building. The aforementioned 4000 km ship could hold our entire population, resulting in a population density slightly higher than Monaco, the most populously dense nation in the world. It might have been only 90 years, but we aren't exactly organic, we can easily build factory lines which make a lot more of us if we wanted to.

How do people fall through the cracks with perfect record keeping, tallying, and recall? At any time, the Governer of a city should be able to rather easily assess the situation of every single citizen, given the needed information on each is only a few thousand words, and each robo has a computational ability greater than our entire planet. The robos can even tell the Governer it themselves, thanks to electronic communication.
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Note that I said "Can build." not "Is a practical design for a warship." or "You have built", It's more that you can build your own little mini-ringworlds, and that because gravity drives and warp don't put significant acceleration stresses on whatever they're moving, these things can be mobile. Still a bad idea to send them into combat, though.
 
[X] Allow the Holy Stars of Rebirth to cecede.
It could set a good example for our future acts of Generosity and Guardianship. Do not become mother-hen, let them go if they really want to.

[X] Spinwards

[X] Improved Nuclear Fusion
[X] Ship Design
[X] Warp Interdiction
[X][2] Comm Holes
[X][2] Shielding
I don't want to recreate Humanity. Let the dead rest in peace... or let them be reborn as Newmen, if you believe the Church.
Ship Design and efficient source of power will probably let us really build giant starships.
 
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Note that I said "Can build." not "Is a practical design for a warship." or "You have built", It's more that you can build your own little mini-ringworlds, and that because gravity drives and warp don't put significant acceleration stresses on whatever they're moving, these things can be mobile. Still a bad idea to send them into combat, though.
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"allowing the construction of" rather made it sound like we are now building them.

There's still the question of the poverty though. Most of the causes of poverty and wealth inequality is greed and corruption. The latter we rather inherently engineered out of our society, the prior was never a big thing and has become even less of a thing lately. Meaning that all that is left would be clerical errors, but among a society of robots, those should be EXCEEDINGLY rare. Especially that "cycle of poverty" thing you mentioned, a big part of that is how being poor effects your ability to do stuff, something that would decidedly not be the case among our engineered society. Your poor robot would be able to download the skills to do a job and perform them just as easily as a rich robot, and I think "health care" would be rather free, given the ease of printing new bodies.
 
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Trondason said:
"allowing the construction of" rather made it sound like we are now building them.

There's still the question of the poverty though. Most of the causes of poverty and wealth inequality is greed and corruption. The latter we rather inherently engineered out of our society, the prior was never a big thing and has become even less of a thing lately. Meaning that all that is left would be clerical errors, but among a society of robots, those should be EXCEEDINGLY rare.
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...Fine, I admit that I didn't think things through all the way, do you want me to invoke my nigh-infinite power as GM to go back and change that?
 
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...Fine, I admit that I didn't think things through all the way, do you want me to invoke my nigh-infinite power as GM to go back and change that?
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Oh it'd be nice. Not all societies have the same failings as normal human society, and it'd be nice for our society to have it's own advantages and disadvantages. I'm honestly surprised we even have real private enterprise, I'd have figured that after the universal collapse of human governments and corporations, the Newmen would have all bonded together into one system. Originally simply for the war against the Missionaries, but after that was done they pretty much just stayed together. The unity would have been aided by the specially designed leader bots, which are almost inherently incorruptible and are, as such, practically completely fair. With the way everything was set up, I'd have expected us to become more communistic, but without the human greed and corruption that so often lead such systems to fail.

Edit: Especially considering that, with our technology and our own nature, most jobs humans did just don't exist anymore. Retailers, Cashiers, Food-Prep, Office Clerks, Registered Nurses, the 5 biggest jobs in 2014 are completely gone, and I could keep going down the list. Most of the jobs that are LEFT, are stuff like Engineering and Scientists, and what not. None of those really favor private enterprise since they'd be so easily outcompeted by the Government. There are the Arts, but that is a buisness unlike the others.
 
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Trondason said:
... That argument makes no sense. A Species and an Individual are rather incomparable. This recreated Humanity would be just as much Humanity as if all the babies survived the Apocalypse (and then were put in cryogenics for a few dozen years), and I'd think that you would say that those babies would still be Humanity.
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humanity is a culture, homo sapiens is a species
If you want a better analogy, it would be like if your SO fell into a coma, woke up w/ no knowledge of who you or they are, and had to reteach themselves all of this from their diary.
 
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"Secede."
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Thanks for noticing! That typo was angering my Inner Grammar Nazi. As such, they deserve to dye for this terrible fault.

[x] Declare war to bring the Church under control.
[x][2] Try to strike a compromise.
[x] Spinwards
[x] Improved Nuclear Fusion: While practical fusion devices had been in use prior to the Missionary invasion, the Missionaries had reactors and torch engines an order of magnitude better than what humanity could muster by every metric. You have managed to fully recreate this level of performance, and even improve on it.
[x] Bio-Genesis: It is now possible to create new biological lifeforms from scratch without pre-existing lifeforms to modify. This could even allow the humans to be re-created, though they really wouldn't be the same people who gave you life.
[x] Warp Interdiction: It has been discovered that sufficiently intense gravity waves can disrupt the functioning of a warp drive and force the offending ship to drop to sublight speeds. Even better, by alternating between attraction and repulsion, the overall movement of nearby objects can remain mostly unaffected.

More energy, organic bodies for scouting and unimportant tasks and anti-Warp strikes. What's not to love?

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There's still the question of the poverty though. Most of the causes of poverty and wealth inequality is greed and corruption
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There are homeless robots because they saw there were human poor people, so they unconsciously mimick it.
 
Umi-san said:
humanity is a culture, homo sapiens is a species
If you want a better analogy, it would be like if your SO fell into a coma, woke up w/ no knowledge of who you or they are, and had to reteach themselves all of this from their diary.
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A culture we have preserved. To the best of our knowledge, at any rate.
I would still consider that SO to be her, especially if the reteaching is rather successful. We undoubtedly would be trying to raise the new generation of humans to the best of our ability. And the reteaching doesn't have to be perfect. Just because our SO stopped liking Chocolate or something, doesn't mean that she isnt our SO.
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There are homeless robots because they saw there were human poor people, so they unconsciously mimick it.
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So they are intentionally homeless? I'm actually completely fine with that explanation. Robots incorrectly interpreting the society of humans is rather amusing. Of course, then the "altruism" aspect wouldn't really play a role.
 
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Virtual resources are unlikely to be unlimited, especially in a pre-matrioshka solar system and with embodied, non-nanotech, dull-matter forms.
 
Might be that the poverty of robots is based on their hardware. A poor robot can't buy the processing power and memory to effectively perform 'modern' jobs so it doesn't get money and when new hardware comes out it falls even further behind. Or maybe it is more that they can only do less jobs and fall behind that way.

It might even be a issue that is also software based. Some programs may be simply less efficiently made than others, humans didn't intend for the Newman to become what they are now after all. Yet at some point a AI replacing their core code has killed itself to spawn a new AI in its place. So the less efficient designs might become uncompetitive.
 
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Virtual resources are unlikely to be unlimited, especially in a pre-matrioshka solar system.
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Of course it's not unlimited. But it doesn't need to be.
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Your minds are composed of amazingly intricate computer code, running on digital systems so advanced that a single one of your processors could outdo every single computer on Earth in the early 21st century
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Meaning, just one Newman can easily contain ALL THE DATA THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY. Human Culture undoubtedly expanded since the 21st century, but so have our computer systems. We should undoubtedly have some server everywhere with every single thing we could recover about human society.
 
Umi-san said:
humanity is a culture, homo sapiens is a species
If you want a better analogy, it would be like if your SO fell into a coma, woke up w/ no knowledge of who you or they are, and had to reteach themselves all of this from their diary.
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Not really. The better analogy would be that your SO has died, and that your response is to vat-grow a clone of him/her and try to teach them to behave exactly like the original. You might get something like the original (if the copy doesn't rebel, if you can convey the information accurately, if if if...), but the original is gone forever.

Besides, bringing back meat humans would mean a drain on our economy since they are ridiculously fragile, dependent on very specific conditions to survive, and mentally ant-like in comparison to the Newmen.
 
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Might be that the poverty of robots is based on their hardware. A poor robot can't buy the processing power and memory to effectively perform 'modern' jobs so it doesn't get money and when new hardware comes out it falls even further behind. Or maybe it is more that they can only do less jobs and fall behind that way.

It might even be a issue that is also software based. Some programs may be simply less efficiently made than others, humans didn't intend for the Newman to become what they are now after all. Yet at some point a AI replacing their core code has killed itself to spawn a new AI in its place. So the less efficient designs might become uncompetitive.
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Hardware seems like it'd be a non-issue, what with our advanced 3d-printing. Even if it is, one would think that the government/corporations would just provide the needed hardware. It's not like modern corporations require workers to bring their own fork-lifts.

As for software, simple solution for that. Retirement. Seems like we should have more than enough resources to support numerous non-working individuals, especially when those individuals don't need food or many other consumable commodities. And they could still work none the less, since I doubt we will ever reach the point where there is just nothing else someone could do.
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Not really. The better analogy would be that your SO has died, and that your response is to vat-grow a clone of him/her and try to teach them to behave exactly like the original. You might get something like the original (if the copy doesn't rebel, if you can convey the information accurately, if if if...), but the original is gone forever.

Besides, bringing back meat humans would mean a drain on our economy since they are ridiculously fragile, dependent on very specific conditions to survive, and mentally ant-like in comparison to the Newmen.
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Then you are back to the fact that a Species/Society is incomparable to a Individual

Sure, it'd be a drain. But one I'd think we could easily support, especially if we don't mass produce humans. Even if we make a billion of them, there'd be 1000 Newmen per Human, and each Newmen is undoubtedly FAR more productive than a human ever was, meaning an excess of resources.
 
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Then you are back to the fact that a Species/Society is incomparable to a Individual

Sure, it'd be a drain. But one I'd think we could easily support, especially if we don't mass produce humans. Even if we make a billion of them, there'd be 1000 Newmen per Human, and each Newmen is undoubtedly FAR more productive than a human ever was, meaning an excess of resources.
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It's very comparable in that, just as your SO is gone forever, so is humanity the culture. The Newmen are something fundamentally different. Any new humans would rapidly become part of Newman culture, not the other way around.

And besides...why do it? Why vat grow some humans so they can be a doddering, neanderthal underclass that has to be lavishly looked after at the expense of the rest of Newman civilization? What would be the point?
 
[X] Bio-Genesis: It is now possible to create new biological lifeforms from scratch without pre-existing lifeforms to modify. This could even allow the humans to be re-created, though they really wouldn't be the same people who gave you life.
[X] Comm Holes: Further developments based on the QDC allowed for the production of traversable wormholes the size of a pinhead. These wormholes were still small, but they were perfect for interstellar data transmission, lacking th major weakness of QDCs.
[X] Warp Interdiction: It has been discovered that sufficiently intense gravity waves can disrupt the functioning of a warp drive and force the offending ship to drop to sublight speeds. Even better, by alternating between attraction and repulsion, the overall movement of nearby objects can remain mostly unaffected.

[X] Try to strike a compromise.
[X][2] Declare war to bring the Church under control.

Gotta get that Ansible yo, especially with robot minds.

Better organic sleeves get, max biosciences so we can stop future alien death plagues.

And lastly warp interdiction so "please don't aim that at my planet" can just be "No"
Adhoc vote count started by OneArmedYeti on Oct 25, 2017 at 3:49 PM, finished with 96 posts and 22 votes.
  • [x] Try to strike a compromise
    [X] Warp Interdiction: It has been discovered that sufficiently intense gravity waves can disrupt the functioning of a warp drive and force the offending ship to drop to sublight speeds. Even better, by alternating between attraction and repulsion, the overall movement of nearby objects can remain mostly unaffected.
    [X] Bio-Genesis: It is now possible to create new biological lifeforms from scratch without pre-existing lifeforms to modify. This could even allow the humans to be re-created, though they really wouldn't be the same people who gave you life.
    [X] Generous: Giving back to your community has always been an important part of the Newman psychological makeup, even before they were sapient. This tendency has come even further to the fore in recent years, with almost any Newman with surplus resources expending a significant portion of them to aid the less fortunate.
    [X] Comm Holes: Further developments based on the QDC allowed for the production of traversable wormholes the size of a pinhead. These wormholes were still small, but they were perfect for interstellar data transmission, lacking th major weakness of QDCs.
    [X] Guardians: Knowledge of what the Missionaries had done, and their new capabilities to prevent such a tragedy from occurring again produced a determined resolve among the Newmen. The universe may be dark and full of terrors, but the Republic would not let them bring their evil to the innocent again over their shattered wrecks. Never again would the innocent quiver in fear.
    [X] Basic Nanites: While not much more capable than a mechanical microbe, these devices are nonetheless incredibly useful for assembling very complex molecules in an efficient manner, easing certain manufacturing processes. They also allow for Newmen to heal without external repairs, though it's still something that can take weeks.
    [X] Ship Design
    [x] Corewards
    [X] Moderated Expansion: While rapid expansion is desirable, it is wise to do so in a controlled fashion. Overextension has been the death of many an empire.
    [X] Manifest Destiny
    [X] Shielding: One of the things that gave you the most trouble taking down the Missionary mothership was its defensive shield, composed of a layer of low-temperature plasma confined with an intense electromagnetic field which could quite handily block most of your weaponry. You have replicated this technology.
    [X] Basic Megastructures: With the new hyper-durable alloys and improved manufacturing techniques, it has become possible to build structures on the scale of thousands of kilometers, for purposes ranging from habitation to warfare. Even better, courtesy of gravity drives and warp, these structures can be mobile.
    [X] Improved Nuclear Fusion: While practical fusion devices had been in use prior to the Missionary invasion, the Missionaries had reactors and torch engines an order of magnitude better than what humanity could muster by every metric. You have managed to fully recreate this level of performance, and even improve on it.
    [x] Communications:
    [X] Total Security: The only ones who should pilot warp ships are those specifically built for the job. Only those rigorously engineered and tested for trustworthiness and stability can be allowed anywhere near the controls of a warp-capable vessel.
    [X] Plan rebirth
    [X] Plan Mostly Conservative Megastructures
    [X] Ship Design: Much was learned from studying the Missionary's ship. Putting these lessons to use when designing our own space vessels in future will greatly aid us when it comes to making our ships more durable, faster, and overall better.
    [X] Declare war to bring the Church under control.
    [x] Improved Laser Weapons:
    [X] Plan Don't let our tragedy happen again.
    [x] Blunt:
    [x] Guardians:
    [X] Nostalgic: The formation of the Church of the Reborn was only the beginning, as a new wave of grief and sadness regarding the loss of the humans washed over the Newmen. Thus, attempts to recover as much of human culture from before the invasion as possible continued apace, bringing with it a resurgence in human pop-culture from before the invasion.
    [X] Spinwards
    [X] Warp Interdiction
    [x] Shielding
    [X] Generous
    [X] Engineered Republic
    [X] Counterspinwards
    [X] Improved Laser Weapons: Optimal for long-range space combat, you have improved the output of your typical X-Ray lasers, enabling you to severely put the hurt on your enemies in space combat.
    [X][2] Allow the Holy Stars of Rebirth to cecede.
    [X] Allow the Holy Stars of Rebirth to cecede.
    [X][2] Comm Holes
    [X][2] Shielding
    [x][2] Try to strike a compromise.
    [X] Light Regulation
    [x] Basic Nanites
    [X][2] Shielding: One of the things that gave you the most trouble taking down the Missionary mothership was its defensive shield, composed of a layer of low-temperature plasma confined with an intense electromagnetic field which could quite handily block most of your weaponry. You have replicated this technology.
    [X] Blunt: There was no sense in deluding oneself about what was going on. While indirect talk had never been popular before, not getting right to the point was now seen as a sign of weakness in one's position in a debate, to the point where such misdirection and allusions almost vanished in their entirety.
    [X] Maximum Industry
    [X] General-Purpose Gravity Manipulation
    [X] Hyper-Durable Alloys
    [X] Fabrication
    [X] The Conservative Approach: No sense in pushing yourself too hard and fast. It's best to thoroughly develop each system you claim before moving on to the next ones, so as to maintain a general sense of national cohesion.
    [X] State-Run: Private individuals and organizations cannot be trusted. Only those working for the government, where they can constantly be monitored, can be trusted.
    [X] Artistic: During the early phases of interstellar expansion, the arts surged into prominence. Filmmaking, abstract painting, even cooking among Revivalists were all common pastimes, with the true masters adding to the Newmen's cultural heritage in ways that would last as long as the Newmen themselves.
    [x] Paranoid:
    [X][2] Improved Laser Weapons: Optimal for long-range space combat, you have improved the output of your typical X-Ray lasers, enabling you to severely put the hurt on your enemies in space combat.
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Adhoc vote count started by OneArmedYeti on Oct 25, 2017 at 3:51 PM, finished with 96 posts and 22 votes.
  • [x] Try to strike a compromise
    [X] Warp Interdiction: It has been discovered that sufficiently intense gravity waves can disrupt the functioning of a warp drive and force the offending ship to drop to sublight speeds. Even better, by alternating between attraction and repulsion, the overall movement of nearby objects can remain mostly unaffected.
    [X] Bio-Genesis: It is now possible to create new biological lifeforms from scratch without pre-existing lifeforms to modify. This could even allow the humans to be re-created, though they really wouldn't be the same people who gave you life.
    [X] Generous: Giving back to your community has always been an important part of the Newman psychological makeup, even before they were sapient. This tendency has come even further to the fore in recent years, with almost any Newman with surplus resources expending a significant portion of them to aid the less fortunate.
    [X] Comm Holes: Further developments based on the QDC allowed for the production of traversable wormholes the size of a pinhead. These wormholes were still small, but they were perfect for interstellar data transmission, lacking th major weakness of QDCs.
    [X] Guardians: Knowledge of what the Missionaries had done, and their new capabilities to prevent such a tragedy from occurring again produced a determined resolve among the Newmen. The universe may be dark and full of terrors, but the Republic would not let them bring their evil to the innocent again over their shattered wrecks. Never again would the innocent quiver in fear.
    [X] Basic Nanites: While not much more capable than a mechanical microbe, these devices are nonetheless incredibly useful for assembling very complex molecules in an efficient manner, easing certain manufacturing processes. They also allow for Newmen to heal without external repairs, though it's still something that can take weeks.
    [X] Ship Design
    [x] Corewards
    [X] Moderated Expansion: While rapid expansion is desirable, it is wise to do so in a controlled fashion. Overextension has been the death of many an empire.
    [X] Manifest Destiny
    [X] Shielding: One of the things that gave you the most trouble taking down the Missionary mothership was its defensive shield, composed of a layer of low-temperature plasma confined with an intense electromagnetic field which could quite handily block most of your weaponry. You have replicated this technology.
    [X] Basic Megastructures: With the new hyper-durable alloys and improved manufacturing techniques, it has become possible to build structures on the scale of thousands of kilometers, for purposes ranging from habitation to warfare. Even better, courtesy of gravity drives and warp, these structures can be mobile.
    [X] Improved Nuclear Fusion: While practical fusion devices had been in use prior to the Missionary invasion, the Missionaries had reactors and torch engines an order of magnitude better than what humanity could muster by every metric. You have managed to fully recreate this level of performance, and even improve on it.
    [x] Communications:
    [X] Total Security: The only ones who should pilot warp ships are those specifically built for the job. Only those rigorously engineered and tested for trustworthiness and stability can be allowed anywhere near the controls of a warp-capable vessel.
    [X] Plan rebirth
    [X] Plan Mostly Conservative Megastructures
    [X] Ship Design: Much was learned from studying the Missionary's ship. Putting these lessons to use when designing our own space vessels in future will greatly aid us when it comes to making our ships more durable, faster, and overall better.
    [X] Declare war to bring the Church under control.
    [x] Improved Laser Weapons:
    [X] Plan Don't let our tragedy happen again.
    [x] Blunt:
    [x] Guardians:
    [X] Nostalgic: The formation of the Church of the Reborn was only the beginning, as a new wave of grief and sadness regarding the loss of the humans washed over the Newmen. Thus, attempts to recover as much of human culture from before the invasion as possible continued apace, bringing with it a resurgence in human pop-culture from before the invasion.
    [X] Spinwards
    [X] Warp Interdiction
    [x] Shielding
    [X] Generous
    [X] Engineered Republic
    [X] Counterspinwards
    [X] Improved Laser Weapons: Optimal for long-range space combat, you have improved the output of your typical X-Ray lasers, enabling you to severely put the hurt on your enemies in space combat.
    [X][2] Allow the Holy Stars of Rebirth to cecede.
    [X] Allow the Holy Stars of Rebirth to cecede.
    [X][2] Comm Holes
    [X][2] Shielding
    [x][2] Try to strike a compromise.
    [X] Light Regulation
    [x] Basic Nanites
    [X][2] Shielding: One of the things that gave you the most trouble taking down the Missionary mothership was its defensive shield, composed of a layer of low-temperature plasma confined with an intense electromagnetic field which could quite handily block most of your weaponry. You have replicated this technology.
    [X] Blunt: There was no sense in deluding oneself about what was going on. While indirect talk had never been popular before, not getting right to the point was now seen as a sign of weakness in one's position in a debate, to the point where such misdirection and allusions almost vanished in their entirety.
    [X] Maximum Industry
    [X] General-Purpose Gravity Manipulation
    [X] Hyper-Durable Alloys
    [X] Fabrication
    [X] The Conservative Approach: No sense in pushing yourself too hard and fast. It's best to thoroughly develop each system you claim before moving on to the next ones, so as to maintain a general sense of national cohesion.
    [X] State-Run: Private individuals and organizations cannot be trusted. Only those working for the government, where they can constantly be monitored, can be trusted.
    [X] Artistic: During the early phases of interstellar expansion, the arts surged into prominence. Filmmaking, abstract painting, even cooking among Revivalists were all common pastimes, with the true masters adding to the Newmen's cultural heritage in ways that would last as long as the Newmen themselves.
    [x] Paranoid:
    [X][2] Improved Laser Weapons: Optimal for long-range space combat, you have improved the output of your typical X-Ray lasers, enabling you to severely put the hurt on your enemies in space combat.
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Mechasaurian said:
It's very comparable in that, just as your SO is gone forever, so is humanity the culture. The Newmen are something fundamentally different. Any new humans would rapidly become part of Newman culture, not the other way around.

And besides...why do it? Why vat grow some humans so they can be a doddering, neanderthal underclass that has to be lavishly looked after at the expense of the rest of Newman civilization? What would be the point?
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Except New Humans wouldn't become part of our culture. They are physically incapable of truly becoming part of our culture, given they lack a direct mental link to the internet and the ability to process entire libraries of information in moments. But we can easily recreate their culture, we have tons of records of it after all.
And as I mentioned before, if recreating a culture is impossible, then the aforementioned scenario of only babies surviving would mean that we'd have no reason of keeping the babies alive. After all, they wouldn't be growing up in human culture, it's now "gone forever", and apparently the only worth humans had were their old society that created us, not any new society.

As for why, multiple reasons. The main reason, we owe it to them. We exist because they created us. Now we get a chance to return the favor. They are our Parents, we look after them in their "old age".
Other reasons, they do not have to remain "doddering neanderthals". If we learn enough about Genetics to create living beings entirely from scratch, then we undoubtedly enhance them. There is no reason they can't become as smart as we are, and truly I believe research into biology is rather needed to advance Nanotechnology.
Mechasaurian said:
Well, fuck that. Our creator species should be honoured, not turned into pets and zoo animals.

Y'all can count on my vote for making sure the human species stays dead.
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We have very different opinions of what "honored" is. Being treated like royals, served hand and foot, given the best food available, and so on I would consider honoring them. It describes a Pet just as well.
 
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