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Loyalty or No SV you Are the Daedra

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[X] "Master, Please step back and allow me to handle this. If handled with delicacy, this situation could yet be made to serve your interests more fully."
-[X] Approach the two, and gently but firmly lay a hand on the Necromantress's shoulder, keeping your manner as comforting as one can be with a sword in easy reach.
-[X] ask"What is your name, girl?"
--[X] "Well <her name, if she gives it, otherwise necro-chan>, you seem to have fallen in with bad company. How came you to the service of the necromancers, and how deep have you gotten?"
-[X] After she answers, continue "I tell you now, there is no future in the necromancy business. In three years or so when your plans to infiltrate the mage's guild come to fruition, the necromancers will be ravaged, and Mannimarco himself unmade by a wizard who will go on to become an Archmage. Irrespective of whether you believe me on this, there is no future in necromancy for you, as I cannot countermand her if she decides to hand you over to the Mage's Guild. I offer you an alternative to a death at their hands: Forswear necromancy, and join with us in our quest, and we will in turn keep your past a secret, and shield you from its repercussions."
-[X] turn to morlia, and say "one way or the other, this means one leas necromancer, and where we are going, we will need all the help we can get. Please honour this offer."
 
Morlia is not infallible, whether or not necromancy is actually illegal or not is totally separate of what she thinks she knows about it and/or what she was taught by her parents about necromancy.
 
Dark Ness said:
Threaten to turn her in

Same
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Technically true, however Necomancers are so persecuted it makes little difference in practice. If a guard had come across this fight they would have had little hesitation in attacking both sides. An openly admitted necromancer would find it difficult to get a job or house in a city and lets be honest, if an adventurer bursts into a necromancers cave and kills them all to take their loot, would anyone care?

Edit: Ninja'd by my fellow Gm in terms of Morlia.
 
I just thought of something, what about something like this.


[] "are you mad! you would throw away your greatest chance to destroy the brotherhood! I know of a powerful ritual that would allow safe travel to the Soul Cairn, Sithis' home Plane. there, I could strike at him directly, summon armies of order daedra to conquer hell in you name! but, in order to preform the ritual, you need the help of a powerful, and more importantly, trustworthy necromancer. without that, you'd probably get your soul turned inside out. you don't want an inside out soul, do you?"
 
Cjdavis103 said:
Because besides for the fact that we can't kill her we seem to be able to do pretty much anything else. Even indirectly almost killing her via tree.
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Eh, being able to kill our summoner is pretty much *the* main feature of being unbound. By definition, we are bound. Its just that she's a shitty summoner and we are more more independant than a normal Knight of Order, so we dont feel the limits as we otherwise would.
 
Attacking the Void and every single Dark Brotherhood Member and Victim... Yeah, that will work out perfectly.
 
AbZHz101 said:
Attacking the Void and every single Dark Brotherhood Member and Victim... Yeah, that will work out perfectly.
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the idea wouldn't be to attack the void now, but to convince Morlia that it can be done but only with the help of a friendly necromancy.

it would take years for Necro-chan to get to a level of mastery that she could set up the portal, during which time, she and Morlia are forced to interact with each other and come to realize that, prejudice aside, the other isn't that bad.

Yonatan said:
Eh, being able to kill our summoner is pretty much *the* main feature of being unbound. By definition, we are bound. Its just that she's a shitty summoner and we are more more independant than a normal Knight of Order, so we dont feel the limits as we otherwise would.
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I thought the main point of being bound was that you can't do anything against the summoner's wishes, whereas we can tell her to screw off while we go chop down a tree...
 
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Verminlord1 said:
Morlia can cast the basic Detect life spell, but that would show any form of life/unlife, including zombies and vampires.
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Ah then slight change of plans.
[X] Before anything else ask Morlia to cast Detect Life
-[X] Make sure she is behind you while doing this.
--[X] If she is not a vampire then try to persuade her to let go of this issue, one does not simply enter a city with a mad daedra in tow.*
---[X] If she is a vampire tell her to scram or kill her depending on how she react.

*unless you are a specific group of cultist intent of destroying the world or an adventurer.
 
[x] "Morlia, think about the benefits of having a necromancer on our side. No one would even know unless she actually used necromancy. And it's not like Necromancy is actually illegal anyway."
-[x] "She's also just a kid. If you really don't want a necromancer, then it is not too late to set her on a better path in life."
--[x] "Plus, while I am a super awesome Daedra, I'm sure you want someone who you can have girl talk with. Am I right?"
---[x] "Summoning Daedra isn't exactly a respectable citizen would do. Especially with an unknown ritual for an unknown daedra you might not have been able to bind or put down."

Necromancy isn't actually illegal and in some cases is looked on at least neutrally.

Ironically, when Trebonius started persecuting necromancers during Oblivion, he was in the wrong. Buying and selling of corpses specifically for the practice of Necromancy was officially legal in Cyrodil and On Necromancy covers how to be an ethical necromancer and was written centuries ago. The only reason he could get away with it is because the general populace abhors the practice and the ongoing weakness of the Empire.
 
WanderingEye said:
Ah then slight change of plans.
[X] Before anything else ask Morlia to cast Detect Life
-[X] Make sure she is behind you while doing this.
--[X] If she is not a vampire then try to persuade her to let go of this issue, one does not simply enter a city with a mad daedra in tow.*
---[X] If she is a vampire tell her to scram or kill her depending on how she react.

*unless you are a specific group of cultist intent of destroying the world or an adventurer.
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Detect life can't tell the difference between human/vampire or other undead.
 
Verminlord1 said:
Detect life can't tell the difference between human/vampire or other undead.
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I guess I shouldn't make plans when sleepy.
night.
[x] "Morlia, think about the benefits of having a necromancer on our side. No one would even know unless she actually used necromancy. And it's not like Necromancy is actually illegal anyway."
-[x] "She's also just a kid. If you really don't want a necromancer, then it is not too late to set her on a better path in life."
--[x] "Plus, while I am a super awesome Daedra, I'm sure you want someone who you can have girl talk with. Am I right?"
---[x] "Summoning Daedra isn't exactly a respectable citizen would do. Especially with an unknown ritual for an unknown daedra you might not have been able to bind or put down."
 
[X] Is this some sort of suicide urge by proxy? Because necromancy is pretty inoffensive, but I can see how you'd find a young woman who has just lost a loved one hard to deal with.
-[X] Also, necromancy's not actually illegal. Like Daedra summoning. Anything the guild does to her, they can just as easily do to you. And in your case, they'd actually have justification.
 
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silentspirals said:
[X] Is this some sort of suicide urge by proxy? Because necromancy is pretty inoffensive, but I can see how you'd find a young woman who has just lost a loved one hard to deal with.
-[X] Also, necromancy's not actually illegal. Like Daedra summoning. Anything the guild does to her, they can just as easily do to you. And in your case, they'd actually have justification.
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Daedra summoning is not illegal. The guild has also not banned it like necromancy.
 
Verminlord1 said:
Daedra summoning is not illegal. The guild has also not banned it like necromancy.
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Yeah, at this time the entire school of Conjuration is simply disliked by people in general, with only Necromancy being outlawed in the Mages Guild itself. IIRC there's a mage in one of the guild halls in Oblivion that comments on it that he only does'nt practice Conjuration out of preference, rather than legality.

legaly, necromancers are fully within their rights to practice their craft as long as they don go on to create their own bodies or something similar.
 
Verminlord1 said:
Daedra summoning is not illegal. The guild has also not banned it like necromancy.
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there's a daedric quest, can't remember which one, where a guild-mage got her hands on a cursed staff of scamps. the scamps didn't do anything other than loiter around and eat things, but if she was found out, she would been put in prison and her guild privileges revoked.
 
[x] tell them that you are:
-[x] " the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. You're a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight."
 
silentspirals said:
My interpretation of the discussion so far is that necromancy is not actually illegal and so any penalty the guild enacts upon its practitioners is illegal. If they're getting away with it for necromancers, why not for other people who won't be missed?
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I will sum things up here.
Necromancy is not technically illegal
The guild has banned it however, they will not associate, help or share any of their resources with necromancers. They can also never join the guild.

Peoples views on necromancers in general are poor. The common folk generally consider them evil and might (mistakenly) think it was illegal.

Many necromancers do perform illegal activities, such as killing people for zombies. Adventurers can generally get away with killing necromancers they find in the wilds, since they were probably up to no good.

The guild does not actively hunt down necromancers and kill them, however our summoner might not know that.
 
Xyzarach said:
there's a daedric quest, can't remember which one, where a guild-mage got her hands on a cursed staff of scamps. the scamps didn't do anything other than loiter around and eat things, but if she was found out, she would been put in prison and her guild privileges revoked.
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She was simply embarrassed. There would be no prison time for it.
 
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